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View Poll Results: Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 11 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 37 | 20.67% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 47 | 26.26% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 41 | 22.91% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 27 | 15.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 18 | 10.06% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 1.68% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 1.12% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 1.12% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.12% | |
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2009-09-18, 10:54 | Link #381 |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Ryukishi actively encouraged public discussion and cooperation for Umineko much in the same way he did for Higurashi; that is, Umineko is probably something a single person will not be able to figure out alone, and the author seems to have suggested that you're going to need the input of other people to figure things out. I other words, it's something people as a whole will need to talk and share information on to unravel the mystery.
It could then be said that the story is not meant for a single mind's reading: you're going to need input from other people if you want a snowball's chance in hell of making it through. The current problem with Battler is that everything's new to him: he's playing by the witch's rules and is still being led on by her. Episode 12 (you'll want to watch it at least) has shown he's already starting to learn how to play and not make things a one-sided match. Suffice to say that even the rules of the game aren't exactly what they seem. The very nature of Umineko is the reason Animesuki's VN player community for Umineko is a tightly bunched and cooperative group of lunatics.
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2009-09-18, 11:03 | Link #382 | |
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2009-09-18, 11:58 | Link #384 |
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(sorry for being immature, but I just want to highlight this )
and also on the behalf of Beatrice, i would like to welcome Sugetsu for becoming her new furnature~ now you may kiss her shoe. (unless you want to regain the fighting spirit) personally I find it better to treat it as two genres mixed in two different layers. If you take the presentations at face value, it's a decent fantasy action thriller. However if you want to seek the culprit, you have to treat those "magic" scenes as symbolism of what truly happened. Once you stop believing in the existence of magic, then those sequences are not necessarily the truth, as they are "impossible" in this world. just my two cent's worth
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2009-09-18, 13:15 | Link #386 |
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You are actually acting like George and the rest back in the first tea party: because there isn't any immediate explanations about one's death, it "becomes" the witch doing.
However, there is no definite truth to explain everything, but the underlying assumption is: since there are so many possible explanations behind these cases, it is pretty much leaving too much room for an oversimple "magic" explanation. Kanon: as much people already figured out, there is no proof regarding "Jessica's key" authenticity. Therefore, there is no need of a Master Key for this case (and if we aren't as naive as Battler, nothing prevents us to suspect Gohda or Kumasawa). Likewise, there is no proof Kanon "really" died if Beatrice used a word play (although I'm not fan of this speculation). If we speculate the whole scene was a giant delusion by Kanon (who is overly loyal to Kinzo), it is possible to explain the fancy show. Likewise, there is nothing that settle Shannon's death either. For all intent and purpose: from a author point of view, it would be suicide and meaningless if the answer is "the witch", because it wouldn't require any thought process for the solution. Furthermore, once again, there ARE inconsistencies: First: why did the "witch" kill people despite the alibis aren't clear enough? Why didn't she show up before them? And so forth and so forth.
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2009-09-18, 14:43 | Link #388 |
Kurumada's lost child
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Well then, everything you say is correct if what the witch showed us is just a huge illusion like in the matrix, But there isn't any suggestion of an illusion on a world scale. She is able to create worlds and situations and make people die over and over, thats why she is called the infinite witch. But then again as you all have said, it is all very subjective + the possible problems of badly translated subs could make things even worse. I have never played the game nor watched any other animes made but this author, so I have no idea what to expect.
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2009-09-18, 15:13 | Link #389 | |
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(Dragging Higurashi's cosmology into it, it's entirely possible that rather than creating or resetting the entire world each time a new 'game' starts, Beatrice is just picking a new pre-existing alternate universe to mess with.) |
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2009-09-18, 15:32 | Link #390 |
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There is no such thing as a timeloop by the way, it was not like that in higurashi and it is not like that here, though an explanation on that contains higurashi spoilers. time loop is used as a simple explanation. palallel universes is closer to how it works.
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2009-09-19, 22:04 | Link #393 | |
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To sum up this entire thread, people want their memetic scenes and they want them NOW! Speaking of which Maria's faces which just look borderline retarded this episode kind of reminds me of that popular emoticon from Something Awful Forums:
Spoiler for It's eventually going to stay that way:
Hilarious. Anyway I think the characters kind of put up a better fight in this arc than the last one, but not by much. Battler it feels just gives in way to easily in that he can't bring himself to suspect any of his family members or the servants. He's going to have to eventually though if it means he's ever going to have a ghost of chance of disproving Beatrice's existence. Other than that everything is still extremely unclear with these question arcs as I felt they were in Higurashi's if not more so. I guess I'll just have to place my trust in the future answer arcs to even start to make any real world sense of what is being portrayed here in this arc as magic, goat demons and killer maids with kinky loli voices. Here's to probably seeing Battler bowing down to Beatrice (Femdom levels off the charts by the way) a few more times until some sort of factor x (seemingly Bernkastel as a helper and advisor) finally gets introduced into this to break Beatrice's own willed stalemate. Quote:
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2009-09-19, 22:45 | Link #394 |
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Join Date: Sep 2006
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Turn of the golden witch (the second arc) is supposed to be really hard in terms of denying the witch. Even if the suspect the fantasy scenes are fake, there's not much evidence to prove that. And what evidence there is, is hidden away. You really have to pay attention to detail and have faith in the series, that everything isn't as simple as it appears to be.
Many people mistakenly think it's only confusing because of the how the anime adapted it. Which isn't true at all. The VN has more information but it's hardly any clearer. It never says that there's two different battlers and it never tells what Battler is and isn't witnessing. It never says that the Meta World isn't part of Battler and Beatrice's game. Hell, it doesn't even give the alternative world a name. Bern describes Turn perfectly, A one sided game. Umineko is the type of series where you won't immediately understand what's going on. Sometimes you have to talk with others about it before you have a general understanding. The terms: Meta Battler, Meta World, Piece Battler etc are all fans terms for example. The VN didn't give you that information, it's something fans learned through interaction. |
2009-09-20, 19:20 | Link #395 |
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Oohh, I sorta take back any statements I had with censorship earlier.
The stupid faces are getting really silly and annoying. It's just getting too over the top to take seriously, and I hope they would stop competing to show who has the weirdest faces. There's some crazy shit in this episode, and no wonder why my friends were telling me this episode should be diffrent. And those scenes near the end were wtf. Pretty disturbing stuff there. *Shudders* I knew Beatrice was on the kinky end, but geez. Anyhow, the Rosa/Maria scenes during the fight were pretty cool, if not a bit short and Shannon/George were done somewhat well.. Battler, how can you make obscene jokes like that in a situation like that? And about your family member that's only a little kid? I'll give the episode a 7 for the wtfness and a few awesome scenes. I'm not really sure what's going on here as its happening really fast and the new witch may throw a screw into these things. People always want quick answers, and often times a supernatural one would fill in the gaps. But can we challenge ourselves to think a little more? That's the challenge of Umineko.
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