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How do you know exactly how strong the VA's are? We haven't seen any of them fight at all, so isn't it premature to assess their strength in comparison to Luffy and company?
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As clear as that is, there's a chance they could be part of the war filled with vengeful hatred against Marineford for their involvement with the corrupted ways of the World Government. Marineford and Mariejois deserve to be destroyed Hulk-style for being so corrupt.
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2009-05-24, 16:57 | Link #163 | |
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Also was guy who just had stab him just because of Handcock a VA? |
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2009-05-24, 17:09 | Link #164 | |
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Yes. That was VA Momonga. He stabbed his hand to purge himself of any dirty thoughts to avoid being petrified, but he didn't even fight so it's not like he lost to her.
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2009-05-24, 17:33 | Link #165 | |
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While it was not a fight its not like he could have win anyway . |
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2009-05-24, 17:38 | Link #166 |
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It seems to me that the posters dumping on Luffy here are presuming that Luffy will not have any kind of useful "power up" during this story arc.
Certainly he doesn't get obviously stronger in every story arc, but given how many obvious glimpses of "Haki" Luffy has already showing during this arc, it would be strange for him not to harness it somewhat by the end - it would be a lot of build-up for nothing and I doubt Oda would make a mistake like that. In other words, the safest working assumption should be that Luffy will harness it at some point. I'd say he's currently somewhere in the Top 100 world-wide (in terms of strength) and being able to reliably use Haki will push him to the top 10-20 or so - and over the course of the rest of the series he will master it and properly incorporate it into his skills enough to push him to number 1. Blackbeard is far from invulnerable - if Luffy punches Blackbeard, he will definitely feel it. Whether he feels it as a soft tap or a massive blow will depend on Luffy's attacking strength. Blackbeard's Devil Fruit power is very much a "attack is the best form of defence" type - it gives him the guaranteed ability to attack/hurt any Devil Fruit user. Blackbeard certainly knows about Haki, and is probably more than aware of his "limits" (however high they might be) in that regard - he probably figured his worst possible type of opponent long-term would be someone who had mastered Haki and was also a Devil Fruit user. So anyway - at the end of chapter 543, Luffy has just snapped. That's quite likely (though certainly not guaranteed) to activate his Haki. We could see a scenario where Luffy hits Blackbeard with a Haki fuelled punch and sends him flying away. Luffy might want to continue against Blackbeard but would turn back to his objective to save Ace (and possibly carry his current anger into his fight with Magellan). As for Blackbeard, I certainly don't expect him to be "hurt" by that (amused more like and maybe vowing a little payback) and turn back to whatever it was he was aiming for.
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2009-05-24, 17:39 | Link #167 |
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^Some VA are undoubtedly weaker than Luffy and his new gang, but, then again, there are people like Garp that can easily match any of Luffy's gang. Additionally, someone like Aokiji, back when he was only Kuzan, was still a Vice Admiral back when he had the power to destroy other Vice-Admirals easily. So, realistically, there could be Admiral or almost Admiral level characters who only posses the rank of Vice-Admiral because there are only 3 Admiral positions.
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2009-05-24, 17:46 | Link #168 |
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Hmm....what about Garp? Garp's punches hurt Luffy really bad and Luffy wouldn't even dare to try and fight him. Mind you that Garp must be one of, if not, the strongest VA, but I don't think it's too far fetched to suggest the others are not far behind him. They are the next best candidates to become admirals, after all.
We don't even know what he's capable of, so it's not possible to reach that conclusion right now.
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2009-05-24, 18:55 | Link #170 | |
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It does not mater what he capable of he had his hands full just trying to kept him self from turning into to stone. I really don't want to go over this how strong Handcock is . you might say that after that he could get up and fight but let end this here . |
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2009-05-24, 19:21 | Link #171 | |
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Of course it matters what he is capable of. If we don't know the full capabilities of a character, we can't properly evaluate how strong they are. Once Momonga stabbed himself, he didn't have to worry about Hancock's charms and petrification anymore since his pain was preventing him from getting feelings of arousal for her. He could've fought after that if he wanted to, but that wasn't his purpose for being there. He was waiting for her reply on whether or not she would comply with the shichibukai summoning. With that being said, of course he wasn't going to fight her right there and then.
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In other words, Moria didn't get a chance to fight seriously, and when he did, he was already in really poor condition to do so. Both the sunrise and Shadows Asgard technique were convenient plot devices to have the shadows expelled from Moria so that the victims whose shadows had been robbed wouldn't die. If Moria never did that technique, Luffy would have died right there and that simply couldn't happen.
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2009-05-24, 19:59 | Link #180 | |
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Not like it matters he has nothing left no showdows , 2 crew mates and one them can't even fight . Moria cool and all but he need times for his fights in a one fight out in open he not that great right now. |
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