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2010-09-04, 06:53 | Link #144 | |
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It would be nice if the final villain was an Uzumaki. We learned that the clan was destroyed and those who survived have scattered around the world. Sure these people hate the ninja system, it is the ninja system created by the 1st hokage that resulted in the destruction of the Uzumaki clan. Also Konoha just took advantage of their alliance, when they needed a host they got it but whey didn't help the Uzumaki clan out when they were destroyed. So a very angry survivor would want to destroy the whole ninja system, and in particular Konoha. That survivor would have a long lifespan and high level of sealing and other jutsu which he could have used to actually create Madara/Tobi (or both of them if they are two different entities). If Kabuto summoned Madara's soul then maybe the "Madara" that we did see is Madara's soulless body enhanced by Zetsu and controlled by this final villain. Another clue is that this masked man wants to create some kind of peace, even if everybody becomes his slave it is still peace. But for the Madara we know of war was everything, he was such a warrior type which always wanted to fight, such a man would never want peace, where he cannot do what he likes best. If the final villain was not an Uchiha but an Uzumaki, it would also center the story more around Naruto and less around Sasuke, the story in part 2 of the manga has been centered too much around Sasuke and his clan. |
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2010-09-04, 10:20 | Link #145 |
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what if tobi is kakashi from the future? and the hole is the side of kakashi's sharingan? and the jutsu he uses is kamui but perfected with his white chakra? which would explain his going on about special chakra? And he will be revealed soon which is why this is the year of kakashi?</sarcasm>
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2010-09-04, 11:25 | Link #146 | |
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As for Kisame, my only dissapointment was that he lost to Gai. Mainly dissapointed because in the end too much of Kisame's strength came from samehada. I hope Kishi doesn't drag this out with Konan. If Tobi doesn't at least use some fire jutsu against her I'll consider him severely dumbed down for this fight. |
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2010-09-04, 12:38 | Link #148 | |
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Konan wants to fight a man who is alive since hundreads of years, has fought in numerous wars, faced, controlled and outlived many Kages and other strong shinobis, developed a technique which allows him to travel in time and space, making it nearly impossible to hit him, was and still is the strongest Uchiha, a clan, which specializes on fire techniques while she fights with Paper Jutsus during a rainstrom, surrounded by water, all alone? That plan has no downsides to it whatsoever! Seriously, what is this recently? Cheap manga characters killing spree? First Claymore and now Naruto and itīs Akatsuki members. I seriously hope Konan survives somehow and keeps her promise to aid Naruto in the upcoming Shinobi war.
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2010-09-04, 12:57 | Link #149 |
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^Yeah it seems to me as if Kishi is trying to kill off all the bad guys very quickly and fights are becoming shorter and shorter and IMO it makes the fights and the bad guys look disappointing despite being hyped up so much.
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2010-09-04, 15:49 | Link #150 | |
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as for Konan, i think she is being underestimated...shes not gonna win but she has known Tobi long enough (at least since Tobi taught nagato about the gedo statue) to if not but for a brief period exploit an unknown Tobi weakness
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2010-09-04, 20:28 | Link #151 |
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It's been pretty well established that Madara was telling the truth because of the flashbacks. If he had been just talking, sure it might have been a lie, but the flashbacks more or less confirm it.
So nice try.
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2010-09-04, 22:39 | Link #154 |
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Actually, If what he told to sasuke was a lie, then yes there would be a point... afterall he wouldn't want to take the risk that Naruto might tell sasuke something different and Sasuke actually listening... Madara's got to keep his story straight
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2010-09-04, 23:15 | Link #155 | |
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It will be interesting to compare what Konan does to Madara to Fu and Torune. I don't think I would be out of line thinking they were each around Yamato's level. Konan is much higher up on the character food chain than those two minor tertiary characters. They were able to at least get a hit in. But ultimately were minor nuisances and discarded like trash.
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2010-09-05, 00:43 | Link #156 |
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^Here's hoping Konan finally gets Madara to show us something new...though since Minato couldn't even get Madara to break routine, I'm leery of Konan being able to do anything substantive (not that the two figths will be necessarily comparable)...
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2010-09-05, 01:16 | Link #157 | |
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Call me crazy but I believe this fight just might be much better. The flashback was pretty epic, but mostly because of Minato, the things at stake (Naruto & Kushina), and all the emotional build up, lets just be honest here, the fight really wasn't a big deal. Madara did nothing special really, and in fact he looked pretty lack luster considering who he is supposed to be. Again, I really hope he is severely weakened and isn't anywhere near his true power level, because I don't see the big deal in Naruto (or Sasuke for that matter) beating this guy as he is; especially after watching him being defeated so easily. Konan was easily neutralized by Jiraiya and i understand why people are pessimistic about this match up, but I really have my hopes up. Konan will be fighting for Nagato in a way, and she really seems to have conviction (and an ace up her sleeve). Regardless of what happens, I actually think this will be an entertaining fight, I bet more entertaining than Madara being beaten in a flash - pardon the pun. |
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2010-09-05, 07:30 | Link #158 | |
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I am excited about the Konan vs Tobi battle cuz as i mentioned before, shes known this dude long enough to be able to exploit something...
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2010-09-05, 09:06 | Link #159 | |
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What we could see at the kage meeting was that the guy who says he is Madara is giving away his plans too easily. Did he really believe that the kages will agree to his plan? Or maybe he just wanted to reaffirm his belief that the ninjas would choose war over peace and so he is right that the ninja system must be destroyed? In the latter case he did it just to calm down his conscience, that the world has not become better and he has the right to destroy this system. BTW it would be a nice plot twist if Konan and the alliance forces kill Madara/Tobi now, just to find out that it was a controlled body and they don't know the truth And of course in the meantime Zetsu steals the eyes Unfortunately even if there are more and more clues that the masked man is not exactly Madara, still there are even more hard facts that he is indeed Madara. The way he talks about himself shows that he has to be Madara, anyone else would probably not talk like that. But we have already seen extremly unlikely scenarios, for example Itachi's story. |
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2010-09-05, 10:07 | Link #160 | |
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Plus, Kisame's final jutsu was pretty serious. I don't think there's any indication the loss of his sword actually made him weaker. Sure, he lost some of his chakra absorption capabilities and shark-form, but he's clearly still capable of performing jutsu that may be different, but are at least as powerful. He lost some versatility, not strength. |
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