(L) Scrapped Princess

[FateAnomaly]

I always thought that it is because humanity posed a threat to themselves and other races and thats why they were attacked. Humans would probably destroy themselves with their WMDs. The aliens never wanted to exterminate humans and whats her name girl realised that and thats why she defected.

[yezhanquan]

I think whatever the outcome, it's a path which was walked down with eyes open. Experience is vital for knowledge. So, what are the aliens to dictate what we can or cannot do?

[chaos_animagic]

Humans would probably destroy themselves with their WMDs.

But Humans didn't have those before the Aliens come...

Humans develops the Dragons, Gias (can't spell), and the Valkyries (the Peacemakers that betrayed the creaters)... Dragons and Gias needed a Human Pilot, while Valkyries are powered by AI...

The Aliens took over the AI because Mauser gave them the information to do it...

If the aliens didn't come and attack, there would have been no need to develop those super powerful weapons...

[Saber Cherry]

Spoiler for The ending:

My impression was that the girl did not really betray humans selfishly. I could be wrong, and it's been a while, but I thought she stated that the peacemakers were insufficient to win the war. As a clairvoyant, she knew that humanity was going to be destroyed on the present path, and thus acted secretly to secure a plea-bargain that would at least keep the species alive.

As for who attacked whom, I don't remember if that was made clear. But sometimes, when warlike and paranoid cultures meet, war just happens. It's easier to negotiate from a position of complete control.

And also, Zephy should be in SaiMoe.

[FateAnomaly]

Originally Posted by chaos_animagic

But Humans didn't have those before the Aliens come...

Humans develops the Dragons, Gias (can't spell), and the Valkyries (the Peacemakers that betrayed the creaters)... Dragons and Gias needed a Human Pilot, while Valkyries are powered by AI...

The Aliens took over the AI because Mauser gave them the information to do it...

If the aliens didn't come and attack, there would have been no need to develop those super powerful weapons...

Not really. If they could , they would develop it irregardless whether they need it or not. Thats how it is in the real world. Weapons development is always in progress without stopping.

[chaos_animagic]

Originally Posted by FateAnomaly

Not really. If they could , they would develop it irregardless whether they need it or not. Thats how it is in the real world. Weapons development is always in progress without stopping.

Yea... they could develop it... but the point is... the Aliens are the ones that drove them to develop it in the first place...

If the Aliens wasn't there, maybe the weapons won't have been developed for many more years... (kinda like the "space race" where Russia send the first Rocket into space... than the US followed... than the other countries sees this and started developing their own rockets...)



BTW... I also noticed something...

If the Aliens is saying Humans are precious...
Than why did the Aliens program the Peacemakers to have a function to eliminate 90% of mankind for a reset?
As far as I know... if you think something is precious... you wouldn't destroy it...
Unless you're EMO or INSANE or just plain crazy...

So... basically the Aliens WANTS to take control of Human lives and don't let them have any freedom... which is what the "mauser faith/ church" is for... making people believe in whatever the Aliens wants them to think... no free will or thoughts... cause you're basically being controlled by the teachings from others that's hiding the truth from you. (kinda like todays religions... some of them are just plain crazy...)

[FateAnomaly]

So the aliens should be stupid enough to allow humans to fully develop their weapons before attacking them.

The aliens don't really want to control humans as much as they want to keep humans under control. All of them left after the threat was eliminated. The aliens left a human in charge afterall.

[chaos_animagic]

The aliens don't really want to control humans as much as they want to keep humans under control. All of them left after the threat was eliminated. The aliens left a human in charge afterall.

Tho... the funny thing is...

Spoiler for may contain ending spoilers:

The Aliens were the first ones to attack the Humans...
We don't even know if the Humans was going to attack the Aliens... for all we know, the Humans may have wanted peace with the Aliens...

What Human in charge? Mauser isn't a Human anymore... she's already dead and is a ghost living inside the computer in that sealed world... (how did you think she only appears after Pacifica died? and was talking to the dead Pacifica?...)
The ones in charge is the Peacemakers... they're the ones directing the Humans to follow the mauser faith...

Also, how would you have felt if the Aliens attacked us in RL with no reason what so ever?...
I would be super pissed and retaliate back...

[FateAnomaly]

Its still her consciousness in there. She isn't any different than when she was alive.

Of course, it is normal to be pissed off when you get attack. But it like the aliens are farmers and see the humans as wolves that threaten them. We humans do the same thing all the time.

[klare]

a very good series, the ending is a bit unexpected

noticed it looks weird when the characters walking, especially walking further away from the camera

Spoiler for some memorable sad scenes:

- when they introduce a new char to become very close to Pacifica but make him die soon, and she could not remember him
- when Pacifica met her mother in the prison but did not know who she is

even the plots and the truth have been revealed, i feel this is a series that is worth to rewatch

[Mistypearl]

After watching Scrapped Princess for the first time I really liked it, one of my firsts, but it was too sad for me at some parts haha. But I think I'm about ready to rewatch it. So when I was waiting for my mom in Big Lots and saw that they actually had vol. 1 and 6 of it, I ended up getting that and 2,3,4,5 on amazon. yay Good series with sci-fi and fantasy twists.

[Intranetusa]

I still don't understand the ending...

Wouldn't the aliens just come back to reseal mankind?

What was the point of Celia-Mauser keeping mankind in a cage? - her main goal was to protect her siblings and her siblings were killed anyways, you'd think she'd rethink her offer with the aliens to betray mankind...

If she was willing to trap mankind in the cage for 5000 years, why did she so easily release mankind just because the scrapped princess told her to? She didn't realize that humans don't like living in a cage until the princess comes along and tells it to her face?

[Intranetusa]

This series was kinda insane...this was like a combination of Utawarerumono and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann...

All of these fantasy-turns-into-scifi animes are crazy as hell...

[kk2extreme]

Originally Posted by Intranetusa

I still don't understand the ending...

Wouldn't the aliens just come back to reseal mankind?

first question: an excuse for sequeal , probably not

[Intranetusa]

Originally Posted by kk2extreme

first question: an excuse for sequeal , probably not

lol, the end of the series is basically like Gurren Lagann except they haven't defeated the anti-spirals yet...

Spoiler for gurren lagann:

They've defeated the local overlords:
peacemakers/celenia in ScrapPrin- Lord Genome in GurLag
But haven't defeated their overall overlord opressors:
aliens in SP- anti-spirals in GL

I don't think they have enough material for a sequel... was this based on a manga?

[Saber Cherry]

Originally Posted by Intranetusa

I don't think they have enough material for a sequel... was this based on a manga?

No, short novels.

[FateAnomaly]

Originally Posted by Intranetusa

I still don't understand the ending...

Wouldn't the aliens just come back to reseal mankind?

What was the point of Celia-Mauser keeping mankind in a cage? - her main goal was to protect her siblings and her siblings were killed anyways, you'd think she'd rethink her offer with the aliens to betray mankind...

If she was willing to trap mankind in the cage for 5000 years, why did she so easily release mankind just because the scrapped princess told her to? She didn't realize that humans don't like living in a cage until the princess comes along and tells it to her face?

I may not be entire right, this is just my interpretation.
She is trying to protect mankind from themselves as she is convinced that mankind is on a path to self destruction. After such a long time of sealing mankind, she had doubts about her decision but at the same time she is unable or unwilling to change the situation. So when the time comes for the final decision. she let Pacifica make the decision instead.
As for the aliens, it would not be a few thousands years later that mankind will become a problem again anyway. Maybe they will go down a different path.

[Angrypokstick]

The novel is finished and have a slightly different ending. I personally liked the novel ending better even if its a little too much Deus ex machina for my taste. Other than the last volume of the novel the anime stayed mostly true to the novels. you can read the spoilers for the novel ending down below if you want.

Spoiler for HUGE novel spoilers ahead....:

In the last volume of the novel, out of nowhere they introduce Mauser's insurance plan and her last gift to mankind- A full blown space battle cruiser that's been missing in space for 5000 years with 5 dragoon knights aboard as a large part of a Xanatos Gambit. I won't bother explaining the details of how and why they got there but needless to say their arrival made the last battle with the peace makers a curb stomp. And now earth is in peace Pacifica is a princess again her brother rules the kingdom. Shannon is the Head Knight of the kingdom and Zephiris is still his dragoon but has choose to change her appearance to that of a 20year old- she is now also worshiped among the general populace as the guardian goddess of their country(and an idol figure among the knights due to her beauty and grace/cuteness) .In Fact all the dragons are now being revered when once they were called demons by the church. In general they are trying to unite all the countries in the known earth and with their new found allies they are scouring the earth for relic of their past civilizations for technologies to recover and also the recoveries of lost and damaged dragoons to be repaired(Natalie and gloria(that giant frog), and a couple other damaged and offline dragons are being brought back to life, though it will be many years before they are 100%).

All in all things are looking very well for the new humanity. Also Cin survived Yay! she remains in the form of a little girl and hangs around Pacifica and Shannon alot. So yeah things looks pretty good in the novel ending.

[Intranetusa]

Originally Posted by Angrypokstick

The novel is finished and have a slightly different ending. I personally liked the novel ending better even if its a little too much Deus ex machina for my taste. Other than the last volume of the novel the anime stayed mostly true to the novels. you can read the spoilers for the novel ending down below if you want.

Spoiler for HUGE novel spoilers ahead....:

In the last volume of the novel, out of nowhere they introduce Mauser's insurance plan and her last gift to mankind- A full blown space battle cruiser that's been missing in space for 5000 years with 5 dragoon knights aboard as a large part of a Xanatos Gambit. I won't bother explaining the details of how and why they got there but needless to say their arrival made the last battle with the peace makers a curb stomp. And now earth is in peace Pacifica is a princess again her brother rules the kingdom. Shannon is the Head Knight of the kingdom and Zephiris is still his dragoon but has choose to change her appearance to that of a 20year old- she is now also worshiped among the general populace as the guardian goddess of their country(and an idol figure among the knights due to her beauty and grace/cuteness) .In Fact all the dragons are now being revered when once they were called demons by the church. In general they are trying to unite all the countries in the known earth and with their new found allies they are scouring the earth for relic of their past civilizations for technologies to recover and also the recoveries of lost and damaged dragoons to be repaired(Natalie and gloria(that giant frog), and a couple other damaged and offline dragons are being brought back to life, though it will be many years before they are 100%).

All in all things are looking very well for the new humanity. Also Cin survived Yay! she remains in the form of a little girl and hangs around Pacifica and Shannon alot. So yeah things looks pretty good in the novel ending.

Wha!?!? Is the ending of the novels way better than the ending of the anime then?...

Did the anime outpace the novels or something? If not, I don't understand why they'd change the ending....

Well, I guess it ain't as different as the Eureka 7 anime vs the manga...that situation was the manga writers deciding to screw with the anime fans or something.

[synaesthetic]

The novel ending is too much of an Ass Pull combined with some heaping helping of Deus Ex Machina; I liked the anime ending better.

Cin being alive again really bothers me; I prefer dead characters to stay dead. Bringing them back just ruins any emotional impact their "death" once held.

Originally Posted by Intranetusa

Did the anime outpace the novels or something? If not, I don't understand why they'd change the ending....

Yes; the novel series wasn't finished when the TV series concluded.