2007-12-22, 15:06 | Link #101 |
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Hate to brng this back from the dead, but the new OVA seems to completely change the ending that we've been dealing with for a long time. To the Haruka fans, looks like you'll be happy.
For the rest, you'll probably feel cheated like I did.
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2007-12-23, 23:18 | Link #102 |
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i had closure and the ending was spectacular.......this 'next season' is lookiing bit scary...but its impossible for me not to watch since i'm a KgNE fan
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2007-12-31, 15:03 | Link #104 | |
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"Mitsuki had behaved as best as she could have as a friend"? How? By stripping naked to your bestfriend's guy and throwing yourself to him when your bestfriend is still alive albeit comatose? In medical years, one year is not that long...and in most accident cases, the victim will recover fully. But that is not the point here. The fact remains that Mitsuki f*cked with her bestfriend's boyfriend - how is that acceptable or even reasonable at all? A betrayal is a betrayal no matter what the circumstances is. For that reason, it is unforgivable. I admire Haruka's courage and resolution to bid farewell to those that betrayed her and to move on. By the way, Mitsuki so deserves that slap. |
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2008-01-01, 01:29 | Link #105 | ||
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In medical terms, yes, one year is a long time, matter of fact, comatose patients that are under for 12 months are generally not expected to recover, and if they actually do are expected to obtain a level of brain damage that will inhibit their abilities and more than likely inhibit their cognitive reasoning skills. Even as it stands, there was no true betrayal as there was no malicious intent. Matter of fact, the entirety of reasoning behind Mitsuki's throwing herself at Takayuki was, in fact, selfless as it was her attempt to finally break Takayuki from the slump he was in by throwing a complete shock to his system and making him take a stand.
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What you are doing is imparting your beliefs onto people and, well sweetheart, that doesn't go over so well. I told you that I would easily be able to accept the circumstances and understand the point behind it, as well as I told you that it makes absolutely perfect sense as to why the events took place in KimiNozo. Haruka didn't totally subject herself to cutting off from Takayuki or Mitsuki, if you actually watched the ending you might have caught on to this, but apparently it flew far above your reach. Haruka gave Takayuki the farewell because of exactly what she said, that Takayuki is not the same man from three years ago and that he has grown up. Haruka told him goodbye for the simple fact that she understands that 3 years is a long time, especially considering the circumstances, and that things are inevitably going to change. To this end, it shows Haruka's acceptance of maturity and changes. Quote:
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2008-01-02, 23:00 | Link #108 |
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I myself did not like how Takayuki ended up with Mitsuki, but I've long accepted it.
What it comes down to for me is that I do not condone the behaviour but accept reason for it. I certainly feel Shiori's sentiments, but sadly many of the idealistic plots like a girl waiting for the one she loves for 5-10 years just doesn't happen in real life and it's the same reversed as well.. I was quite angry that Takayuki ended up with Mitsuki but long learned to accept the situation as a rough simulation (albeit a tad over-dramatised) of real life. This selfishness of ours derives from the very core theory of natural selection, the very fact that altruism rarely exists and never exists completely without a trace of selfishness.. We choose to love someone, but we also want the love of the person in return, one donates to charity to feel a sense of accomplishment. It's just that some selfishness are better then others. I dislike how the ending turned out, but I learn to accept the realities of love and loss. You can't expect people to wait forever, Takayuki as well as Mitsuki both needed to feel loved and their one act of selfishness, though viewed as moralistically wrong, I still accept that they needed each other. It was merely bad luck in terms of fate that Haruka was hit by a car and ended in a coma, but sadly fate hardly always deals us good cards. Haruka's chance had passed and both her friends has moved on.
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2008-01-03, 09:07 | Link #109 | |
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Now, nobody is saying that Takayuki and Mitsuki get together on purpose to cheat on Haruka or taking advantage of the situation or whatever you called it. The point is they should have better sense of what is morally right. Akane is young and yet...she KNOWS what is acceptable and what is not - which makes her a great character by the way. In reality though sometimes our heart and mind comes into conflict with each other. Our heart may want something but our mind may think of the consequences first. Oftentimes our better judgement (the mind) will take precedence but it is only a matter of time before the heart will overcome the mind (our better judgement). Mitsuki knows that Haruka likes Takayuki. That much she knows. But she doesn't know how much Haruka thinks of her as a bestfriend - not when Shinji brought Haruka to meet them under Takayuki's favourite spot when Takayuki stood up Haruka - or how much Takayuki and Haruka's relationship has progressed. You can see how surprised Mitsuki was when Haruka forgives Takayuki and her when Haruka says 'because Mitsuki is my bestfriend' or how depressed Takayuki becomes at the hospital. My point is Mitsuki doesn't really want to come between them. Not intentionally of course. I truly believe that she does want both of them to be happy together even though it pains her to see someone she likes herself to be with her bestfriend - this is the decision she made with her mind (righteousness). Yet, eventually it becomes inevitable that one will succumb to the pressures of the heart. Hence, her occasional selfish actions - which is understandable. Takayuki definitely still has feelings for Haruka. Otherwise he would not have break down like he did when he saw her for the first time in the hospital. Whether it was out of love, guilt or shame who knows? Maybe it's a mixture of all. But while Takayuki showed concerns to his 'ex-girlfriend', it was disheartening that Mitsuki has hardly any feelings for her 'ex-bestfriend'. She even go so far as to request that Takayuki stops seeing her, knowing that Takayuki is essential for Haruka's recovery...but that is also understandable as someone's girlfriend - jealousy is expected. Another point that I didn't like was how callously she remarked "Haruka is not my bestfriend anymore...I betrayed her" - as simple as that. Is that how bestfriends are supposed to behave? Did she make any effort whatsoever to reconcile? Did she even apologize once for 'taking over' her bestfriend's boyfriend? I am sorry but I just didn't like Mitsuki very much even though I can understand all her actions. Maybe it is just me because I was brought up in a very conservative manner. Please let me explain the meaning of betrayal in our Asian culture. First, I don't think it is morally right to hook up with a bestfriend's lover. In our culture, we have a saying, 'A friend's lover must never be touched'. Therefore, it is a very taboo thing to be seen. It's a different matter if your lover hooks up with an unknown stranger. That is just the way we accept things, culturally and morally. Bear in mind that Haruka's family has almost regard Takayuki as a family member so for someone as close as Mitsuki to be found in bed with a 'son-in-law', it is also understandable that everybody in Haruka's family will be upset. And Takayuki and Mitsuki knows the implications of what they had done too otherwise they would not have felt guilt or shame. Using Haruka's delicate pysche was just a cheap and convenient excuse. Second, it is unimportant of when they hooked up. It is the fact that they did which is morally wrong and unacceptable. Akane was right to hate and scold them. If you really love someone you would wait forever for him/her. And you would have faith that both of you will be together no matter how many hardships you need to go through. That is love. But I guess Takayuki doesn't know what true love is. |
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i think he found out what a side of love is and that s why he was able to move on and let go of his ghost haunting him and preventing him to move forwards. There is no such thing as True Love only an idealisation made by people, eventually you will understand but this requires some experiences (in my case we learned the hardway but i wont complain) |
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2008-01-03, 11:20 | Link #112 |
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Not possible in the real world...seriously humans don't have that kind of commitment - especially for someone who still has the rest of their life to live. You can't expect him to wait in the past and not to move on with his life. This isn't about being selfish - infact, I would be more selfish of Haruka if she woke up and expected for taka to have waited for her. I'm sure someone out there would be willing enough to wait for years but the chances are one in a few million...or more. The relationship they have at the time is what I like to call: "puppy love" - If it works they could be together but the opposite also applies, an easy split up could also occur.
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2008-01-03, 12:44 | Link #113 | |
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And for all my sheltered and conservative upbringing, I do know that the world outside is harsher in reality. I am a pragmatist after all. So you do not need to give me some "reality check", Damien and nor should you 'let it out' on me about your own personal bad experiences. I don't think I should receive that from you. And that goes for the person below Damien too (ie Deathkillz). I am just too tired to retort twice. Last edited by Shiori Zuhon; 2008-01-04 at 16:06. |
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2008-01-03, 13:11 | Link #114 |
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Okay, that's enough. Stop... Shiori Zuhon, please drop this topic, as you apparently can't help but get defensive whenever your personal beliefs are questioned by others. You can't just state your opinion, no matter how biased, naive, or ignorant, and expect everyone to respect that opinion without question. That's even more wishful than the opinion itself. Anyway, enough. Thank you...
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2008-01-04, 12:20 | Link #116 | |
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Chill shiori chill...from what I read I have to say that you are the one who started the ball rolling here...
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2008-01-04, 12:29 | Link #117 | |
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Haruka was in a coma for over a year and no one know if she would wake form it. It was time to move on and they did. Even Haruka's parent told him that he needed to move. To the point of banning him form the hospital.
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2008-01-04, 16:09 | Link #118 | |
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2008-01-05, 10:27 | Link #119 | |
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It's an alternate version of the story, not a replacement. |
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