2011-02-25, 11:28 | Link #141 | ||
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But what she did was also stroking Sayaka's ego. First, she gave the grief seed for sayaka to get better. When Sayaka continued to want to hate homura because of her preconceptions (Sayaka *always* either attack someone without facts or believe them too much), Homura went the other way round and decided to have sayaka be pleased about how clever she was, *while still trying to make her use the grief seed*. Even when homura "threatened" sayaka, most of what she did was fullfilling sayaka's image of her while still telling her 'use the grief seed, DAMMIT'. Quote:
In fact, if you look at the actual dialog, she was saying "if you don't use the grief seed, i'll have to kill you", which is pretty much true as Sayaka would become a witch. |
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2011-02-25, 11:38 | Link #143 |
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It probably needs to be said that Homura's overall approach, though understandable if she tried different approaches in other timelines which failed, has backfired.
By putting forward a cold exterior, by being so very cryptic, and by being rather secretive, Homura has largely failed to gain the trust of Madoka or Sayaka. The repercussons of that are seen quite clearly in Episode 8. It's hard to fault Sayaka for not trusting her.
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2011-02-25, 11:53 | Link #144 | |
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2011-02-25, 12:03 | Link #145 | |
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"If it had been Madoka [...]": To me, the scenario that Madoka is 1) closer to the GS after Sayaka defeated a witch and 2) has a reason to do it for Sayaka when she can pick it up herself, is unlikely. And it's just a if-case as well, we don't know if she had used it or not if it was from Madoka. I don't deny the possibility, but it's just not likely in my book. "I wouldn't trust Homura [...]": Of course you wouldn't, I'm not saying that is wrong. But that doesn't mean that you can simply assume things to be fact and apply it onto her without even trying to really get out info. Like I said, a simple "what are you plotting?" would have been enough, that would show she at least would have cared which might have resulted in a better understanding, even if not good. It wouldn't have hurt if you tried it the Madoka way. That's why I said, she sticks to something once she thinks of it to be the way. Sayaka distrusts Homura, understandable. Sayaka gave reasons why she couldn't trust Homura, understandable. Still, my point stands that (if it weren't for the circumstances) she should have at least tried to question her. Sayaka sees no alternatives, she doesn't consider them even if they're not likely. All I'm trying to say is, this no-option thinking is a pretty messed up flaw of her if you ask me. It doesn't help the fact that all of those thoughts were negative either. Instead of thinking "Kamijou is mine", she thinks the opposite. Instead of thinking "You might be right Madoka, let's at least >try< talk to that girl. But if it fails, it was in vain", she instantly jumps back to the worst case scenario. Same with being a zombie etc.
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2011-02-26, 16:00 | Link #146 | |
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However much I like Sayaka, I restate that she is acting stupidly. In an idealistic series, she would have thrived, but it was her bad luck to be in this one. She is self-destructing over a minor issue. |
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2011-02-27, 11:52 | Link #148 |
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Well, Madoka's dream was probably from Walpurgis night. If that's the case, Sayaka is turning into a witch before that. It's possible, if this is a gathering of witches, then Sayaka is merely one part of the entity in Madoka's dream. She could get absorbed.
And I have to post this, because it's what I feel Sayaka's issue is and how it should be handled: |
2011-02-27, 14:38 | Link #149 | |
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LOL at the video, kyoko, homura, and madoka should do that from beginning
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2011-02-27, 15:34 | Link #150 |
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Uhh, I feel like the longer this thread gets, the more similar this situation is to a Certain Scientific Anime
Of course the big question is this, who (if anyone) will save Sayaka before it's too late? Will she have a hero or will tragedy strike before the hero has a chance to appear? By the way, is the a tvtrope for Sayaka's character type? |
2011-02-27, 15:42 | Link #151 | |
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Certain Scientific Anime ? Bleach ? Hollow that devour another hollow ?
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2011-02-27, 19:51 | Link #152 |
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After a long time thinking about it I've come to the conclusion that while Sayaka's descent in to madness wasn't a god awfully bad idea it could have been a little better with some more build up.
Also Sayaka thinking that she was no longer "human" and thus no longer able to be with her crush shouldn't have been the trigger. What could have been a better trigger (if they had a few more episodes) is how over time the job as a magical girl completely cut into her social life isolating her from family and friends and most of all her crush then would have been the perfect time to drop the whole Hitomi wants him too angle. Any thoughts?
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2011-02-27, 20:21 | Link #153 | |
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Still, good thoughts.
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2011-02-28, 00:07 | Link #155 |
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Heh, I usually only do fanfiction of completed series, and it takes a series with good potential for continuation to get me interested. But who knows? Depending on how Madoka ends up, I may just end up doing an AU to get a different version up. ;p
The only other idea I had for a fic, was actually more of a short crack one-shot... |
2011-02-28, 01:18 | Link #156 | |
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I definitely want to wait until this anime is over before I even consider doing a fanfic of it though.
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2011-02-28, 03:37 | Link #159 | |
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Anyway, what single minor issue were you referring to? I saw multiple events building up through the past 4 episodes that just attack her sense of identity within a short time frame. It's true her blunt approach to things does not help with the situation, but to dismiss it as "over a minor issue" is still an understatement of the circumstances surrounding her.
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2011-02-28, 12:50 | Link #160 | |
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If Sayaka had never been told this, then she would have continued life as normal, perhaps even dating Kamijou. She never would have known that anything was different. So it's all in her head; she's driving herself insane, unable to come to grips with the fact that she is still relatively normal, and can still do everything she wanted to before. That's why it feels like a minor issue to me, approaching wangst territory. "The intended Woobie becomes a pathetically whiny character who insists on crying (often loudly and repeatedly) about a Dark And Troubled Past or event instead of, you know, trying to deal with it and stop being depressed all the time. Especially if said "trauma" doesn't come across as nearly tragic as the character thinks it is, making his lamentations seem way out of proportion." |
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