(L) Last Exile -Fam, The Silver Wing-

[Myssa Rei]

blaze0041 and TinyRedLeaf

Spoiler for Stuff!:

*Apparently a Guild ship picked him up in the wake of the final battle against Delphine. As for surviving the Grand Stream, he's made of iron, pure and simple.
*I'd like to think that it's still around, as Sophia has an attachment to it, due it to being Alex's last command.
*Manga spoiler for Sunadokei no Tabibito/Travelers from the Hourglass. Can't say anything about it here.
*Ditto. It's too early for anything more to be revealed about our Prester expatriates.

[pewpewpew]

I haven't seen this brought up yet, but this series is continuing the Guild tradition of naming people after animal genera: Luscinia and Alauda are both named after bird genera. Luscinia includes the nightingales, while Alauda are larks. You might mentally translate their first names as Nightingale and Skylark.

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

Personally, I'm reminded heavily of the second season of the original Battlestar Galactica, in which the colonial fleet finally reached Earth after a long exodus and decided to covertly explore and protect the planet. Whether or not the Prester immigrants face a potential conflict with Ades remains to be seen.

Tatiana, Alister and Dio seems to think that they will enter in conflict with Ades at some point or the other. Although, when you are stealing other people ships you are looking for trouble. Not sure if this include the "Prester immigrants" or not though.

Also, Tatiana and Alister seemed to believe "peace" was possible too, until they learned that Ades used an Exile as weapon. Tatiana made some strange comments here as well. Her, Dio and Alister know things we don't about what is going on. Also, I find it a bit strange that the entire crew of the Silvius is divided in combat unit, like if they expect to be boarded...

[Kanon]

Episode 6 was not exactly what I expected (I thought it'd be a bit more on the serious side) but it was enjoyable nevertheless. Good fun all around, with a good amount of plot mixed in.

I'm liking Millia more with every episode. The sheltered and arrogant princess from the first episode seems so far away now. She has a lot of guts and tons of energy. Fam has been a very positive influence on her. She still has a long way to go before she can become a competent ruler though; putting on a maid outfit to negotiate was quite a silly idea, especially when the one she was attempting to negotiate with is a woman

Originally Posted by blaze0041

Spoiler for Misc. questions and thoughts (original series spoilers):

[*]Considering the aggression of the Ades Federation, are Claus and the others from Prester in danger?[/LIST]

Logically they should only be in danger if the lands they settled on (and which seemed devoid of peole) were other people's property since Ades' goal is to reclaim the territories that were stolen by Presters. Luskiania is a bit on the extremist side however, and seems to think Presters have no right to even set foot on Earth so there is a good chance they will be in danger at some point.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Spoiler for Stuff!:

*Manga spoiler for Sunadokei no Tabibito/Travelers from the Hourglass. Can't say anything about it here.

Spoiler for the third point:

All we know is that a certain type of aircraft has appeared. Whether or not it means the Guild is around is not certain, and there are no indications in Fam thus far to suggest that Claudia engines are monopolised the way they were on Prester. So, yes, I do believe the Guild was unique to Prester, but I could yet be proven wrong.

Originally Posted by azarhal

I find it a bit strange that the entire crew of the Silvius is divided in combat unit, like if they expect to be boarded...

I don't know why that would be strange. All hands on a naval vessel are trained combatants, even today, in the real world. The "surprise", if it can be called that, is that weapons are readily at hand. In real-world navies, firearms are usually kept under lock and key in an armoury, both for safety reasons as well as command-and-control concerns (you wouldn't want to give potential mutineers easy access to weapons, would you?).

But it would appear that morale and discipline remain top notch on the Silvius as it was on the Sylvana. The same ethos of egalitarianism seems to apply as well, with no tiers to distinguish officers from the ratings. That being the case, mutiny is hardly something Tatiana would lose sleep over.

[TheKage]

Spoiler for Guild/Prester:

I think the one Prester we saw in Last Exile's first season is a specific Guild House to that specific Prester. Meaning the 4 houses we saw on that Prester were specific to that one. I'm sure there are other Guild Houses that are spread out amongst other Presters who actually did things right, which is why there are some returned people from other Presters.

I've been wondering if those Guild houses also made families with those who resided on the Presters they were in custodians of. Since I would consider the Turanian Princesses of the Prester people, but Lilliana is an Exile key and has some Guild features. Of course that implies that the Key to an Exile would be in the form of someone of Guild blood (and of course the Mysteria).

Lusciana seems to not like anyone from any of the Presters being on Earth, seeing them as people who abandoned Earth and have no right coming back to it. Especially since people have been there for awhile (though I was under the assumption that everyone left Earth?) are being driven off from their lands where newer Prester expatriates are coming in, taking resources that can't sustain everyone.

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

I don't know why that would be strange. All hands on a naval vessel are trained combatants, even today, in the real world. The "surprise", if it can be called that, is that weapons are readily at hand. In real-world navies, firearms are usually kept under lock and key in an armoury, both for safety reasons as well as command-and-control concerns (you wouldn't want to give potential mutineers easy access to weapons, would you?).

But it would appear that morale and discipline remain top notch on the Silvius as it was on the Sylvana. The same ethos of egalitarianism seems to apply as well, with no tiers to distinguish officers from the ratings. That being the case, mutiny is hardly something Tatiana would lose sleep over.

It's strange in the context of "Last Exile" and anime in general. It felt more military-like than the Silvana did. Also, Tatiana take the ship security seriously: two guards posted on the bridge, one guard watching over her quarters, everybody with his own big gun (including the "teenage" grease monkeys).

[TinyRedLeaf]

Originally Posted by azarhal

It's strange in the context of "Last Exile" and anime in general. It felt more military-like than the Silvana did. Also, Tatiana take the ship security seriously: two guards posted on the bridge, one guard watching over her quarters, everybody with his own big gun (including the "teenage" grease monkeys).

Spoiler for thoughts from the original series:

It's been a while, but I do believe the crew of Sylvana were armed just as heavily as the people on board the Silvius. There was an episode, if I recall correctly, where the ship was boarded by the Guild and everyone, including the galley crew, fought back. Claus later returned to an apparently empty vessel, with Dio commenting that it seemed like a ghost ship.

And the Sylvana was hardly a pleasure yacht. It was every bit a warship as feared on Prester as the Silvius ("the Reaper") is on Earth.

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

Spoiler for thoughts from the original series:

It's been a while, but I do believe the crew of Sylvana were armed just as heavily as the people on board the Silvius. There was an episode, if I recall correctly, where the ship was boarded by the Guild and everyone, including the galley crew, fought back. Claus later returned to an apparently empty vessel, with Dio commenting that it seemed like a ghost ship.

And the Sylvana was hardly a pleasure yacht. It was every bit a warship as feared on Prester as the Silvius ("the Reaper") is on Earth.

Spoiler for Big difference in security measures actually.:

The Silvana crew armed themselves after being boarded by the Guild, in the Silvius they take weapons before having visual of the ship that is approaching them.

[DangerMouse]

Originally Posted by djmaca

(╯°□°）╯︵ ʎɹɐʇılıW sǝp∀

The Ades has total wuss for soldiers. I mean who the hell would fall for a con so obvious?

(╯°□°）╯︵ ︵ Millia

I wonder if the cosplay was for as Millia said it was for, or she just wanted to try making Fam all buttery down there. And how did that even get there?

It was just the same dude who got conned in the first ep, I don't think we should judge the soldiers based on this guy lol. They even have a different uniform.

Originally Posted by azarhal

Spoiler for Big difference in security measures actually.:

The Silvana crew armed themselves after being boarded by the Guild, in the Silvius they take weapons before having visual of the ship that is approaching them.

Yeah, the moment they were warned a possible hostile was approaching they were at the ready. Both crews were heavily armed though. I think this is pretty fitting given Tatiana's style.

Originally Posted by azarhal

It's strange in the context of "Last Exile" and anime in general. It felt more military-like than the Silvana did. Also, Tatiana take the ship security seriously: two guards posted on the bridge, one guard watching over her quarters, everybody with his own big gun (including the "teenage" grease monkeys).

I think TinyRedLeaf is right here in that it's not all that strange especially for the Silvius/Silvana line, also given Alex and Tatiana I'm not really surprised at this somewhat subtle change in style. Also, Alex's ship was even more a solo operation than the Silvius likely is since I'd imagine this time Tatiana's operating with the full consent and support of Sophia and given Tatiana's stricter background and her experiences on the Silvana and the likely relationship of her though still solo-operating ship to Anatoray's military I'm not surprised she'd have her crew a bit more military like, I mean it's Tatiana.

[encia]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

Spoiler:

• Good questions. All that was said — in external sources — is that the Sylvana managed to catch him after he fell (highly implausible, I know, but refer to what I said about the rule of cool).
• The Sylvana is still around... but it's most likely in Prester serving as Sophia's flagship.
• As far as I can tell, the Guild was unique to Prester, although it did seem to comprise the same pointy-eared people who make up Turan's nobility. It appears that, at some unspecified time in the past, the human race had split along two lines, with the "elves" ending up as the upper class, a distinction that was preserved among the exiles of Prester.
• Your guess is as good as ours. The answer is still up in the air, literally.

Spoiler:

In relation to Dio, Sophia's name was menstioned with Turan's King. There's a good bet Sophia is in Earth.

[TheKage]

So much spoiler tag. Anyway, per current discussion

Spoiler for Silvana security:

In episode 6, Arbiter Attack, when Claus and Lavie as well as Alvis first board the Silvana we don't see the chef and cooks arm themselves yet. We only see the crews prepare to standby to repel the Guild. That means they grab the guns from the armory. We do see the cooks already armed and firing at the starfish in the next episode.

So some were armed already knowing that the Guild was sending units at the Silvana at full-speed. Don't remember when the guns were pulled out for the cooks but I know that most of the not-highly-ranked people were grabbing guns to repel the enemy boarders after the Guild was spotted.

The ghost ship thing was Dio's comment when Claus and Dio return from when they went out into the Grand Stream to hook an anchor cable into the Exile and Delphine boards Silvana. Alex had already ordered Sophia off the ship to go to the Urbanus so it was my understanding he wanted to take a shot a Delphine which is why he didn't tell the crew to arm.

[encia]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

Logically they should only be in danger if the lands they settled on (and which seemed devoid of peole) were other people's property since Ades' goal is to reclaim the territories that were stolen by Presters. Luskiania is a bit on the extremist side however, and seems to think Presters have no right to even set foot on Earth so there is a good chance they will be in danger at some point.

Turan's territory is owned by another tribe not Ades.

There are uncharted territories labels in the shown map i.e. Ades' doesn't own the planet.

[encia]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

Personally, I'm reminded heavily of the second season of the original Battlestar Galactica, in which the colonial fleet finally reached Earth after a long exodus and decided to covertly explore and protect the planet. Whether or not the Prester immigrants face a potential conflict with Ades remains to be seen.

Last Exile reminds me of the PC game Homeworld i.e. the exiles fights for thier homeworld.

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by encia

Turan's territory is owned by another tribe not Ades.

There are uncharted territories labels in the shown map i.e. Ades' doesn't own the planet.

Unfortunately, the Ades rulers think they own the planet.


I'm wondering if the show started with an upbeat mood so it could end with a dark one.

[stormwaltzing]

Spoiler for the third point:

All we know is that a certain type of aircraft has appeared. Whether or not it means the Guild is around is not certain, and there are no indications in Fam thus far to suggest that Claudia engines are monopolised the way they were on Prester. So, yes, I do believe the Guild was unique to Prester, but I could yet be proven wrong.

There had to be planning, though, for both the Presters and the Guild considering the existence of both are for one reason: leave Earth for a while, let it heal, return. So it makes sense that technology like Claudia existed beforehand, so the Presters were properly equipped to sustain itself. As for the Guild, they could very well be 'groups' set up for each Prester to keep watch over them, but how they were chosen originally (before humanity left Earth) could point to a group much like the Guild we know who oversaw everything similarly (since setting up the whole Prester/Exile thing probably did need an organization to set it all up).

(though I was under the assumption that everyone left Earth?)

Someone had to make sure it was the right time to signal the Presters to prepare for their return, and send that signal in the first place. So it's not surprising that a small enough group (one that wouldn't bother Earth like a whole human race and cause the damage it did) stayed behind to keep an eye on things.

[pewpewpew]

Originally Posted by azarhal

Unfortunately, the Ades rulers think they own the planet.

"One world, one people" indeed.

I wonder if there'll be any further role played by the Gonians, who've been given their land back by the Ades Federation. It wouldn't be surprising if they fought against any efforts to reestablish Turan.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by blaze0041

Spoiler for animation error?:

Giselle's outfit- It switches from the Ades uniform disguise to her usual pink jacket, then back to the Ades uniform...

It would be along the lines of when they are in flight, she puts on the jacket to keep herself warm, and she takes it off as not to create suspicion when she lands.

[wandering-dreamer]

When I was reading the timeline on the Last Exile wiki it sounded like a good number of people stayed behind on Earth, all the people who didn't want to go on the Prestars and there probably wasn't enough room for however many billion people were still on Earth by that point. The info on the wiki also seemed to suggest (if not outright say) that there was a guild on each Prestar whose job was to keep the Prestars in working order, which ended up working not so well for the Anatoray/Disith one.

[TheKage]

The timeline of the wiki said that the Guild would receive a signal. I assumed the signal was sent from the nanomachines that were covering the Earth to help speed the process for the Earth to heal itself. The word "evacuate" came to my mind as actually evacuating everyone. With such sophisticated technology I assumed the nanomachines helping the Earth were able to send the signal.