2006-06-18, 16:35 | Link #82 |
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Just look at macross.
There they hade no colonies , and the hole earth was wiped out by aliens. only 50.000 left. So after the war they made huge number of colonies , cloned the remaining 50.000 so that they got billions or more humans and move them far away from earth and on the moon etc. Just so that if some killer alien , comet etc would kill the earth there would still be humans left. And btw the scary part , for what we know there could be killer astroids heading our way rigth now , because 1:Space is a huge ass place 2:We mostly have observatories in only high tech countries , and thats about under 50% of the sky covered. |
2006-06-18, 16:37 | Link #83 |
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It would be much easier to prevent an asteroid from hitting the colony since the colony doesn't have the gravitational pull the Earth has.
Simply by applying Newton's law, an asteroid can be veered off course by a highly place explosion. You don't have to worry about anything else since there's no gravitational pull or that pull is minimal compared to Earth which sucks anything that gets close to it. |
2006-06-18, 17:01 | Link #85 |
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Not to be pessimistic, but if genocidal aliens come our way, colonies won't help us much if we lose the war. They're much more vulnerable than the Earth where you can at least try to hide.
Also, what is this with clones? Compared to just having sex, or even artificial insemination, it's a rather inefficient way of making human beings. |
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2006-06-19, 07:46 | Link #88 | |
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"Go here and make 50000$ instant with 40000$ to follow every year" , it will be like the new "new world". People that has lost hope , or don't like where they live can get a new chance. And as you mention the adventurer. Just look at how much money some people are putting into space tourism , and the "test" pilots that go up in the untested machines. And the outsold tickets to space tourism. People do want to go to space. There is even better to produce stuff i space then on earth. From wikipedia "The ultraclean vacuum of space allows the creation of very pure materials and objects. The use of vapor deposition can be used to build up materials layer by layer, free from defects." = profit. Like a nuclear reacors, CO2 power etc. You cold dump whatever waste in space. Last edited by anavelgato; 2006-06-19 at 07:59. |
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2006-06-19, 08:15 | Link #89 | |
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Living conditions and safety will improve after the initial decade or so. Simulated Earth-like environment colonies would appear only after that. Usually, it's when you stop hearing about space workers dying every second week on the news. (note: you won't know what kind of safety measures to implement until you try things like space mining and space colony construction for a long period of time. Quite a few people will die as the time goes by, but each death bring along new safety measures. You will be amazed at how long it took historically, before people discovered it was a good idea to wear something as basic as a hard hat in a construction area... FYI, it was between 1931-1936, in the construction of the Hoover Dam.)
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2006-06-19, 09:17 | Link #90 |
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But the astronauts/kosmonauts etc have found out what works to a point.
So there is not going to be that many deaths. But it's going to be a dangerous job for shure , like the first oil rigs. But we have learned from all that , so it's not going to be a totally new start. |
2006-06-19, 09:25 | Link #91 | |
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Anyway, my point is the miners would become the human sacrifices who willingly gets themselves in danger for money. Their deaths causes advancement in protection. In order for mass space colonisation to proceed, it needs to get safe enough for people to be willing to send their 10 year old child up there. And that won't happen until space-colony living is at least as safe as living on solid ground.
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2006-06-19, 18:44 | Link #93 |
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Has anybody thought about the possibility that the humans are not 'made' for space life?
I mean, the humans, and our ancestors, lived here for 65 million years. And the only place we lived so far, yes, Earth with its solid ground and gravity. In other words, we had evolved to live here on Earth. Do we even have the great idea that every single human being is capable of living in space and the space colonies? The astronauts for NASA are specially trained to living in space. But never forever, because your bones will weaken in a non-gravity enviroment and as soon as you take that step on Earth after two years...*SNAP* your bones will break. Also, the theories that we can actually build space colonies, like O'Neill's Island-2 design and the Dyson Sphere, are theories. None of them are practical and maybe nenver will be. It might even be impossible to go to the Earth for several reasons: money, dangerous enviroment of space and other planets and moons and us, the human factor that we were built to live on Earth, not in space. |
2006-06-19, 19:15 | Link #94 |
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Who gives a damn what we were made for? Whatever it was, it certainly didn't involve electricity, industry, or even agriculture.
There are real problems with living in space, that's true. It just means we'll have to exert our ingenuity to solve them. Before we get some kind of "artificial gravity" in place (probably by making the colonies rotate), it'll just mean the workers won't be able to stay too long before going back to Earth. It's not like they'll want to stay forever. What's the point of making big bucks without even a convenience strore to spend them in? |
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Of course, you could create a small station or two in lunar orbit with a rotating section and rotate crews out every now and then.
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People tend to think that technology we use in daily life is fairly simple and we take them from granted. But the manufacturing process of these daily items, are actually so incredibly advanced. Quoting someone working on a golf ball making factory: Quote:
I can't really describe the stuff they mention on the documentary because they're too sophisticated lol
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The only reason it may not seem like it is because we just haven't devloped the tech... These same things were probably once said about living in harsh places, flying, traveling to space, and so forth... |
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In terms of forces, gravity is just a pull in one direction, meaning a push in the opposite direction. A spinning cylinder generates a centrifugal force, a force thats pushing away from the centre. Thats why colonies in Gundam have cities built in the inner wall of the cylinder, the contents are pushed against the wall by centrifugal force, it becomes artificial gravity. By adjusting and monitoring the spin rate of the cylinder we can create centrifugal force to match the gravity pull of Earth.
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