[Manga] Chapter 338 Discussion

[DeDe]

Looks legit. 339

Spoiler:

By brucelee

(The last part is a joke since Naruto's jutsu looks like a certain DBZ attack)

簡易バレ
simple spoiler

飛段は体のパーツがバラバラになって穴の奥底に
落ちているがまだ生きている

Hidan's body is in pieces at the bottom of the hole but he's still alive

「ハハ・・」「ヒャハハハ・な・なんてザマだコレ」
「オレをこんなにしやがって」
'ha ha...' 'hya ha ha ha w-what a fuckng mess'
'look at what you've gone and done to me'

「てめーには必ずジャシン様のバチが当たる！」
'you're sure to get punished by Jashin sama for this!'
「ジャシン教により大いなる裁きがお前にィー」
'Jashin will judge you harshly'

「そんなもん怖かねぇんだよ」
'I'm not scared of that stuff'
「オレとお前じゃ信じているモンが違う」
'out beliefs are different'
「オレが信じているのは”火の意思だ”」
I believe in the the 'mind of fire'

NB: kanji mistake, it should be 'Will of fire 意志 .

「だがてめーの神はそのくだらねぇジャシン様でも
　何でもねぇ　今はこのオレだ」
'So your god it's not Jasshin or whoever, right now it's me.'

「オレが裁きを下す！」
'I'm passing judgement on you'

シカマルは起爆札のついたクナイを投げると大量の
岩石が穴底に落ちていく
Shika throws a kunai which sets off some explosive tags knocking rocks into the hole

飛段「さっき言ったよなァ？」
Hidan: It sounded like you just said...
「てめーにはジャシン教により裁きが下るってよォ　なァ？」
'you have more right to judge me than Jasshin sama, eh?'

「ゲハハハ！！その裁きを下すのはオレだァ！」
'geha ha!! the one to pass judgement is me!'
「てめーなんて歯だけで十分だ！」
'Just teeth is enough to deal with you'
「よく噛んでバラバラにしてやるぜぇ！」
'I'll bite you up into pieces'

場面変わって　三つに分身したナルト
Scene changes Naruto's 3 bunshin
角都「多重影分身・・」「そうかお前が九尾の人柱力か」
Kakuzu 'taju kagebunshin..' 'I see, you're the kyubi jinchuriki'

カカシはヤマトに状況説明と敵の能力を教える
Kakashi explains the situation regading kakuzu's ability to Yamato.
角都の心臓は元は五つであと二つ減らしてあと三つ
Kakuzu had 5 hearts, 2 have been used and 3 are left

「もう二度殺しているってことだ」「奴はあと三度殺さないと倒れない」
'we've already killed him twice' 'you'll have to kill him 3 more times or he won't die.'
「それに・・中距離タイプであらゆる性質変化を使う」
'also..he's a medium range type that can use 'nature manipulation'
　ヤマト（どおりで先輩がてこずるわけだ）
Yamato (no wonder kakashi was having a hard time)

ナルトもその情報は聞いており、影分身でまずは攻撃し
Naruto, after hearing that attacks with his bunshin
角都の攻撃スピードと戦闘スタイルから分析し三人の
影分身で陽動を考える
Naruto is able to analyise kakuzu's attack speed and fighting style using his kage bunshin as a 'feint'

カカシによるとそれは影分身による経験値を情報として
蓄積し、シュミレーションしたものであるという
kakashi says that with the bunshin naruto is able to simulate battle and gather info abou t his enemy.

四体に分身し、風遁・螺旋丸を作り出す
ものすごい高音・ものすごいチャクラ
4 bunshin make a katon: rasengan
A high pitch noise. Incredible chakara


カカシはそれを見て修行中を思い出す。風遁螺旋丸はまだ未完成
「よし、どれほどのもんかオレの螺旋丸とぶつけ合う。用意しろ」
Kakashi sees thats and remembers the training before it was complete
'right, let's ee how strong that thing is by smashing it into my rasengan. get ready'

ぶつかりあい、すれ違う二人。
the two smash rasengans together
「くっ」カカシはぐらつく。カカシは振り向くと四代目と
見間違うナルトの後姿がそこにあった（バレの写真）
'ugh!' kakashi starts to shake. He turns around and mistakes naruto for yondy himself (as in photo)

角都「何だ・・あの術は」
Cell 'What the hell is that jutsu?'

「あれを食らったら・・ヤバい・・絶対に駄目だ」
'If I'm hit by that...shit...no way'

「風遁・螺旋手裏剣」
futon: Destruction Disk
気円斬のようなナルトの新術のアップで終わり
kuririn appears 'now all that's left is to defeat cell' (Ok I made that part up)

[Rachy]

Originally Posted by Fukitsu Naruto

Look at it this way: the stronger Naruto gets, the better the final clash between him and Sasuke will be. I say "Bring on the popcorn and watch!"

Think? I dunno. Sasuke being alot stronger and just watching Sasuke walk all over Naruto sounds nicer to see again then a close fight .

---

Spoiler for spoiler 339:

Hidan's okay ^___^ yayayay. I knew he wouldn't leave so soon . Unless that spoilers wrong .. eek.

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by miss rave

Think? I dunno. Sasuke being alot stronger and just watching Sasuke walk all over Naruto sounds nicer to see again then a close fight .

There is one small detail, though. Sasuke will never be as strong as Itachi in his own lifetime, and the time he becomes strong, if he survives of course, he is not going to be Sasuke. However, with the training method Naruto uses, the chance of him becoming stronger than Sasuke will be quite high - unles Sasuke gets another seal or a demon. But, in that case, Sasuke will most probably be long gone - thanks to either Itachi or Oro, before being walked over by Naruto.

Spoiler for spoiler 339:

Hidan's okay ^___^ yayayay. I knew he wouldn't leave so soon . Unless that spoilers wrong .. eek.

Spoiler:

In that deep grave - after Shikamaru exploding the ground over him -, with many of his body pieces scattered all over the place, or get lost, his chance of survival will be a lot less than Obito surviving under that rock grave.

Sasori's death was a lot more meaningful than Hidan's death. Hidan was really a pitiful being, just like the loose demon captured by Deidera.

[Rachy]

Originally Posted by Sazelyt

There is one small detail, though. Sasuke will never be as strong as Itachi in his own lifetime, and the time he becomes strong, if he survives of course, he is not going to be Sasuke. However, with the training method Naruto uses, the chance of him becoming stronger than Sasuke will be quite high - unles Sasuke gets another seal or a demon. But, in that case, Sasuke will most probably be long gone - thanks to either Itachi or Oro, before being walked over by Naruto.

How can Naruto become hokage if he can't even save one friend? Sasuke won't die, ever (in a stay dead, forever never come back kinda way). Otherwise it proves Naruto is useless. Besides .. Wasn't that serious =<. Does Naruto do the walking before or after he's done curling up into a ball crying he's weak btw?

Spoiler:

In that deep grave - after Shikamaru exploding the ground over him -, with many of his body pieces scattered all over the place, or get lost, his chance of survival will be a lot less than Obito surviving under that rock grave.

Sasori's death was a lot more meaningful than Hidan's death. Hidan was really a pitiful being, just like the loose demon captured by Deidera.

Spoiler:

You think some little hole will hold Hidan? -.-. Hidan is still a total mystery you just can't have him fallen into a hole, he's going to get out and if he doesn't kill Shikamaru come very close to killing him. Sasori had reason to die, he wanted a hug .. Hidan isn't dead so there's not death yetttt.

[Ichimaru]

smashin the new rasengen and kakashis rasengen, isnt that just like oodama rasengan? lame

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Ichimaru you are a bit wrong i think...

Spoiler:

Naruto & Kakashi were doing this before the funeral....that's why Kakashi got his hand in bandages...

But Kakashi froze cuz he felt like he was facing the 4th himself ...they clashed and i think Naruto won...

Anyway Naruto seems to make perfect use of Kage Bunshin now....and even his enemies know almost right away that Naruto is the carrier of the 9 tails and is famous for his use (Tayuu) Kage Bunshin.

It seems that he attacked with Kage Bunshin to test Kakuzu to gather info about his skills....and at the end he would get serious...

I really hoped that the fight would begin but....we have to wait again...

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by 339 spoiler summary

Spoiler:

Kakashi sees thats and remembers the training before it was complete
'right, let's see how strong that thing is by smashing it into my rasengan. get ready'

ぶつかりあい、すれ違う二人。
the two smash rasengans together
「くっ」カカシはぐらつく。カカシは振り向くと四代目と
見間違うナルトの後姿がそこにあった（バレの写真）
'ugh!' kakashi starts to shake. He turns around and mistakes naruto for yondy himself (as in photo)

Spoiler:

That explains why Kakashi's hand was bandaged before they set off, he collided his Rasengan with Naruto's during the training. Pretty sweet.

Also interesting to note that Naruto is using his bunshin to analyze his opponent rather than just fight.

Originally Posted by miss rave

Spoiler:

You think some little hole will hold Hidan? -.-. Hidan is still a total mystery you just can't have him fallen into a hole, he's going to get out and if he doesn't kill Shikamaru come very close to killing him. Sasori had reason to die, he wanted a hug .. Hidan isn't dead so there's not death yetttt.

Spoiler:

I dunno. Could it be that Hidan is acting so cocky because he still thinks that his buddy Kakuzu will be able to come dig him up and stitch him back together again? Even if Hidan survives, if Kakuzu doesn't make it, Hidan will just be a disembodied head in a hole. If that's the case, He might as well be dead.

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by miss rave

How can Naruto become hokage if he can't even save one friend? Sasuke won't die, ever (in a stay dead, forever never come back kinda way). Otherwise it proves Naruto is useless. Besides .. Wasn't that serious =<. Does Naruto do the walking before or after he's done curling up into a ball crying he's weak btw?

Jiraiya went through a similar period, and, if necessary, Naruto will go through the same way. There are some people you cannot save. Naruto is going to do whatever he can, but, there are some hopeless people, you cannot save no matter what you do. And as a pupil of Oro, Sasuke showed that he is no different. The best he can do is to save Sasuke's soul just before Sasuke dies, and that will definitely be a good ending, showing both the strength of Naruto (by achieving whatever Sasuke failed to achieve) and Hokage way of Naruto.

I also remember Sasuke nearly losing his mind, just because Naruto showed that he is more powerful... That kind of things come and go, but, at the end, Naruto, as the main character, will have the upperhand. That will not change.

Spoiler:

You think some little hole will hold Hidan? -.-. Hidan is still a total mystery you just can't have him fallen into a hole, he's going to get out and if he doesn't kill Shikamaru come very close to killing him. Sasori had reason to die, he wanted a hug .. Hidan isn't dead so there's not death yetttt.

Spoiler:

Sasori didn't have any reason to die, he made a mistake and lost. For Hidan, firstly, there is no use for him anymore. He might be the most stupid character in the story, even exceeding Naruto in that aspect. But, with many better characters around, I don't see any need to stir the garbage box for some old broken parts. Also, considering the way he acted outside an hole, Hidan showed how much capable of moving with his body disabled.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Sazelyt

Jiraiya went through a similar period, and, if necessary, Naruto will go through the same way. There are some people you cannot save. Naruto is going to do whatever he can, but, there are some hopeless people, you cannot save no matter what you do. And as a pupil of Oro, Sasuke showed that he is no different. The best he can do is to save Sasuke's soul just before Sasuke dies, and that will definitely be a good ending, showing both the strength of Naruto (by achieving whatever Sasuke failed to achieve) and Hokage way of Naruto.

I also remember Sasuke nearly losing his mind, just because Naruto showed that he is more powerful... That kind of things come and go, but, at the end, Naruto, as the main character, will have the upperhand. That will not change.

Spoiler:

Sasori didn't have any reason to die, he made a mistake and lost. For Hidan, firstly, there is no use for him anymore. He might be the most stupid character in the story, even exceeding Naruto in that aspect. But, with many better characters around, I don't see any need to stir the garbage box for some old broken parts. Also, considering the way he acted outside an hole, Hidan showed how much capable of moving with his body disabled.

Knonha might dig his head anyway just to pump info form him about the rest of the League of Super Villians.

[aceofhertz]

Spoiler:

Hidan will be the last thing you see before the series ends... He'll still be buried and will make some comment about finally being able to relax for once.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Originally Posted by aceofhertz

Spoiler:

Hidan will be the last thing you see before the series ends... He'll still be buried and will make some comment about finally being able to relax for once.

No...he will be able to meet the rest of Akatsuki in like 10 years because he needs to crawl to "that" place with his tongue. So he might skip one or two meetings

[Ero-Senn1n]

The interesting matter in my opinion will be how will akatsuki recover the two rings. Or will Kakashi and his teammates notice the rings and notice that the rings are special? Zetsu may be the one to recover the rings, but if Konoha forces seize the rings he would have to fight them, so he would have to reveal himself before the rings are taken away. I hope some interesting secret is revealed about the rings. For example the rings can be used to spy on akatsuki.

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

The interesting matter in my opinion will be how will akatsuki recover the two rings. Or will Kakashi and his teammates notice the rings and notice that the rings are special? Zetsu may be the one to recover the rings, but if Konoha forces seize the rings he would have to fight them, so he would have to reveal himself before the rings are taken away. I hope some interesting secret is revealed about the rings. For example the rings can be used to spy on akatsuki.

Oh, maybe they're super secret decoder rings! jk.

Oro still has his ring but Akatsuki hasn't made any special effort to get the ring back and as far as we know Oro doesn't use the ring to spy on Akatsuki. Don't know if Zetsu would be willing to fight all those nin at once just to recover them. I think the rings are probably connected with that jutsu they use to seal the bijuu and they are what allows them to "materialize" into the sealing chamber.

It will take longer for Akatsuki to seal the bijuu without Hidan's and Kakuzu's chakra though. Akatsuki will need to recover the rings if they plan on getting any replacement members like Tobi, but I hope they don't get any new Akatsuki members at this point. It takes so long just kill one of them.

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

Oro still has his ring but Akatsuki hasn't made any special effort to get the ring back and as far as we know Oro doesn't use the ring to spy on Akatsuki.

I think the rings are primarily used for the leader's jutsu which connects all members telephatically. And Orochimaru does not use it because the leader would know his exact position and then they would come to kill him. But Konoha forces can maybe use the rings to spy on akatsuki, it does not matter for them if akatsuki knows their position because akatsuki should know it anyway. Maybe the ring is activated by the chakra of the one that wears it.

[majin_vegeta]

i don't get how the heck Oro can manage to evade Akatsuki if the leader can peer into the minds of people. It would make since for him to just go and get him himself.

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by Fukitsu Naruto

Spoiler:

-Well if you recall on that last panel before the scene shifts towards Shikamaru, Naruto was in fact preparing to use Kage Bunshin no jutsu. For what purpose however I cannot be certain yet. Seeing as how Yamato referred to him as "changed" I would hope that he's using it to attack Kakuzu, have the Bunshin(s) get owned by one of Kakuzu's attack and then have them relay the information back. That way Naruto can look for an opening.

Spoiler for Chapter 339:

-If the information about the newest chapter is indeed authentic then it would seems that I finally made a prediction that actually came true. Then again with all of the information that we were given these past 20+ chapters this was a fairly obvious assumption. Now Naruto can use his clones on a far more strategic level. Looks like his latent intelligence is finally kicking in .

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by majin_vegeta

i don't get how the heck Oro can manage to evade Akatsuki if the leader can peer into the minds of people. It would make since for him to just go and get him himself.

what the leader did was communicate with Hidan and Kakuuzu, we don't know what the Leader needs in order to make contact with a person using this Jutsu.

I suppose whatever he needs, Orochimaru doesn't have it or is not in his reach. maybe the leader needs to have an idea of where is the receiver is located to transmit.

[Souten no Seigyoku]

Once again it looks like an akatsuki got killed and once again Im skeptical. After so many false alarms, Im expecting the guy to get out of it somehow.

Naruto hasnt finished his jutsum, and yet, Yamamoto seems confident in Naruto. Could it be cus the unfinished jutsu is so destructive? Remember that gaping hole he made. Or did Naruto realize he couldnt complete the uber-difficult jutsu and use the time to make a ton of new nifty wind based jutsus? Something mustve given Yamamoto confidence in Naruto. Dont tell me its something as corney as Naruto growing a brain all of a sudden (which would be useful albeit hard to believe).

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

I think the rings are primarily used for the leader's jutsu which connects all members telephatically. And Orochimaru does not use it because the leader would know his exact position and then they would come to kill him. But Konoha forces can maybe use the rings to spy on akatsuki, it does not matter for them if akatsuki knows their position because akatsuki should know it anyway. Maybe the ring is activated by the chakra of the one that wears it.

The rings probably allow them to all those things: the telepathic communication, the materialization and the sealing justu. I imagine they need the rings to transmit their chakra to use for the sealing since their physical bodies aren't there. And like you said, the leader is probably of "aware" of anyone who wears a ring and can communicate with them telepathically, which is why Oro never uses it. However, for that same reason the rings shouldn't be able to be used to spy on Akatsuki because the leader would immediately realize if a non-Akatsuki member was wearing the ring and wouldn't relay any information that would be useful.

Originally Posted by Fukitsu Naruto

Spoiler:

-If the information about the newest chapter is indeed authentic then it would seems that I finally made a prediction that actually came true. Then again with all of the information that we were given these past 20+ chapters this was a fairly obvious assumption. Now Naruto can use his clones on a far more strategic level. Looks like his latent intelligence is finally kicking in .

Spoiler:

Yeah, but I kinda wonder how he can take advantage of that. I mean Naruto doesn't gain the knowledge of the bunshin until it ceases to exist and in a battle with a fast enemy, the info he receives might already be useless by the time he gets it. What knowledge can he get from the bunshin in this case that he can't just see with his own eyes?

[shikamaru_kun]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

Spoiler:

Yeah, but I kinda wonder how he can take advantage of that. I mean Naruto doesn't gain the knowledge of the bunshin until it ceases to exist and in a battle with a fast enemy, the info he receives might already be useless by the time he gets it. What knowledge can he get from the bunshin in this case that he can't just see with his own eyes?

Spoiler:

Could just be testing reaction speed, and trying to find out which hearts are left. Probably just trying to find a weak spot of Kakuzu.

Could the Futon Rasengan set of exploding tags? Cause that would be a super-cool finisher on guys like Hidan and Kakuzu. Suicidal, but cool.