2010-06-25, 20:47 | Link #7961 |
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You're not going to fight an insurgency from the air unless you're actually willing to flat out kill everyone you see moving. Chemical weapons would probably be convenient for that strategy as well. Of course we could never get away with using such tactics.
The problem right now in my eye's, is that people seem to only understand two strategies here. Psychopathic and indiscriminate bombing of everything in a phallic display of our cock size. Or naively wimpy idea that by just treating the random Afghani villagers nicely they'll help us beat the Taliban. The first strategy really only works if you're willing to deliberately wipe out a significant fraction of the population. Ignoring the moral implications of doing this, it's not viable due how easily information is transmitted in the modern era. The second doesn't work because no matter how nicely I treat someone, I'm pretty damn naive to think that will be enough to get them to not cooperate with the thugs with guns who show up when I'm not there. All successful COINOP's have had controlling the population which the Guerrilla's hide in as a key factor to their success. Not bombing them from a distance. Not walking in, building a road, kissing some babies and leaving. But actually maintaining an active presence amongst the civilians. |
2010-06-25, 22:07 | Link #7962 | |
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So basically police or any other type of law enforcement party can do anything and get away with it...and if you try and stop them from doing their job the wrong way you can get in trouble as well. What is this world coming to.
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2010-06-25, 22:45 | Link #7963 | |
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The thing is that when near a civil enforcer, don't : 1. Act suspiciously 2. Commit a crime The police have been trained to handle their cases well, and their bottomline job is to enforce justice, not to deal with media moguls hot for news. It is the same over here. There's nothing wrong with this.
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2010-06-25, 22:45 | Link #7964 | |
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2010-06-25, 22:47 | Link #7965 | |
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So if we put our emotions away and take a look at this statement, it is wholly and logically right isn't it?
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2010-06-25, 22:54 | Link #7966 | |
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I think Thomas Friedman made a comment which best summed up my approach to the Afghan situation: the Afghans themselves must want to change, to go beyond the tribal system and other traditions. Granted, he was talking about the Mid-East situation, but taking ownership of the problem: that is a key, I believe.
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2010-06-25, 23:12 | Link #7967 | |
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The only one last time they came together was during the Soviet-Afghan war of 1979-1989. And that was like 20 years ago.
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2010-06-25, 23:12 | Link #7968 | |
Sensei, aishite imasu
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This policy is bassically designed to intimidate people from embarrassing the justice system with threats of punitive criminal charges. |
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2010-06-25, 23:16 | Link #7969 | |
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Then again, it would depend if the system is working effectively or not. Currently too much power is in the hands of the civilians if you ask me : they seemingly like to abuse their ability of putting the judicial system in embarrassment so they can get away scot-free or benefit from their offences, not just crimes. The "sue the naked man in his home" case a few months ago is a good example of how screwed up the system is and lopsided to the civilians rather than the police.
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2010-06-25, 23:28 | Link #7970 | |
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2010-06-26, 00:19 | Link #7971 | |
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Why in the world would the police be afraid to be filmed for doing their jobs correctly? How is this screwing up the officer's ability to do their job? They are public citizens just as much as we are. We actually pay their darn salaries. And no the media isn't always going to take the public's side no matter how an officer acts. Did you not hear the media buzz surrounding the police officer punching a 17 year girl in Seattle about a week ago? About 90% of everyone has defended the policeman's actions. And you can obviously see why. People aren't as dumb as you're making them out to be as far as this matter is concerned.
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2010-06-26, 01:13 | Link #7973 | |
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2010-06-26, 06:20 | Link #7974 | ||
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One thing to take note of is something called Internal Security : there are some things which the police CANNOT touch are gray areas such as people stoking civil unrest and political espionage. I can give a few examples where the asses can get away scot-free if not for the "detention without trial" in the Internal Security Act - an opposing party politician acting like an idiot during general elections attempting to stoke unrest against the ruling part, and another guy is the infamous Mas Selamat Kastari. If one guy is just going to film a policeman putting two rounds into a man trying to draw a knife where ONLY the latter can see from that angle, how is the public going to feel after the video is posted online? Keep in mind that not everyone attempts to see from all perspectives, we perceive things from either what is presented to us, or as we deem fit. Combined with the fact that majority opinion wins and that certain political parties will use such public cases to further their personal goals, things can turn awry, especially where politicians really play cut-throat games (see Sarah Palin and her supporters for details). Contrary to their job scopes, policemen are supposed to enforce law and order as to discretion, not to become pawns for politicians or personal bodyguards for the citizen. Another thing : you don't pay the policeman's salary. You pay the country for allowing you to live on their land (it is called a tax). The policeman is a return on your "investment", similar to your employment, fair salary, life/financial prospects, etc. Although the contract between you and your country is defined as mutual loyalty, you always have the choice to go elsewhere you feel the grass is greener : this is called emigration. Look everywhere else in the world : each place you live in have their pros and cons. Quote:
1. Never talk to a policeman. You are always guilty before proven innocent. 2. Answer ONLY the question and nothing else. 3. The police officer is not an interrogator from the OpFor in a war. NO stunts or resistance please.
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2010-06-26, 06:44 | Link #7975 | |
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2010-06-26, 07:05 | Link #7976 | |
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I pressume SaintessHeart rather likes to live in a dictatorship than in an democracy. In that case a military lower ranked profession might suit him too... since he only needs to obey orders, doesn't need to deicde things for his own, and accepts everything without questioning. [/Sarcasm] Quote:
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2010-06-26, 08:51 | Link #7978 | |
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2010-06-26, 09:22 | Link #7979 | |
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