2008-04-13, 20:39 | Link #161 | |
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I doubt it though. But it could have happened.
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2008-04-13, 20:43 | Link #163 | |
Logician and Romantic
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From past patterns, no much. Follow orders, kill people, die in battle.
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2008-04-13, 20:48 | Link #164 | |
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I won't rule out the possibility of a more complex and sinister planning that the Emperor could have in store for Lelouch, but I'd have to believe at this point that Lelouch is better off dead in the Emperor's scheme of things. I'm raising the issue because you are clear on convicting Suzaku as plain evil. While he is crooked and vicious at times, he does not embody the evil of the Emperor. So in this case, my bringing up the point on whether capturing Lelouch was part of a prior agreement is an attempt to determine motive. Your primary belief is that Suzaku simply wants an advancement, yet you are basing that on simply what you see and not what you know of his innermost thoughts. If we all knew what Suzaku was thinking, there would be no need for a discussion. But the ambiguity is there. |
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2008-04-13, 21:09 | Link #167 |
Logician and Romantic
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And being evil doesn't actually prevent someone from being popular as a character. We all know Emperor Wakamoto is probably the most evil of them all, but that doesn't stop us from enjoying his time on screen. The dude is just too cool sometimes.
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2008-04-13, 21:36 | Link #170 |
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When i stop and think about it, being a knight of the round was probably the only way Suzaku could have retained his position in the military. Being that he's a number plus he's a failed knight (his sponsor is dead :P) his position post the rebellion would have been diminished. There was tons of data already proving the prototype Lancelot was a success. So the trials would have been called and where would that leave Suzaku who's "official" role is test pilot.
Also I don't think Suzaku's trying to fix the Empire any more. If anything he's just trying to "live" as commanded |
2008-04-13, 21:40 | Link #171 |
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I'd be lying if I said that Suzaku didn't piss me off this episode, spouting his change from within crap again, while using cowardly methods which he mocked Lelouch for is what we have come to expect from a hypocrite, but it was either kill Lelouch or use him and if he's dead we can't exactly see revenge on Suzaku can we?
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2008-04-13, 22:09 | Link #173 |
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Suzaku still admits to attempting to fix Britannia from within in the flashback. Wondering why he wouldn't be still attempting it. Did he plan on killing Lelouch after the capture of C.C., and why would he let The Emperor kill her since he views her as viably savable from Lelouch's "dark schemes."
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2008-04-13, 22:41 | Link #174 | |
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2008-04-13, 23:36 | Link #176 |
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well, just remember, collaborator/"dog" and rebel/"terrorist" is the antithesis to each other, the only thing that's same about them is their target, fixing the world or something like that.
if the collaborator and the rebel can cooperate, they will win the war. but well, most of the time, the chance is small. |
2008-04-14, 01:13 | Link #177 |
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Perhaps bringing the absolute proof of my oddity, I actually find the new Suzaku less annoying. Now he's just a sociopath with incredible piloting skills, going towards some goal that seems to be both nonspecific and possibly unattainable. This, I can understand. While he's still rather despicable, somehow he seems far less brain dead. Mind you, that is reading quite a bit from what amounts to a rather small bit of screen time, so he may return to his foolish ways, but he hopefully won't.
Btw, I really feel the Vader comparison at this particular moment, though that could be the entire lapdoggishness of this particular episode. It is worth noting that Vader intended to eventually betray the Emperor all along, it just so happened that the right moment came when his son was about, and it wound up killing him in the process. So, time shall tell, perhaps Suzaku will actually accomplish a part of his goal. To note, while it is a weak comparison atm, you could also stretch the current situation a bit to compare Suzaku to Roy Mustang, with this hope of advancing to the top to change things from within. I am certainly not claiming the same situation, or that Suzaku has even thought that far ahead, but if you want the non-evil option, it is not yet disproven. Though he would really need some solid backup for that to work, and this series is not about him enough to let that happen. |
2008-04-14, 01:29 | Link #179 |
The Last Frontier
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Suzakus will probably a lot less annoying this season. Provided he doesn't preach as much.
And what's with the Darth Vader comparisons? Vader is way too cool to be compared to Suzaku. Vader intended to betray the Emperor to become the new Emperor, while Suzaku just wants to change the system. Huuuge difference there.
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2008-04-14, 01:47 | Link #180 | |
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A bit of Suzaku's final character will be determined by the length of CG. I suspect they want to milk more than just this season out of this, so he could very well be slated to make a power grab in R4 or something else equally far off. Note that I don't say he will succeed, or that he is the equal of a Dark Lord of the Sith, |
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