2006-10-26, 23:22 | Link #281 |
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As the saying goes -- don't attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance.
I don't really think Hiro ever meant to harm Shouko. In fact he probably didn't even realize he was making a unilateral decision. He thought he was HELPING her by letting her finish her dreams of completing school and not get her involved in his personal problems. The problem is that wasn't his decision to make. This is just one of those muddy relationship situations that people make mistakes and do. I'm certain that similar fallouts to this happen to people all the time. So no, I don't really hold it against him TOO much, because you really don't know how much relationship experience he had before that, and we are viewing it from outside the affects of the problem. |
2006-10-26, 23:34 | Link #282 |
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I don't completely fault Hiro for dumping Shouko. It's hard enough to keep a relationship going cross-country, let alone cross the International Date Line. While the letter could of been worded differently and should of been delivered... say, 6 months earlier, It would of been asking a lot for Hiro to say "I can't come to America because of obligations, so if this relationship is to continue, you would need to return to Japan. "
While I would of be more prompt, I would prob. do what Hiro did and end the relationship. (My dating potential prob. went down on this forum, didn't it?) |
2006-10-26, 23:47 | Link #283 | ||
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To me, it seems that Karada is magic. She seems to be able to heal them both. By the end, I expect them all to be back in their original bodies and living together like parents and child. We'll see. And our first image of Shouko, with her head cocked slightly and a smile, looking at Karada praying, was not as a cold person. There was just that little passage of depression and shock when she ended up being cold to Karada. But her real self is both warm and mature, I think. Just very, very sad. Quote:
This show continues to be so good. Ep4 was another marvel. And every episode ends with me not knowing what's going to happen next. sugoi. And I stand corrected about the city: the letter and firstian's recognizing the Hancock Tower prove it's supposed to be Boston (with a postal code resembling the west coast). I do remember a flat like that: one big room with a nice window, and the kitchen at the back. It was on the edge of Roxbury (as if I really know where that is).
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2006-10-27, 03:09 | Link #284 |
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Ep 3.
Show continues to be my favourite of the season. The plot is picking up steam now, and they're doing a fantastic job of slowly adding more and more depth to the characters. I didn't think they made the atmosphere quite as absorbing as it was in the last episode, though. A lot of those moments, where they'd just allow things to come to a complete stop for several seconds at a time, are gone. I hope they come back, though, since they do a fantastic job of just generating so much atmosphere and making things absorbing and realistically paced. This is a cut above everything else I've seen this season, though, IMO.
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2006-10-27, 03:27 | Link #285 |
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We were speaking about promoting quality, over-looked shows like this to the uninformed public. Here's my contribution, posted to my blog at Livejournal. With Synopsis and Screens. Feedback for revision and enhancement welcome.
http://cal-reflector.livejournal.com/51985.html#cutid1
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2006-10-27, 04:52 | Link #287 |
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...!!! this is great! ep 3 really brought this series to light! the storyline is beautiful and the pace of this seems slow but at the same time feels fast... it was emotional and took us through happiness to cringing heart pains... so it was revealed that karada isnt a blood relative of hiro...and that he never thought of her as a little sister...then what was he thinking? >.< the way he dumped shouko was too cruel imo...if he was going to be leaving her...then why did he kept her waiting by saying "i will be back soon?" if you are going to break up with anyone he should have gone straight to her and face to face...why didnt hiro ask shouko to come to japan? im sure if she loved him she would have agreed...
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2006-10-27, 05:35 | Link #288 |
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You're missing the picture. Hiro DID go to Japan just for the funeral at first. But then after meeting Karada, he felt so sorry for her that he decided he would stay in Japan and raise her instead. BEFORE meeting her in person at that time, he never considered her a "little sister" before then.
We can make the statement that Hiro screwed up when he treated Shouko like he did -- but from his perspective, he didn't want Shouko to give up her education and life for his sake ... suddenly deciding to raise an orphaned child of the family and all. He probably should have at least consulted her on the matter though... |
2006-10-27, 07:20 | Link #289 | ||
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2006-10-27, 07:25 | Link #290 | |
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but the way he gave shouko the cold shoulder was too cruel...they have been quite intermate together i just cannot believe that hiro didnt even think twice about leaving her for good...he must have had some sort of feelings towards her no? and even if he did make a painstaking choice to leave her he doesnt seem very enthusiastic when they met each other again...
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2006-10-27, 12:45 | Link #291 | |
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The real problem was in how he communicated all this. He waits almost an entire year to break the news to Shouko, and he does it with snail mail? WTF? I know it's the ultimate anime romance cliche, but why the heck can't these characters, you know, communicate? Hiro and Shouko were obviously in a fairly close relationship, so why can't they pick up a phone? Use the internet? Mail a letter more often than once per annum? Cripes. Now they could have just not bothered showing any of this and they were still talking, but in that case Hiro would have had to been lying to Shouko in order for the letter to have had as much impact as it did. We don't know him very well yet, but I can sooner see him not communicating than outright lying. Pretty abysmal behaviour in any case, IMO. |
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2006-10-27, 12:45 | Link #292 |
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DAMMIT! *Headwalls for STUPID MISTAKE* Thanks to those who pointed that out.
Ahem: "When we see him start to shave and comb his hair, we'll know he's on the mend." That would be a good indicator of his state of progress; and I'm coming around on my view of Hiro now; the best explanation for his mistaken actions towards Shouko probably is, as people said, ignorance and unilateral behavior. Indeed, he had to cut short his education and start working in order to sustain him and Karada's livelihood, which would make him feel inadequate towards continuing a relationship with Shouko. Still, even if we sympathize with the motivation behind him, we can agree that his execution could've used a lot more work and saved alot of heartache for everyone.
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2006-10-27, 13:21 | Link #293 | |
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To have all that put in question by her reappearance would be a real shock. That may have caused his weird behavior toward her in the anime so far. He is clearly a tormented soul, in some way and for some reason. I expect we'll learn more about his state of mind. And I'm hoping (and expecting) Karada (and Shouko) can heal him and bring him back to life.
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2006-10-27, 13:29 | Link #294 |
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Even after hearing Hiro's side of the story, it's tough not to blame him for what happened.
He could've simply picked up the phone or e-mailed Shouko and explained the situation promptly. This isn't rocket science. Stringing her along for months without any kind of communication whatsoever was nothing short of cruel. Shouko would've been upset regardless, but it's hard to imagine that she would be this antagonistic - if not downright hostile - if he had explained himself in timely fashion. She's not THAT selfish or cruel. |
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2006-10-27, 13:43 | Link #296 |
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I wasn't really planning on posting around on my new series, as in the past it usually ended with me getting upset and/or frusterated... I guess I can't help it and wanna contribute. Anyway...
After four eps I think I've picked a winner. The music and atmosphere just haven't let me down. As the first anime I've decided to TL in two years, I was really hoping it turned out good. I'm rather happy others enjoy it as well. ^_^ Ep4 TLed (for those interested in a subbed version) and eagerly awaiting ep5. ^_^ In responce to above spoiler: Spoiler:
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2006-10-27, 14:42 | Link #297 | |
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Any chance you guys will release HD versions later? Assuming there are good raws available, of course. |
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2006-10-27, 17:29 | Link #299 | |
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Off topic does anyone know what Hiros profession is? it looked he worked at a drug store pharmecy or something
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2006-10-27, 17:53 | Link #300 | |
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Hiro: ...because she's my precious little sister. Shouko: More than your promise? More than your lover? Note the order of her questions. Shouko was clearly venting her resentment here (as with her veiled putdown of Karada's ribbons), but I think what she was really getting at was "was your sister so important to you that you'd treat me like that?" |
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