Will Naruto eventually get with Sakura?

[kubik]

Spoiler for Slayerx:

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Now that's a seriously hard sell...
When it comes down to it, Naruto and Sakura started out as Naruto loving Sakura for little reason as a boyschool crush, and Sakura outright hating his guts... over the past 400 chapters that has developed into Naruto being far more mature in the way he feels, not just liking Sakura for no reason but for liking her for who she really is, and Sakura considering Naruto as her closest friend. She used to cry to sasuke to save the day and now we see she cries for Naruto... They have really grown to care a lot about eachother.

I said as many ppl claim.
I won't deny that there is development, but those manga panels show them lying to each other when it comes to serious matters.
They show what respect Sakura has for Naruto after 400 chapters of 'development'.

Originally Posted by Slayerx

When you think about it, how many people in this manga could actually fit that description... i mean, when you look out how weak sakura was and how she always needed to be rescued, i'd think she fits the qualities of a faliure... she grew up from that
RockLee was born a failure but worked hard and over came it...
Hell even a genius like Saskue likely felt like a failure when he realized naruto seemed to have surpassed him and that he was no where close to his brother...
Feeling like a failure become s common drive for these characters to grow stronger

To Naruto only Hinata and Lee shares this with him.
And why would this bond be any weaker with more ppl sharing it?

Originally Posted by Slayerx

But NaruHina don't have much screentime so they don't have experience or history...

Well duh that my point, it lacks screentime. ;P

Originally Posted by Slayerx

But that IS what she is already anyway...
her existence would already be meaningless without nartuo as it is... might aswell play it up and get a good developed relationship

Thats cheap man ;p just like throwing her life away in a very cliche way :P
Put yourself in Kishis boots, would you want it?

Originally Posted by Slayerx

I don't think it says anything good about a person if their first thought is "It's a trap!" before they realize it's not... frankly, in a similar situation with anyone i knew, i would never jump to the conclusion that it was a trap before considering their help

What are you saying? That Naruto doesnt trust ppl? Well it makes him saying:
"Nah Hinata wouldnt do that." :P
Even more meaningful

Originally Posted by Slayerx

It still feels like plotkai that he didn't kill her... he's quite good at killing and one of the highest level ninjas, and yet not only does he not hit a spot that was instantly fatal, but wounds her in such a way that it takes a fairly long time for her to die... honestly, a fatal wound and yet kohona and yet she lasted long enough that kohona was able to take their time getting to her.

It doesnt matter really if Pain missed her on purpose or not, because the fact that she survived Pain vs KN6 battle right next to her, screams plot-no jutsu.

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Who said she her going instead of Neji would make her equal to or better than him... Kishi could have played it out that neji was unable to come due to being on amission like Shino or something... and since they still needed members they chose to take hinata

The fight agianst the spider guy could have gone on more or less the same and no one would be thinking that she's was equal to neji... in regards to neji the readers would only think, "Neji would have kicked his ass if he was there instead"... the readers would be none-the-wiser.

No it wouldnt be the same. Kidomarus ablities were sorta anti-Hyuuga. And since Hinata is/was weaker then Neji... You would say she won due to plotkai. And once again I point you to the fact that you want her to be there out of pure NaruHina reasons which are totally unimportant to Kishi.
Also, Neji needed that arc to develop.
Also women in Kishimotos manga.

Originally Posted by Slayerx

The point is, that it wasn't exclusive enough of a reunion to not throw hinata into the mix.

It wasnt? I just... suggested [;p] that Sasuke met new team 7. And only due to plot reasons Kakashi wasnt with them.
So then, what would she be doing there? They didnt need a tracker.

Originally Posted by Slayerx

He wouldn't be repeating himself as Hinata would be taking Sakura's place as the one getting hurt... it becomes development for both of them as Hinata sees an aspect of Naruto she never knew existed; this causes a mix of emotions of like fear and worry... And Naruto gets to hear what he did to hinata which results in him thinking about hinata... possibly even drawing him to talk to her because he feels responsible and all that... there was enormous naruHina potential, not just one or the other.

Oh youre reffering to that chapter right before Sasuke/Deidara fight... now I see ;p
But If Hinata didnt know then... why would Ino, Kiba, Shino etc know about it too? And in the end we would end up with everyone having some thought about Naruto being a Jin which would be out of place considering they were in a hurry.
btw I hope that fillers might show us that part of nh interaction :/

Originally Posted by Slayerx

The hyuuga plot only tells one aspect of her past... nothing more...
one moment can not reveal everything about character... too much to consider.

One aspect? Her wanting to change herself is another. Thats... pretty much. Oh and her feelings for Naruto.

Originally Posted by Slayerx

And with how much time Naruto has spent together, not to mention his previous obsession with her, i would not be surprised if he could name her favorite food... the nice thing about showing two characters as close friends is that it is easy to say that there was a lot of off screen interaction as it's implied they spent time toegther... i mean i think we know team 7 was on numerous mission but we only saw the exciting ones.... i mean if we did not think their was implied off screen interaction then we'd have to think two characters like Chouji and Shikamaru didn't really know eachother all that well... this kind of stuff doesn't need to be seen as portraying two characters as close friends is enough to imply good knowledge of each other as they spend a good amount of time; it be a real boring manag if we saw every little conversation they had

It has never been said that he knows that much about Sakura. But I see your point.
ChoShika were... minor character so I would expect them to have many manga panel time dedicated to their friendship.

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Shame, with so little connection between Naruto and Hinata, there is no way that we can imply that their was off screen interaction.

She went to see Naruto in hospital offcreen in the 238... and fainted ;p
Thats why I dont like that argument. It isnt... solid.

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Not really... for one thing he was actually talking about sakura in the second quote,,, and furtharmore, while i could name an ideal quality i might like in the girl it does not mean i will love them easily because their are many other qualities to consider that might muck it all up.

The point is, we don't know about any other qualities he might have liked in Sakura. Kishimoto pointed out that one and by chance Hinata has it too... by chance? There is no such thing as coincidence in manga.

Originally Posted by Slayerx

No it lacks development on Naruto's end as he has not been moving closer

Funny thing is, "Screentime =/= development" is most commonly brought up to point out that just because two characters got screentime does not mean they got development... just like when Hinata and Naruto were on the same mission... some screentime, but zero devleopment.

Romantic development, yes but I think she opened his eyes [literally].
And I agree with the second one.

Originally Posted by CubeE

Actually, after the last manga chapter I'm inclined to think Sakura and Naruto will end up together. Her face when she said that Hinata loves Naruto expresses sadness and regret. Perhaps it's just cause she's worried about Hinata but maybe it could also her being forced to acknowledge Naruto is desirable and that she loves him and now has competition. I guess we'll see.

Chapter 442 is exacly like chapter 297 imo

Originally Posted by El_Negro

True but she was going to feed him anyway

True

[Domini]

NaruSaku > NaruHina by FAR. NaruHina really makes no sense to me. they barely talk to each other if ever and they know nothing about each other. and naruto has been going on for how long now? it would be kind of stupid to suddenly put naruto and hinata together just because of a spuratic confession when naruto has not only loved sakura throughout the entire series, but they are almost always together and know each other better than anyone else would know them. and other than chapter 437, what the hell has hinata ever done for naruto? anything else useful other than sitting in a corner for years stalking him and never offering to help him when he needed it? some love interest there. . .

[alu546]

Originally Posted by Domini

NaruSaku > NaruHina by FAR. NaruHina really makes no sense to me. they barely talk to each other if ever and they know nothing about each other. and naruto has been going on for how long now? it would be kind of stupid to suddenly put naruto and hinata together just because of a spuratic confession when naruto has not only loved sakura throughout the entire series, but they are almost always together and know each other better than anyone else would know them. and other than chapter 437, what the hell has hinata ever done for naruto? anything else useful other than sitting in a corner for years stalking him and never offering to help him when he needed it? some love interest there. . .

Chapters 78,79 ,80 were hinata development chapters, then chapter 98 really began the idea of naruhina. its not near as much as Sakura, but it hinted directly to a possible pairing.


As far as old popularity polls, the manga showed right on the chapter that showed Naruto coming back after the time skip, Sasuke was in first, Naruto in second, and sakura and hinata were in 8th and 9th respectively, but not by an overwhelming margin.

Anyway, I haave noticed that the people who joined Naruto after the time skip have more problems with the pairing than the ones who didnt. I think people like that have an understandable problem with the situation, because she hadnt made that huge of an impact after the time skip until now, but as I reread some of the stuff, the potential was there though.

Although, I think if a female popularity poll were taken today, itd look similar to animesuki's female popularity poll.

m not trying to ship, i just dont see a huge problem with the idea that some see.

[Domini]

@ alu546: what sort of examples are those supposed to be? i dont see how chapter 98 has any showing of anything naruhina related? the purpose of that fight in general was to get neji to realize that anyones fate can change if they make it happen though hardwork and dedication. that is what drove naruto to want to beat neji. hinata was a small contributor if anything. what drives me crazy is naruhina supporters use any little nook and crannie they can to justify the pairing, alleged evidence that has zero to do with romantic development. this pairing is nothing but smut and plays no role in the progression of the story. it only became popular because people hated sakura at the start when she was younger, even i hated her too at one point. but im not stupid, ive seen that shes grown up and has matured, and its obvious how much she cares for naruto. people easily hold onto grudges and dont like to accept that times have changed and so has sakura. im sorry to break it to the naruhina fans, but sakura = main character and plays a great importance to the story, hinata = side character who rarely gets any appearance in the manga or the anime. fillers dont count either.

[twkiwilee]

Originally Posted by kubik

But Kishi put Hinata there. You cant say that anyone would be enough when Kishi decided that it was Hinatas job.
Also bold part, you are wrong. Hinata said to him that he is her role model. He just didnt want her to have false image of him. He also didnt know that Hinata knows him better then he knows himself. This is why she was successfull at cheering him up.

The part i bolded, it reminded me of the manga skip beat!, because the main girl had viewed this guy as her role model (but she's oblivious of her feelings for him). Then in this one chapter, when they are watching tv, the show says that at first he's a role model (thus, she respects him), then that respect turns to love. (it's like a big hint to the main girl that *hint* *hint*, you like him...etc) and in the show, it further says if they had confess sooner, they would have gone out with each other sooner....

well anyway, the part you say about "role model" really made me feel that naruto and hinata will be together at the end...

Plus, shojo mangas (ex. skip beat) are experts at romance, and even though, this manga is shounen, if you notice and try the compare the love relationships (even if it just a light one) in shounen with shojo, they are pretty similar... just that in shojos, they extend the relationship and goes deeper...

Even though, i haven't figure out what the missing part is, but i do feel that naruto and sakura relationship lacks some elements to call it romance, so until i figure out what that is/are... i'll post again...

Spoiler for manga chapt. 442:

when sakura says that hinata loves naruto...

That scene made me feel that sakura acknowledges the situation between hinata and naruto for a long time (the situation of hinta loving naruto for the longest time and naurto being oblivious for the longest time). and at that point, i feel that sakura has become a third character (or an outsider/ observer) taking about the relationship between hinata and naruto. I find sakura's face expression reasonable, because sakura is obviously care and is scared that hinata might die if she didn't treat it right away. Sakura is a caring person, i hope nobody has missed that trait of hers. I don't find that expression as a sign of competition.. etc.

[Domini]

Originally Posted by twkiwilee

The part i bolded, it reminded me of the manga skip beat!, because the main girl had viewed this guy as her role model (but she's oblivious of her feelings for him). Then in this one chapter, when they are watching tv, the show says that at first he's a role model (thus, she respects him), then that respect turns to love. (it's like a big hint to the main girl that *hint* *hint*, you like him...etc) and in the show, it further says if they had confess sooner, they would have gone out with each other sooner....

well anyway, the part you say about "role model" really made me feel that naruto and hinata will be together at the end...

Plus, shojo mangas (ex. skip beat) are experts at romance, and even though, this manga is shounen, if you notice and try the compare the love relationships (even if it just a light one) in shounen with shojo, they are pretty similar... just that in shojos, they extend the relationship and goes deeper...

you cant compare story plot and character interactions in a shounen manga with a shoujo manga. they each have their own categories for a reason. and how the hell does being a "role model" amount to romance? so theres no such thing as looking up to someone as a role model without wanting to couple with them? thats idiotic. i have plenty of role models and just because they are my role models doesnt mean i need to fucking date them ffs.

Originally Posted by twkiwilee

Even though, i haven't figure out what the missing part is, but i do feel that naruto and sakura relationship lacks some elements to call it romance, so until i figure out what that is/are... i'll post again...

Spoiler for manga chapt. 442:

when sakura says that hinata loves naruto...

That scene made me feel that sakura acknowledges the situation between hinata and naruto for a long time. and at that point, i feel that sakura has become a third character (or an outsider/ observer) taking about the relationship between hinata and naruto. I find sakura's face expression reasonable, because sakura is obviously care and is scared that hinata might die if she didn't treat it right away. Sakura is a caring person, i hope nobody has missed that trait of hers.

how the hell? if naruto himself hasnt been able to notice hinatas feelings for him then how in the damn would sakura have never known before? if anyone might have had any idea of her feelings it would be poor kiba. and sakuras face in that scene looks more like discontent or shock than anything else, why would she have that face and look surprised if she already knew about hinatas feelings? that makes no goddamn sense. how the hell does narusaku lack more romance than naruhina? narusaku has chemistry and history, meaning they have been together through thick and thin throughout the ENTIRE course of the manga, not to mention naruto has always loved sakura since the beginning of the story. naruhina has no more than a handful of interactions with each other in ALL 442 chapters of the manga. and for you to say narusaku lacks romantic development, where is the logic in that??

[redshi]

To, me naruto will mostly likely end up where hinata. I mean come on, the chapter where she told him she loved him, the look in his eyes said it all, and to top it all off when Pain hurt he went 6tails that's the most he ever went , (well until he went 8tails after that)

[Domini]

Originally Posted by redshi

To, me naruto will mostly likely end up where hinata. I mean come on, the chapter where she told him she loved him, the look in his eyes said it all, and to top it all off when Pain hurt he went 6tails that's the most he ever went , (well until he went 8tails after that)

and? sakura told sasuke that she loved him in the past, so does that mean her and sasuke are going to get together? hell no. of course naruto looked shocked, he was pinned on the damn ground in the middle of a heavy fight with pain and out of no where comes hinata saying i love you, wouldnt you be surprised too? where in the hell does that suddenly mean that hinata and naruto are going to be together? use your head man think.

[Slayerx]

Spoiler for kubik:

Originally Posted by kubik

I said as many ppl claim.
I won't deny that there is development, but those manga panels show them lying to each other when it comes to serious matters.
They show what respect Sakura has for Naruto after 400 chapters of 'development'.

Nothing really wrong with lying... it's very common to lie to the people you care about as you do not want to see them get hurt and don't want them to worry about you
Unless you are lying for Malicious reasons, the lies are kind of a way of showing you care about them as it shows you do not want to see them hurt

To Naruto only Hinata and Lee shares this with him.
And why would this bond be any weaker with more ppl sharing it?

According to chapter 3, Sakura also =p
If the bond is the reason for their relationship then it should be unique to them, if others share it then it makes them other possible ships, and that in turn leads to anruto needing more than that bond to decide what girl he likes most

Thats cheap man ;p just like throwing her life away in a very cliche way :P
Put yourself in Kishis boots, would you want it?

no, that's why if i was in kishi boots i would have kept hinata a minor character, but given her more screen time and development so that she might be able to become something more

No it wouldnt be the same. Kidomarus ablities were sorta anti-Hyuuga. And since Hinata is/was weaker then Neji...

But if Hinata fought Kidomaru instead of neji we would NEVER know how the fight would have gone down with Neji in her place... as such we have no comparison, we can't say that she fought just as well as neji would have... The reaction that fans would have would be more like "She fought well, but Neji would have totally kicked that guys ass a lot harder and faster"... hell kishi could have even made kidomaru weaker just so he would be beatable to hinata

You would say she won due to plotkai. And once again I point you to the fact that you want her to be there out of pure NaruHina reasons which are totally unimportant to Kishi.
Also, Neji needed that arc to develop.
Also women in Kishimotos manga.

Neji is a minor character of so little importance that developing his character further is almost pointless... that screentime is much better used for naruhina; compared to Neji is should be considered more important

It wasnt? I just... suggested [;p] that Sasuke met new team 7. And only due to plot reasons Kakashi wasnt with them.
So then, what would she be doing there? They didnt need a tracker.

Two reasons...
first, their mission was to capture the spy, with her eyes it makes it harder for the spy to escape from them as she will be able to follow him and keep TRACK of him... so if their trap failed the mission could easily turn into a tracking mission

Second of all, They were not sure if the info about the spy was true and thus suspected that the info Sasori gave them might have been an akatsuki trap... With Hinata's eyes she would be able to keep look out for any potential ambushes... so she would act as a precaution... which would have been useful considering it turned out it WAS a trap (just not the kind they were suspecting)

Oh youre reffering to that chapter right before Sasuke/Deidara fight... now I see ;p
But If Hinata didnt know then... why would Ino, Kiba, Shino etc know about it too? And in the end we would end up with everyone having some thought about Naruto being a Jin which would be out of place considering they were in a hurry.

I'm referring to the capture the aktasuki spy mission... HInata would see it a the same time Sakura sees it... having Hinata go on the mission so that she would be able to see the 4 tails and also getting hurt by it (instead of sakura getting hurt)... work with this a bit more and you get some good NaruHina potential

btw I hope that fillers might show us that part of nh interaction :/

The fillers may suck and be non-canon but they do for NaruHina what kishi should have been doing for a long time

It has never been said that he knows that much about Sakura. But I see your point.
ChoShika were... minor character so I would expect them to have many manga panel time dedicated to their friendship.

Well the thing is, if kishi showed EVREYTHING Naruto and Sakura have done together than this manga would be moving at a horrible pace... that's why you just have to imply offscreen interaction... for instance, we cut to a seen of Naruto and Sakura at the ramen shop; the fact that they are already there when we first see them implies they have been there longer than we have been watching... What did they do when we were not watching? well if it doesn't involve significant development or plot movement then we don't need to know, but it's in little interactions like that, that two people can learn the little things about eachother

As for ChoShika... one thing that got me thinking of is another thing that kind of annoys me about kishi's writing... the fact that almost none of the genin have friends at the beginning!

Now Naruto and Sasuke, they are a given as having no friends is part of their characters... however

Sakura hated Naruto, chased after and was ignored by Sasuke, and she hated Ino... She interacted with no one else and as such we can only conclude that she had no friends...

Aside from Choji and Shikamaru i don't think i recall any of the genin interacting in a friendly manner towards eachother... their all of bunch of friendless loners whether it by choice or by cruel fate... you'd think that would actually have some kind of impact on their characters

She went to see Naruto in hospital offcreen in the 238... and fainted ;p
Thats why I dont like that argument. It isnt... solid.

and fainted... that's kind of the most rememberable thing people know about Naruto and her relationship; she has a tendency to faint when he's around... if they had any offscreen interaction it sounds like it would involve more fainting =p... hell some might even think that conversation before the chunin exams was a bit out of character for hinata cause she actually managed to remain conscious while talking to Naruto alone

though you sure you got the right chapter? cause i looked and Hinata never visted naruto at the hospital... only saw a seen with her and Neji, and then when she watches naruto leave...

Kinda reminds me how after Naruto's fight with Neji he never went to see Hinata... and she was out cold in need of medical attention... cold naruto, just cold

Originally Posted by alu546

Anyway, I haave noticed that the people who joined Naruto after the time skip have more problems with the pairing than the ones who didnt. I think people like that have an understandable problem with the situation, because she hadnt made that huge of an impact after the time skip until now, but as I reread some of the stuff, the potential was there though.

Your thinking is flawed...
Event hose who started reading Naruto after the timeskip would have taking the time to read everything before and thus know about Hinata and what happened to her

Though it does kind of remind how a lot fans don't recall some of the things that Hinata has done... i myself a while back had to be reminded of her conversation before the chunin exams... i think for anyone who isn't a die hard Hinata fan, her more subtle moments are easily forgettable and carry little impact

Although, I think if a female popularity poll were taken today, itd look similar to animesuki's female popularity poll.

No it would not...
If you look at the history of the naruto polls you will find that Saukra and Hinata have always been close of the offical polls.
Japanese fans have apparently always treated sakura better than the fan on animesuki have and gave her much more credit...

[alu546]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Your thinking is flawed...
Event hose who started reading Naruto after the timeskip would have taking the time to read everything before and thus know about Hinata and what happened to her

Though it does kind of remind how a lot fans don't recall some of the things that Hinata has done... i myself a while back had to be reminded of her conversation before the chunin exams... i think for anyone who isn't a die hard Hinata fan, her more subtle moments are easily forgettable and carry little impact

The second part is kind of what I mean, I myself dont remember all of Hinata's moments around Naruto, and I had to look at them again. I had forgotten a ton of those little things as well(though I have a good memory, so i could recall when on the timeline they occured).

I used a vague term like "more" because Ive seen people who came in late who didnt know about all that, and common sense would dictate they have more of a problem with it.

No it would not...
If you look at the history of the naruto polls you will find that Saukra and Hinata have always been close of the offical polls.


Japanese fans have apparently always treated sakura better than the fan on animesuki have and gave her much more credit...

what you point at is certainly true, i had just meant that confession scene improved her popularity among the female characters by leaps and bounds, since with her more subtle developement, she was still hanging in there with Sakura.

Of course, I can be a little cohfusing with how I word things and leave others to be implied, but the second part I said was really just an educated guess, I could be way off though.

[Zek]

Spoiler for Manga:

IMHO it's obvious now that he'll end up with Hinata, setting that up is basically the only reason for all this to have happened. Why else bother with the confession and getting her "killed" to set off Naruto? Naruto is an idiot who never figured it out in all this time but that doesn't mean he's disinterested. I certainly don't expect any real romance subplot in this series but most likely they'll be married after a timeskip(whether or not the series continues for long after that point).

[Janifuu]

I don't see how Hinata's confession can so instantly amount to her and Naruto eventually pairing up. What has been the purpose up until now for Naruto and Sakura's gradual development together? What do you think Yamato himself had hinted when he took notice to Sakura's affection towards Naruto? Does that not mean anything now because a minor character who has barely ever interacted with Naruto before suddenly confesses her feelings? I'm not suggesting that Naruto and Sakura are for certain going to pair together but it sure seems a hell of alot more likely than Naruto and Hinata. The NaruSaku signs spread across the entire series as it progresses, and thats what makes the likely pairing so much more appealing.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by Janifuu

I don't see how Hinata's confession can so instantly amount to her and Naruto eventually pairing up. What has been the purpose up until now for Naruto and Sakura's gradual development together? What do you think Yamato himself had hinted when he took notice to Sakura's affection towards Naruto? Does that not mean anything now because a minor character who has barely ever interacted with Naruto before suddenly confesses her feelings? I'm not suggesting that Naruto and Sakura are for certain going to pair together but it sure seems a hell of alot more likely than Naruto and Hinata. The NaruSaku signs spread across the entire series as it progresses, and thats what makes the likely pairing so much more appealing.

Personally, I'm a NaruHina shipper so of course I want them to end up together, but I understand exactly what you're talking about. This is also why I am very anxious for to see what will happen in the upcoming chapters. I too have noticed the subtle (or perhaps not-so-subtle) hints toward NaruSaku that have developed over the course of the series, but then Kishi throws us this curveball. It is a really peculiar set of circumstances. The series probably has maybe 100 chapters left, and thus far we have the NaruSaku relationship that has developed at a steady, if not slow pace, and we've got the NaruHina relationship which has been completely one-sided and mostly overlooked until recently, so something's gotta happen relatively soon. We don't know what Naruto's reaction is going to be, but if this does end with NaruHina it'll make the former NaruSaku scenes seem almost completely meaningless. It would be as if Kishi just changed his mind in the middle of it. Of course Naruto could not reciprocate Hinata's feelings and it could go nowhere, but to me this would just seem cruel to Hinata's character. Yes maybe the "breakup" will go smoothly and Hinata will accept it gracefully, but really, to have her confess her love and almost die on his behalf just for him to dump her? She may have been better off dying. So yeah, I'm really anxious to see where Kishi's going with this.

On a personal level, I will say this though. If Hinata's only purpose here was to serve as a catalyst for the Kyuubi's release and then as a catalyst for Sakura's feelings toward Naruto, I am going to be thoroughly pissed.

[kubik]

Spoiler for Slayerx:

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Nothing really wrong with lying... it's very common to lie to the people you care about as you do not want to see them get hurt and don't want them to worry about you
Unless you are lying for Malicious reasons, the lies are kind of a way of showing you care about them as it shows you do not want to see them hurt.

How can Naruto now trust Sakura? Look what happened in chapter 'nicknames'.

Thats the point. Yamato told Naruto the truth. Naruto needed that truth to develop. Sakura lacked that vision. Naruto doesnt need cuddling from her. She acted like a big overprotective sister to him then.
And that leads us to:
Naruto lied to Sakura about his thoughts before meeting her and Sai. Clearly so she wont get upset, to protect her. Moreso he used his romantic feelings to do so [using his date request].

Serious romantic relationship [platonic too ;p] is about honesty. How can you expect NaruSaku to be good friends when they dont trust each other?

Also based on lack of Sakura in Narutos db3 profile I have a theory that he isnt serious about his feelings for her anymore. That lying part confirms that to me.

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Originally Posted by Slayerx

According to chapter 3, Sakura also =p
If the bond is the reason for their relationship then it should be unique to them, if others share it then it makes them other possible ships, and that in turn leads to anruto needing more than that bond to decide what girl he likes most

Chapter 3? What are you referring too? Desire to be acknowledged?
Like I said, only Naruto, Hinata and Lee share the 'dropout hardworking non-genius type' bond.

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Originally Posted by Slayerx

no, that's why if i was in kishi boots i would have kept hinata a minor character, but given her more screen time and development so that she might be able to become something more

Then she wouldnt be minor character anymore would she? Not that I would complain. *expects her more in manga from now on*

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Originally Posted by Slayerx

But if Hinata fought Kidomaru instead of neji we would NEVER know how the fight would have gone down with Neji in her place... as such we have no comparison, we can't say that she fought just as well as neji would have... The reaction that fans would have would be more like "She fought well, but Neji would have totally kicked that guys ass a lot harder and faster"... hell kishi could have even made kidomaru weaker just so he would be beatable to hinata

Oh my isnt this exacly my point? To not bend plot for romantic purposes?

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Originally Posted by Slayerx

Neji is a minor character of so little importance that developing his character further is almost pointless... that screentime is much better used for naruhina; compared to Neji is should be considered more important

Neji not important? Hm, tell that to Neji fans :P Well apperently he did if he recieve it, don't you think? And Kishi is the most competent to judge this.
And no, naruhina plot IS NOT important. Its a subplot. I agree it takes significant amounts of Hinatas character [because she is a minor character] but Narutos? Hell if nh becomes canon I expect 2-3 chapters of semi-fluff [smiling at each other, holding hands, naruto embarrassed] nothing more. Because thats what naruhina is a sub-plot.

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Originally Posted by Slayerx

Two reasons...
first, their mission was to capture the spy, with her eyes it makes it harder for the spy to escape from them as she will be able to follow him and keep TRACK of him... so if their trap failed the mission could easily turn into a tracking mission

Second of all, They were not sure if the info about the spy was true and thus suspected that the info Sasori gave them might have been an akatsuki trap... With Hinata's eyes she would be able to keep look out for any potential ambushes... so she would act as a precaution... which would have been useful considering it turned out it WAS a trap (just not the kind they were suspecting)

First, Yamato would make sure the spy does not escape. [the guy was like 1 meter from him?]. Sais jutsus would be able to track him down.
Second they were unsure?

But you made a very good point with this my friend.

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Originally Posted by Slayerx

I'm referring to the capture the aktasuki spy mission... HInata would see it a the same time Sakura sees it... having Hinata go on the mission so that she would be able to see the 4 tails and also getting hurt by it (instead of sakura getting hurt)... work with this a bit more and you get some good NaruHina potential

Something like what happened in 437?

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Originally Posted by Slayerx

As for ChoShika... one thing that got me thinking of is another thing that kind of annoys me about kishi's writing... the fact that almost none of the genin have friends at the beginning!

That is not entirely true. Remember that from Choujis [I think] flashbacks we know that Naruto, Mara, Kiba and Chouji were friends in the academy. Of course its a big plothole to the whole 'i was alone and saske is my first bond' thing Naruto has.
I just had a dreadful thought that Kishi will do the same in order to develop NaruHina oh my...

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Originally Posted by Slayerx

and fainted... that's kind of the most rememberable thing people know about Naruto and her relationship; she has a tendency to faint when he's around... if they had any offscreen interaction it sounds like it would involve more fainting =p... hell some might even think that conversation before the chunin exams was a bit out of character for hinata cause she actually managed to remain conscious while talking to Naruto alone

Oh no.
She faited only twice in manga. Curse those damn fillers!

Originally Posted by Slayerx

though you sure you got the right chapter? cause i looked and Hinata never visted naruto at the hospital... only saw a seen with her and Neji, and then when she watches naruto leave...

Yeah, Kiba mentions it to tease her.

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Kinda reminds me how after Naruto's fight with Neji he never went to see Hinata... and she was out cold in need of medical attention... cold naruto, just cold

Well he did remember her after the match. He didnt have the time I think... wait next was Sasuke vs Gaara... so yeah judging by the fact that he remembered her and that he won due to her encouraging its save to assume that he did went to see her.

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

I too have noticed the subtle (or perhaps not-so-subtle) hints toward NaruSaku that have developed over the course of the series, but then Kishi throws us this curveball. It is a really peculiar set of circumstances. The series probably has maybe 100 chapters left, and thus far we have the NaruSaku relationship that has developed at a steady, if not slow pace, and we've got the NaruHina relationship which has been completely one-sided and mostly overlooked until recently, so something's gotta happen relatively soon. We don't know what Naruto's reaction is going to be, but if this does end with NaruHina it'll make the former NaruSaku scenes seem almost completely meaningless.

Kishi himeself admitted that he didnt thought about romance until volume 35.

"(...)I'd never really thought about it [romance] until now.(...)"

"(...)The manga is up to volume 35 in Japan.(...)"

http://www.thecenternetwork.com/foru...showtopic=2604

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Of course Naruto could not reciprocate Hinata's feelings and it could go nowhere, but to me this would just seem cruel to Hinata's character. Yes maybe the "breakup" will go smoothly and Hinata will accept it gracefully, but really, to have her confess her love and almost die on his behalf just for him to dump her? She may have been better off dying. So yeah, I'm really anxious to see where Kishi's going with this.

Hinata will get hurt a lot, but get better. Thats her character. Constant grow. So yeah it is possible for Hinata to get rejected without breaking her character.

But will Naruto do it? Will he knowingly hurt Hinata? That will be very difficult if not impossible to him. It would be great development for him.

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

On a personal level, I will say this though. If Hinata's only purpose here was to serve as a catalyst for the Kyuubi's release and then as a catalyst for Sakura's feelings toward Naruto, I am going to be thoroughly pissed.

Agree but the chances are slim to none imo. Good characters are not used like this in his manga.

[Domini]

so now naruto is obligated to get with hinata because of her confession? thats retarded. sure naruto give up your love for sakura afters the many years that its been there because hinata almost gave her life for you, a girl who you barely know and you almost never talk to and you know nothing about. go be with hinata out of pity and guilt and obligation because if you dont you would be a heartless jerk.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by kubik

Hinata will get hurt a lot, but get better. Thats her character. Constant grow. So yeah it is possible for Hinata to get rejected without breaking her character.

But will Naruto do it? Will he knowingly hurt Hinata? That will be very difficult if not impossible to him. It would be great development for him.

Originally Posted by Domini

so now naruto is obligated to get with hinata because of her confession? thats retarded. sure naruto give up your love for sakura afters the many years that its been there because hinata almost gave her life for you, a girl who you barely know and you almost never talk to and you know nothing about. go be with hinata out of pity and guilt and obligation because if you dont you would be a heartless jerk.

I agree that Naruto could reject Hinata and she could move on, and I also agree he shouldn't be with her simply out of guilt or obligation. What I was trying to say was that it would be cruel to her character on general principle. As I said before, to have her feelings get shafted after what she had done for Naruto would just be cruel of Kishi. Then again, it all depends on how everything plays out.

[kubik]

couldnt resist :P

so now naruto is obligated to get with hinata because of her confession?

more liek he'll obligate himself...

sure naruto give up your love for sakura afters the many years that its been there

more liek immature crush that was already resolved in the end of part 1?
Read newest databook plz

because hinata almost gave her life for you,

more liek... she did it out of love. And that my friend is serious business to naruto.

a girl who you barely know

more liek reread chuunin exams

and you know nothing about.

more liek reread it, srsly

go be with hinata out of pity and guilt and obligation because if you dont you would be a heartless jerk.

more liek Naruto will call himself a heartless jerk if he dont

Domini sorry.
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Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

What I was trying to say was that it would be cruel to her character on general principle.

Its not right! Its not fair!
Well you can count on this; Hinata will always have a special place in his heart. Afterall she was the first girl to confess her love to him.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by kubik

Its not right! Its not fair!
Well you can count on this; Hinata will always have a special place in his heart. Afterall she was the first girl to confess her love to him.

Well, with any luck, in the end she'll be a little bit more than that

[Domini]

ya and i cant resist either

Originally Posted by kubik

more liek he'll obligate himself...

more like wishful thinking?

Originally Posted by kubik

more liek immature crush that was already resolved in the end of part 1?
Read newest databook plz

more like consistency in their feelings for eachother because his feelings have evolved from being a crush to love for sakura because hes evolved as a person too. and the databook doesnt mean shit, theres always misinformation in it and it has shit to do with naruhina. YOU re-read it plz.

Originally Posted by kubik

more liek... she did it out of love. And that my friend is serious business to naruto.

more like serious business for you maybe but we still have no clue how naruto will react. get off your high horse NaruHina shipper

Originally Posted by kubik

more liek reread chuunin exams

more like it lasted no more than 4-5 chapters in length compared to the 442 current chapters made in naruto and had jack shit to do with naruhina. you shippers use any petty excuse you can to justify your shipping

Originally Posted by kubik

more liek reread it, srsly

more like get off your arrogant high horse and open your eyes, srsly

Originally Posted by kubik

more liek Naruto will call himself a heartless jerk if he dont

more like you shippers will call him a heartless jerk if he doesnt

better luck next time.

[Alchemist007]

*Insert reasons why Sakura will be the one
*Other person incites quote wars
*Repeat process until new chapter comes out
*Repeat entire process until series ends
*Pending on open ending it may just be...continue warring until end of time
*If someone actually wins, get bragging rights for life and other party has option of seppuku.

Just a formal outline we'll continue following. I'll contribute as I have been, this post is cause...I'm just bored