2012-02-24, 14:51 | Link #1761 | |
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And what peeves me more is that it really shouldn't matter what Bioware does to ease in new players to older players because older fans already have the advantage. Newer players who want to level the field but can't get the older games will have to work harder. Is there something inherently wrong in this? Because I see complaints in other forums about Bioware's attempts to give new players a fighting chance, when it should be moot to older players.
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2012-02-24, 14:58 | Link #1762 |
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The issue isn't about playing ME1 or ME2.
The issue at hand is that this character is big as he's again related to one of the main reasons why the Reapers have failed to wipe out the galaxy as they have before. I mean he himself should be part of the key to defeating the Reapers or finding their weakness. So in other words it's apalling that Bioware didn't even include him in the main storyline if he's irrelevant. Yes the race has been wiped out but they still contributed to the story in ME1 and ME2. |
2012-02-24, 15:12 | Link #1763 |
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I wasn't arguing about the DLC character. I was arguing the insinuation that ME1 and ME2 would be a requirement for context, when people who can't or haven't played the game have other options to gain said context.
As for the DLC character, I won't comment on it since I need to play his part the game to see just how much got cut for him.
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2012-02-24, 15:20 | Link #1764 |
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This is a tough question. I think you can get the basic context of the ME universe without playing ME1 or ME2 even. Protheans on the other hand are a little harder to derive context from without Mass Effect 1 in my opinion. That is not to say one cannot understand without playing ME1, but there was simply a lot of information and experiences, both large and small, about the Protheans in ME1 that I do not think could be derived from ME2 or even ME3.
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2012-02-24, 15:36 | Link #1766 | |||
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I really don't see the problem here. Quote:
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Again, imagine if Return of the King was designed so that you didn't have to see the first two LOTR movies. That's what this is about. |
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2012-02-24, 15:36 | Link #1767 | |
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I only played ME2 and not ME1 as I'm not that interested in older games actually. However though a lot of the things happening was because of the Protheans.
IMO it's in the company's best interests to get more people (newer ones who buy MASS effect 3 ) to buy ME2 and ME1 later on if they want to get the rest of the story. Quote:
So in other words he knows jack about what's going on which like I said is a huge insult to the race that he wouldn't be able to give a last hurrah by hurling the final blow to the Reapers for the crimes they've committed. And something that bugs me. How is it that a separate company can create this "Squad member" and expect him to interact with the rest of the team? The reason why Deus Ex Human Revolutions' bosses were so bad was because the company doing it weren't aware of what the actual game was about so there was some disconnect there. |
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2012-02-24, 15:42 | Link #1768 | |
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2012-02-24, 15:44 | Link #1770 |
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DLC argument in the thread? Honestly, the point is moot since this game will still sell millions regardless, and the people who really care about it will buy it in the end, because the value of the property to us is worth more than the price of entry.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertco...-damn-fault-2/ ^This guy sums up my thoughts nicely. DLCs are here to stay and they definitely won't go away. What you want to do is up to yourself as a consumer. If you think it's against your consumer rights, by all mean, boycott. But don't expect an significant change anytime soon. The people complaining are only vocal minority at this point, and EA is looking at the masses to sell the game, not them. Harsh, but that's what a business is like. |
2012-02-24, 16:50 | Link #1771 |
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we didn't say it wasn't here to stay, it's been established that DLC will be standard for some time now given how many people are willing to pay for repacked map packs.
what I'm saying is that making this character pay for isn't ethically consistent with there past behavior and it'll only get worse with bigger money grabs all the time unless some moneytary protest is held. What people have been saying essentially reiterates my point in that the developer cares more about some extra cash for shareholders then they do about long time fans.
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2012-02-24, 17:19 | Link #1772 | |
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As for quality of narrative, would you prefer Bioware choose old players over new players or the other way around? I'd assume you're speaking as an old player, but put yourself in the shoes of a new one. From what I see Bioware is trying to find the middle ground because they know new players will be coming. It's only when the game comes out can we see if their gamble pays off. It's pointless from a business standpoint for them to flip off potential new customers. Consider that they tried it somehow with ME2, and not you didn't hear the internet rage everywhere. Why start now?
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2012-02-24, 17:23 | Link #1773 | |
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Too bad things are going down this road. Companies will keep pushing things and really stop caring what their reputation might be. On the positive so many good games have already come out. Can just say "screw it" to the new stuff and just play what's already owned and free . To be fair this is still kind of dancing around the question. Time constraints doesn't really explain starting in the middle of a saga. If you say you want to see the end sooner then that's one reason to start in the middle. The key question is why people would sacrifice most of the story just to see the end. It's like opening a book, reading the last chapter, and then being done. Plenty aren't going to get why someone would bother.
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2012-02-24, 17:45 | Link #1774 |
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I'm pretty sure I already said that starting in the middle of the saga is something by circumstance and not by choice. Not everyone was there when the story began, and not everyone can start from the starting line. Some have to begin in the middle of the war. Have to, not want to.
Not everyone has the option others have. If your current circumstance force you to start midway and supplement yourself with outside information, and you're willing to accept that, then so be it. The situation isn't the same for everyone and you can't very well insist that on "doing this" or "doing that" in order to get with the program like someone who's been there from day 1. I wouldn't want to exclude people from the experience just because they couldn't be there like we were, and in fact I too was never there from day 1 to begin with. I caught up with everyone else, and some won't be able to do it like I was. Honestly people need to wrap their head around the fact that there will always be people who will end up jumping midway for one reason or another, and this isn't an excuse to exclude them from some way of easing them in. Gaming is supposed to be fun for all and not some exclusive club dividing "teh elitez" from "teh n00bs".
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2012-02-24, 17:57 | Link #1775 |
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Haha oh man this is priceless XD
http://awkwardzombie.com/ who else agree's about this? XD I'm starting to think she was put in this game as a chance for mary sue haters to have a little fun.
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2012-02-24, 20:17 | Link #1776 | |
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I just don't get why we must have this same debate when the points are stated so many times before already, same with the Origin/DRM one. Case in point, if you were following BF3, you would remember the HUGE outcry over Origin and what basically amounted to unlocked guns which were presumed to have an edge over the competition but turned out to be pretty damn useless in the end. |
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2012-02-24, 22:04 | Link #1777 | ||
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*comes back* ... ok, so is it wrong to make fun of femshep followers even though during my several playthroughs i've never played a femshep despite having heard many times that it's the only way to go voice acting wise? Quote:
What you're describing, DLC not vanishing anytime soon, may be right but point is you basically told people to shut up about it just because there is no change to be made. This is a forum so gimme a break... Last edited by Waven; 2012-02-24 at 22:16. |
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2012-02-24, 22:32 | Link #1778 |
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I understand what you are saying com_gwp, but at the same time I would say that this is a very new and unwelcomed step for DLC and Bioware. For the possibility that devs are taking out important characters and aspects from the gameplay and selling them as bonus is not a positive concept. Devs have sold bonus material such as armor and guns, but to take out something that seems important the gameplay experience seems to be going to far.
Worse of all is perhaps Bioware's "logic" for the change. That only old time fans would appreciate this and thus they took it out of the game only to be resold for $10. How can they say who are long time fans and that only long time fans would appreciate this specific DLC? Then they say it was done by a completely different team and development cycle, but the leaked beta shows that statement to be untrue. |
2012-02-25, 01:16 | Link #1779 |
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IGN has a review in progress up. http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1219416p1.html
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2012-02-25, 02:20 | Link #1780 |
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No more mining for minerals it seems, which is nice. Also, I love the new Mass Relay animation, much better than in ME2 and even in ME1. Finally, I am wondering what happens if Reapers do catch you on the Galaxy Map. ***** On the issue of "From Ashes", I'm going to abstain from having a definitive opinion on it, since I don't know the degree of importance it has on the actual storyline. As long as I can get the Golden Ending for Mass Effect 3 without it, there won't be any complaints from me.
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