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Kitsu · 2010-01-13, 20:03

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What's wrong with Shannon's maid skirt?! I mean, a split skirt is one thing, but this one is missing a giant strip! Could Kinzo be a pedo?!

Well you know. she started working with 6.... how can Kinzo possibly not a pedo. J/K It's just fanservice you know.

Thunder Book · 2010-01-13, 21:43

This is about the novel, but if I wanted to find a completed save file for Episode 4, where would I go?

maximilianjenus · 2010-01-13, 22:29

game translation topic.

iheartcurry · 2010-01-13, 23:02

Here's a question. I've been taking Japanese for a bit now (I'm currently taking JPN 5), do you think I would be able to understand some of the Umineko novel (reading it raw?)

I realize that there are ALOT of Kanji that I wouldn't know, but is it possible? What level of Japanese would you recommend I be in in order to understand (most) of what is happening?

Near fluency? I know it's a novel, but still..... need my fix sooo badly.

bereal31 · 2010-01-13, 23:15

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Originally Posted by iheartcurry

Here's a question. I've been taking Japanese for a bit now (I'm currently taking JPN 5), do you think I would be able to understand some of the Umineko novel (reading it raw?)

I realize that there are ALOT of Kanji that I wouldn't know, but is it possible? What level of Japanese would you recommend I be in in order to understand (most) of what is happening?

Near fluency? I know it's a novel, but still..... need my fix sooo badly.

First all, there is witchhunt, which translates the novel. so you can play/read in english. look in game translation thread.

Second, I don't recommend japanese learners to read anything until they have finished Kino's Journey. Kino is simpler grammer and sentence structure. if Kino is too hard for you, then you need to work hard till you can. Make it your goal.

You can also try reading manga to improve your literacy. I recommend gintama manga as it has furigana and...it's funny...and u can kinda already figure out the meaning of a word from picture, which helps to improve your vocab.

Go ahead and try reading uminkeo if you want, what's the worst that can happen?

Thunder Book · 2010-01-17, 21:12

Is there any kind of red text that says the chains on doors can't be set outside of rooms?

Jan-Poo · 2010-01-17, 23:46

No there isn't. But you need to question Battler's POW to use such a trick.

LyricalAura · 2010-01-18, 01:32

You'd also need to question the competence of the lock manufacturer, since the entire point of a chain lock is that it can't be manipulated from the outside.

Spoiler for Episode 6:

Solachinx · 2010-01-18, 10:53

OK, I just finished watching episode 26 and I keep hearing that a bunch of vital red text was not included in the anime (I thought that there was too much blue...). What is this information that wasn't put in?

Raneh · 2010-01-18, 11:36

Basically, this is the list of all red used in the teaparty/???? meaning Battler and Beatrice's fight. I didn't root out the meaningless reds but I tried to group them.

Spoiler for Ep4 end, game reds:

Kanon is dead.
(Used by Beatrice in Tea Party, referring to the 4th game.)
Among the five people in Kyrie's group, he was the first to die.
In short, he was the 9th victim.
All of the master keys were under Rosa's control!
(This is referring to Natsuhi's closed room scenario in Episode 2.)
George did not go down the stairs of the guesthouse.
(This is referring to George's disappearance from the guesthouse in Episode 3.)
All windows and doors leading to the outside were locked from the inside.
Furthermore, it is impossible to lock any of those from outside!
All of those who met at the family conference recognized the existence of Kinzo!
(This is referring to Kinzo's appearance in Episode 4.)
No person would mistake Ushiromiya Kinzo by sight.
No matter what the disguise, they would not mistake Ushiromiya Kinzo!
Kinzo's life or death status is the same at the start of each of the 4 games.
The setup was not different for the fourth game alone...!
Kinzo is already dead at the starting time for all games!
Before now, I have proclaimed that no more than 18 humans exist on this island.
I will lower that by one for Kinzo!!
No more than 17 humans exist on this island!!
That excludes any 18th person.
In short, this 18th person X does not exist!!
This applies to all games!!!
Both were killed by another person!
(This is referring to the second twilight of Episode 1.)
It is not the case that, after the construction of the closed room, one of them committed suicide after committing murder!
Furthermore, the murder was carried out with both the victim and the perpetrator in the same room!
No method exists for the perpetrator to commit murder from outside the room!
All of the survivors have alibis!Let us include the dead as well!!
(This is referring to Kanon found in the boiler room)
In short, no kind of human or dead person on the island could have killed Kanon!
Kanon did not commit suicide
Maria, who was in the same room, did not kill them!
(This is referring to the deaths of Genji, Nanjo, and Kumasawa in Episode 1.)
And of course, the three were killed by other people!
Regarding the unidentified corpses, all of their identities are guaranteed. Therefore, no body double tricks exist!
Natsuhi was killed by another person!
(This is referring to Natsuhi's death in Episode 1.)
There are no unidentified corpses, and all of the survivors have alibis!
The bullet buried into Natsuhi's forehead was not fired from Natsuhi's gun!
Starting when Maria's key was received, and until the instant Rosa unsealed it the next day, it passed through no one's hands!!
(This is referring to the chapel murder in Episode 2.)
No door with an auto-lock exists other than Kinzo's study!
The six people were already dead by the time they were discovered!
All were killed by other people!
All six were genuine victims, and did not take part in a mutual murder!
There was no simultaneous murder!!
There was no one hiding in the chapel.
By this, a shut-in murder like you say does not work!
They definitely would not mistake any different person for Kanon!
(This is referring to Kanon's appearance in Episode 2.)
All five master keys were discovered, each in the pocket of one of the servants!
(This is referring to the first twilight of Episode 3.)
The individual keys were found inside envelopes alongside the corpses!
In short, all keys related to the linked closed rooms were locked inside the linked closed rooms!!
The keys cannot be returned from outside the room using the crack of the door, the crack of the window, vents, or any place of the sort!!
All of them had wounds resembling gunshot wounds which became fatal!
It is impossible for the murder to have taken place outside the room!!
I shall say more with the red! When the five other than Kinzo were murdered, the murderer was definitely in the same room!
I already proclaimed in red at the time that there were no suicides!!
Ushiromiya Battler. I will now... kill you. And right now, there is no one other than you on this island. The only one alive on this island is you. Nothing outside the island can interfere. You are all alone on this island. And of course, I am not you. Yet I am here, now, and will kill you.
(This is referring to the game of Episode 4.)
The identities of all unidentified corpses are guaranteed
(Used by Lambdadelta in ????? for Episode 1.)
Kanon did not die in an accident!
(This refers to Kanon's death in Episode 1.)
Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo are not murderers
(This refers to their deaths in Episode 1.)
The thing that shot Natsuhi wasn't a trap, it was a real shooting murder with a gun raised and trigger pulled!
(This refers to her death in Episode 1.)
When the six were killed in the chapel, the culprit was inside the chapel!
(This refers to chapel murders in Episode 2.)
The only one who can claim Kanon's name is the person himself!
A different person cannot claim his name!
After the master keys came into Rosa's control, never did any of them leave her hands! Except for the time when she lent it to Battler to unlock Natsuhi's room.
(This refers to the master keys in Episode 2.)

Solachinx · 2010-01-18, 11:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raneh

Basically, this is the list of all red used in the teaparty/???? meaning Battler and Beatrice's fight. I didn't root out the meaningless reds but I tried to group them.

Spoiler for Ep4 end, game reds:

Kanon is dead.
(Used by Beatrice in Tea Party, referring to the 4th game.)
Among the five people in Kyrie's group, he was the first to die.
In short, he was the 9th victim.
All of the master keys were under Rosa's control!
(This is referring to Natsuhi's closed room scenario in Episode 2.)
George did not go down the stairs of the guesthouse.
(This is referring to George's disappearance from the guesthouse in Episode 3.)
All windows and doors leading to the outside were locked from the inside.
Furthermore, it is impossible to lock any of those from outside!
All of those who met at the family conference recognized the existence of Kinzo!
(This is referring to Kinzo's appearance in Episode 4.)
No person would mistake Ushiromiya Kinzo by sight.
No matter what the disguise, they would not mistake Ushiromiya Kinzo!
Kinzo's life or death status is the same at the start of each of the 4 games.
The setup was not different for the fourth game alone...!
Kinzo is already dead at the starting time for all games!
Before now, I have proclaimed that no more than 18 humans exist on this island.
I will lower that by one for Kinzo!!
No more than 17 humans exist on this island!!
That excludes any 18th person.
In short, this 18th person X does not exist!!
This applies to all games!!!
Both were killed by another person!
(This is referring to the second twilight of Episode 1.)
It is not the case that, after the construction of the closed room, one of them committed suicide after committing murder!
Furthermore, the murder was carried out with both the victim and the perpetrator in the same room!
No method exists for the perpetrator to commit murder from outside the room!
All of the survivors have alibis!Let us include the dead as well!!
(This is referring to Kanon found in the boiler room)
In short, no kind of human or dead person on the island could have killed Kanon!
Kanon did not commit suicide
Maria, who was in the same room, did not kill them!
(This is referring to the deaths of Genji, Nanjo, and Kumasawa in Episode 1.)
And of course, the three were killed by other people!
Regarding the unidentified corpses, all of their identities are guaranteed. Therefore, no body double tricks exist!
Natsuhi was killed by another person!
(This is referring to Natsuhi's death in Episode 1.)
There are no unidentified corpses, and all of the survivors have alibis!
The bullet buried into Natsuhi's forehead was not fired from Natsuhi's gun!
Starting when Maria's key was received, and until the instant Rosa unsealed it the next day, it passed through no one's hands!!
(This is referring to the chapel murder in Episode 2.)
No door with an auto-lock exists other than Kinzo's study!
The six people were already dead by the time they were discovered!
All were killed by other people!
All six were genuine victims, and did not take part in a mutual murder!
There was no simultaneous murder!!
There was no one hiding in the chapel.
By this, a shut-in murder like you say does not work!
They definitely would not mistake any different person for Kanon!
(This is referring to Kanon's appearance in Episode 2.)
All five master keys were discovered, each in the pocket of one of the servants!
(This is referring to the first twilight of Episode 3.)
The individual keys were found inside envelopes alongside the corpses!
In short, all keys related to the linked closed rooms were locked inside the linked closed rooms!!
The keys cannot be returned from outside the room using the crack of the door, the crack of the window, vents, or any place of the sort!!
All of them had wounds resembling gunshot wounds which became fatal!
It is impossible for the murder to have taken place outside the room!!
I shall say more with the red! When the five other than Kinzo were murdered, the murderer was definitely in the same room!
I already proclaimed in red at the time that there were no suicides!!
Ushiromiya Battler. I will now... kill you. And right now, there is no one other than you on this island. The only one alive on this island is you. Nothing outside the island can interfere. You are all alone on this island. And of course, I am not you. Yet I am here, now, and will kill you.
(This is referring to the game of Episode 4.)
The identities of all unidentified corpses are guaranteed
(Used by Lambdadelta in ????? for Episode 1.)
Kanon did not die in an accident!
(This refers to Kanon's death in Episode 1.)
Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo are not murderers
(This refers to their deaths in Episode 1.)
The thing that shot Natsuhi wasn't a trap, it was a real shooting murder with a gun raised and trigger pulled!
(This refers to her death in Episode 1.)
When the six were killed in the chapel, the culprit was inside the chapel!
(This refers to chapel murders in Episode 2.)
The only one who can claim Kanon's name is the person himself!
A different person cannot claim his name!
After the master keys came into Rosa's control, never did any of them leave her hands! Except for the time when she lent it to Battler to unlock Natsuhi's room.
(This refers to the master keys in Episode 2.)

Ah, thanks

and, one last thing, do the killers change each game, or are they the same person through out all of it?

maximilianjenus · 2010-01-18, 13:56

there is no definite answer to that, it is likely that there won't be, if ryukishi "solves" the game as it was implied.

Solachinx · 2010-01-18, 14:23

Que? Elaborate; if Ryukishi *solves*? Is he making this up as he goes along?

Tjfarmer · 2010-01-18, 14:55

He is, but he isn't.

He does know the answer... but he writes at the pace of the readers. Since quite a lot of people thought Kinzo was already dead, he confirmed it in Ep4, even though he originally meant it for Ep5+. Probably the same with Kumasawa being Beatrice/a Beatrice (was a theory since Ep1), which he pretty much confirmed with Virgillia in Ep3.

If nobody is getting along with the answer, the next arc will most likely contain a huge hint for the reader. If a lot of people are getting it right, he'll confirm.

Solachinx · 2010-01-18, 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tjfarmer

He is, but he isn't.

He does know the answer... but he writes at the pace of the readers. Since quite a lot of people thought Kinzo was already dead, he confirmed it in Ep4, even though he originally meant it for Ep5+. Probably the same with Kumasawa being Beatrice/a Beatrice (was a theory since Ep1), which he pretty much confirmed with Virgillia in Ep3.

If nobody is getting along with the answer, the next arc will most likely contain a huge hint for the reader. If a lot of people are getting it right, he'll confirm.

Ah, well it's nice to know he listens ^^.

Arbane the Terrible · 2010-01-18, 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solachinx

Ah, thanks

and, one last thing, do the killers change each game, or are they the same person through out all of it?

Nobody knows. Given that it's different people turning up dead in the first twilight each time, I personally suspect there's at LEAST two people or groups of people planning mayhem. (I'm assuming that peoples' motivations and circumstances BEFORE each "game" are constant.)

rogerpepitone · 2010-01-18, 18:12

It seems like twilight victims are always "active" people. For example, people who are sleeping at the first twilight aren't selected. In Episode 2, Rosa, Battler, and Maria aren't attacked while napping in the parlor. (In the anime, she doesn't even close the curtains; somebody standing outside with one of the rifles could have shot them all.) The drunken Battler isn't attacked. Eva spends a good deal of Episode 3 feverish and alone, but she is not attacked. Blinded Jessica is not attacked either.

maximilianjenus · 2010-01-18, 22:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solachinx

Que? Elaborate; if Ryukishi *solves*? Is he making this up as he goes along?

oh, what I meant is that he said that he is not going to give a straight away answer, but instead give a lot of clues so if you have the correct theory you will know you are right.

bereal31 · 2010-01-21, 01:06

where is the one winged eagle on shannon's cloth?

Beatoriche · 2010-01-21, 01:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by bereal31

where is the one winged eagle on shannon's cloth?

It's tattooed on her right leg.

2010-01-17, 23:46	Link #827
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	No there isn't. But you need to question Battler's POW to use such a trick. __________________

2010-01-18, 01:32	Link #828
LyricalAura Dea ex Kakera Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sea of Fragments	You'd also need to question the competence of the lock manufacturer, since the entire point of a chain lock is that it can't be manipulated from the outside. Spoiler for Episode 6: It was only stated for a specific room, and magically appeared in bloody letters on the door instead of being directly displayed as red text, but: The chain lock cannot be locked or unlocked from the outside by any means whatsoever. Last edited by LyricalAura; 2010-01-18 at 01:46.

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Solachinx is a myth Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Age: 29	OK, I just finished watching episode 26 and I keep hearing that a bunch of vital red text was not included in the anime (I thought that there was too much blue...). What is this information that wasn't put in? __________________ Trambampoline!

2010-01-18, 11:36	Link #830
Raneh Storyteller Join Date: Aug 2009	Basically, this is the list of all red used in the teaparty/???? meaning Battler and Beatrice's fight. I didn't root out the meaningless reds but I tried to group them. Spoiler for Ep4 end, game reds: Kanon is dead. (Used by Beatrice in Tea Party, referring to the 4th game.) Among the five people in Kyrie's group, he was the first to die. In short, he was the 9th victim. All of the master keys were under Rosa's control! (This is referring to Natsuhi's closed room scenario in Episode 2.) George did not go down the stairs of the guesthouse. (This is referring to George's disappearance from the guesthouse in Episode 3.) All windows and doors leading to the outside were locked from the inside. Furthermore, it is impossible to lock any of those from outside! All of those who met at the family conference recognized the existence of Kinzo! (This is referring to Kinzo's appearance in Episode 4.) No person would mistake Ushiromiya Kinzo by sight. No matter what the disguise, they would not mistake Ushiromiya Kinzo! Kinzo's life or death status is the same at the start of each of the 4 games. The setup was not different for the fourth game alone...! Kinzo is already dead at the starting time for all games! Before now, I have proclaimed that no more than 18 humans exist on this island. I will lower that by one for Kinzo!! No more than 17 humans exist on this island!! That excludes any 18th person. In short, this 18th person X does not exist!! This applies to all games!!! Both were killed by another person! (This is referring to the second twilight of Episode 1.) It is not the case that, after the construction of the closed room, one of them committed suicide after committing murder! Furthermore, the murder was carried out with both the victim and the perpetrator in the same room! No method exists for the perpetrator to commit murder from outside the room! All of the survivors have alibis!Let us include the dead as well!! (This is referring to Kanon found in the boiler room) In short, no kind of human or dead person on the island could have killed Kanon! Kanon did not commit suicide Maria, who was in the same room, did not kill them! (This is referring to the deaths of Genji, Nanjo, and Kumasawa in Episode 1.) And of course, the three were killed by other people! Regarding the unidentified corpses, all of their identities are guaranteed. Therefore, no body double tricks exist! Natsuhi was killed by another person! (This is referring to Natsuhi's death in Episode 1.) There are no unidentified corpses, and all of the survivors have alibis! The bullet buried into Natsuhi's forehead was not fired from Natsuhi's gun! Starting when Maria's key was received, and until the instant Rosa unsealed it the next day, it passed through no one's hands!! (This is referring to the chapel murder in Episode 2.) No door with an auto-lock exists other than Kinzo's study! The six people were already dead by the time they were discovered! All were killed by other people! All six were genuine victims, and did not take part in a mutual murder! There was no simultaneous murder!! There was no one hiding in the chapel. By this, a shut-in murder like you say does not work! They definitely would not mistake any different person for Kanon! (This is referring to Kanon's appearance in Episode 2.) All five master keys were discovered, each in the pocket of one of the servants! (This is referring to the first twilight of Episode 3.) The individual keys were found inside envelopes alongside the corpses! In short, all keys related to the linked closed rooms were locked inside the linked closed rooms!! The keys cannot be returned from outside the room using the crack of the door, the crack of the window, vents, or any place of the sort!! All of them had wounds resembling gunshot wounds which became fatal! It is impossible for the murder to have taken place outside the room!! I shall say more with the red! When the five other than Kinzo were murdered, the murderer was definitely in the same room! I already proclaimed in red at the time that there were no suicides!! Ushiromiya Battler. I will now... kill you. And right now, there is no one other than you on this island. The only one alive on this island is you. Nothing outside the island can interfere. You are all alone on this island. And of course, I am not you. Yet I am here, now, and will kill you. (This is referring to the game of Episode 4.) The identities of all unidentified corpses are guaranteed (Used by Lambdadelta in ????? for Episode 1.) Kanon did not die in an accident! (This refers to Kanon's death in Episode 1.) Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo are not murderers (This refers to their deaths in Episode 1.) The thing that shot Natsuhi wasn't a trap, it was a real shooting murder with a gun raised and trigger pulled! (This refers to her death in Episode 1.) When the six were killed in the chapel, the culprit was inside the chapel! (This refers to chapel murders in Episode 2.) The only one who can claim Kanon's name is the person himself! A different person cannot claim his name! After the master keys came into Rosa's control, never did any of them leave her hands! Except for the time when she lent it to Battler to unlock Natsuhi's room. (This refers to the master keys in Episode 2.) __________________ Flarez1 @ Youtube Mroawr!

2010-01-18, 14:23	Link #833
Solachinx is a myth Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Age: 29	Que? Elaborate; if Ryukishi solves? Is he making this up as he goes along? __________________ Trambampoline!

2010-01-13, 21:43	Link #822
Thunder Book Endless Member Join Date: Oct 2009	This is about the novel, but if I wanted to find a completed save file for Episode 4, where would I go?

2010-01-13, 22:29	Link #823
maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	game translation topic.

2010-01-13, 23:02	Link #824
iheartcurry Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008	Here's a question. I've been taking Japanese for a bit now (I'm currently taking JPN 5), do you think I would be able to understand some of the Umineko novel (reading it raw?) I realize that there are ALOT of Kanji that I wouldn't know, but is it possible? What level of Japanese would you recommend I be in in order to understand (most) of what is happening? Near fluency? I know it's a novel, but still..... need my fix sooo badly.

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Thunder Book Endless Member Join Date: Oct 2009	Is there any kind of red text that says the chains on doors can't be set outside of rooms?

2010-01-18, 13:56	Link #832
maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	there is no definite answer to that, it is likely that there won't be, if ryukishi "solves" the game as it was implied.

2010-01-18, 14:55	Link #834
Tjfarmer I'm almost there! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bay Area, California Age: 30	He is, but he isn't. He does know the answer... but he writes at the pace of the readers. Since quite a lot of people thought Kinzo was already dead, he confirmed it in Ep4, even though he originally meant it for Ep5+. Probably the same with Kumasawa being Beatrice/a Beatrice (was a theory since Ep1), which he pretty much confirmed with Virgillia in Ep3. If nobody is getting along with the answer, the next arc will most likely contain a huge hint for the reader. If a lot of people are getting it right, he'll confirm.

2010-01-18, 18:12	Link #837
rogerpepitone Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	It seems like twilight victims are always "active" people. For example, people who are sleeping at the first twilight aren't selected. In Episode 2, Rosa, Battler, and Maria aren't attacked while napping in the parlor. (In the anime, she doesn't even close the curtains; somebody standing outside with one of the rifles could have shot them all.) The drunken Battler isn't attacked. Eva spends a good deal of Episode 3 feverish and alone, but she is not attacked. Blinded Jessica is not attacked either.

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bereal31 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009	where is the one winged eagle on shannon's cloth? __________________ d