2010-10-23, 14:09 | Link #7861 | |
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2010-11-16, 05:40 | Link #7863 |
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I read an article that in the original script for Code Geass R2, Schniezel killed Charles and proclaimed himself 99th Emperor of Britannia. Now that would have been an interesting plot twist towards the Zero Requiem. The way the final version of the R2 played out, the story made Schniezel a victim of Lelouch's dictatorship. It appeared that the original format of the second season was to focus the attention on the other characters and less on Lelouch. However, everything was pointed at Lelouch in the revised script by placing him on top of the world. One could speculate that Code Geass R2 was created to prevent a continuation of the ongoing storyline by creating a peaceful world for Nunnally. A sister's wish that was fulfilled at the cost of his life.
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2010-11-17, 02:57 | Link #7866 | |
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2010-11-17, 18:51 | Link #7867 | |
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If the story of Code Geass were to continue, it would have to be from where the first season left off instead of the second season. |
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2010-11-18, 02:40 | Link #7869 |
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Conversely, the fact that some of those events were contrived does make their execution questionable, but the idea of knowing they could have been averted only adds to the irony and tragedy of the same, as far as I'm concerned, and doesn't necessarily make me angry. It really depends on how each person wants to look at something like that.
Regarding the issue of making a sequel that ignores the second season...I wouldn't bet on it myself. Not that I want a sequel anyway, but if and when it comes to pass...I'd be very surprised if such a thing happened so easily. |
2010-11-18, 03:14 | Link #7870 | |
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"One cannot bind others and the world to himself. Determine one's fate. If, one allows the thoughts of others, to go beyond that of the world. His existence is merely one which is drifting by the waves." Lelouch never really got to live. He spent too much of himself and let himself break under the isolation and lies. |
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2010-11-18, 10:41 | Link #7871 | ||
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I don't particularly like it either, but simply acknowledge the unavoidable fact that even in reality this isn't impossible or unheard of either. Good people don't have a monopoly on happiness. Quote:
At least Lelouch accomplished what he wanted to do in this world, whether or not it happens to last, and had the ability to choose the manner of his exit from the stage. His suffering may have prevented him from having a more fulfilling and productive life, but it's not like he is the first character or person to meet an avoidable and premature end. |
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2010-11-19, 00:53 | Link #7872 |
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I still think they choose to kill him because he had done some very bad things regardless of his motives or likability. He really wasn't much better than Cornelia or Schnizel.
Lelouch was at heart, a very dangerous man who did some very ugly things with little to no remorse. Regardless of how he may have treated the people he cared about. |
2010-11-19, 01:14 | Link #7873 | |
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While he did some very bad things, Lelouch was also a victim of extraordinarily bad luck. And basically, the Zero Requiem could have been avoided had a certain idiot not thought about getting some poontang pie. |
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2010-11-19, 01:27 | Link #7874 |
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Lelouch slaughtered the Geass cult (which were all unarmed scientists and test subjects) in the name of Shirley. He also manipulated Toudou onto his side after secretly killing Toudou's own boss. He ditched all the Black Knights and left them to their fates at the end of season 1 (something they should never forgive) And of course he'd caused all kinds of deaths in the Zero Requiem. All without the slightest hint of remorse.
And enough about Ougi seriously. He's guilty of sneaking around behind Lelouch's back, and not having loyalty to him over someone he cared about, neither of which Lelouch has any right to complain about without calling the kettle black since he'd done both of those things to Ougi long before. I know he ruined Lelouch's perfect happy ending by giving him a taste of his own medicine but Lelouch would have gleefully done the same in return. I know its cool to like the rebel and all, but Lelouch has tons of flaws everyone over looks or ignores and it's rather annoying. He did some very bad things and had a handful of people he cared about, while the rest of the world could go screw itself as far as he cared. |
2010-11-19, 01:37 | Link #7875 | |
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I'm not going to say Lelouch deserves to burn in hell, and Ougi, Toudou, and the rest of the BK are all idiots just for siding with Schneizel, their enemy, so willingly without any real suspicion that they were being used or lied to, but Lelouch made a ton of selfish and irresponsible mistakes with no regret or remorse for them, so he had a lot of crap coming his way.
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2010-11-19, 02:13 | Link #7877 |
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Boo hoo. People were mean to Lelouch as a kid and therefore anything he kills or destroys is justified.....
Stop making excuses for the guy. He made his grave and then he had to lay in it. Ougi didn't do anything Lelouch wouldn't have gladly done to him in return if it furthered his goals. He basically left Ougi for dead season 1 because he only cared about Nunnally, someone that Ougi would have considered a worthless blind cripple on the enemy side at that. An alliance of convienience only goes so far, and Lelouch and the knights had reached their limit. Had he worked on actually bonding with them and proved to be a trusting and kind commander, rather than a guy who only associated when he needed them and otherwise ignored them, then I could say turning on him was a bad thing to do. But he didn't and I can't fault their judgement. Epsecially since he had been acting even more distant and suspicious as usual, looking very much like he was about to break ties with them completely. Oh and he'd basically ordered them all to their deaths over a blind crippled dead girl, an order they thankfully ignored. |
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I meant that he basically did the best he could under the amount of mental instability he had suffered at a young age with no parental figure to guide him. He was still a teenager at that, and decided to try to take on Britannia, since few other people seemed to be willing and up to the challenge. He deserved the benefit of the doubt somewhat, to the point where he should have been rehabilitated somehow, not be put to death. Quote:
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Speaking of which, being a teenager still in school and spending most of his life avoiding being used as a political tool, he didn't have the chance to learn the value of military teamwork and camaraderie, let alone his aforementioned lack of mental stability due to his age, have much of a mind to do so anyways. I hope they're happy. They created a pseudo-Woobie Destroyer of Worlds who would have otherwise made a decent leader if he were to stay the course and live on. Last edited by azul120; 2010-11-19 at 02:43. |
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2010-11-19, 03:08 | Link #7879 |
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I couldn't respect Todoh if he went back to Lelouch after what Lelouch did to him, killing his boss than lying to him about it. The problem with the Black Knight betrayal isn't that they betrayed them but that it was handled incredibly poorly. If the final battle had been a three way fight between the UFN vs Schneizel (using the Knights of the Round) vs Lelouch than it would have worked. You could setup the rest of the Knights of the Round as a competent pilots, you have the Black Knights not lowering themselves to Lelouch and Schneizel's level, and you have Lelouch having to fight off a lot more people.
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