2010-11-24, 20:50 | Link #1361 |
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I don't personally mind Ryouhei much, I don't particularly like him either, though I wish they would show more Tsun-Kazuha beating him up. I wonder if most people dislike him because he's the meddler that is trying to put the other girls with Haru and trying to take Sora for himself, in other words, he's unknowingly the main antagonist for all the Haru/Sora fans.
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2010-11-24, 21:07 | Link #1363 | |
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2010-11-24, 21:28 | Link #1364 |
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Well considering Sora has never shown the slightest bit of interest in anyone except Haru I believe Ryouhei is pretty much a non issue. He's pretty much just your typical "guy friend" cliche prevalent in most VNs; provides comic relief, advice of dubious value/occasional sharp insights and never gets between you and your girl
On another note I do believe that by making this a 1 cour series unlike say Amagami quite a lot of the development has been lost. In essence Haru gets 3 episodes a girl to more or less meet her, get close to her then get in her pants. Often multiple times. This kind of rushing results in quite a lot of suspension of disbelief as well as forced assumptions I think, which may be passable for some elements but really hurts the show overall in the end.
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2010-11-24, 21:47 | Link #1365 | ||
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Ryouhei serves his role as the sort of "idiot sidekick" well in this arc; it's actually probably the only arc in the anime (so far) where this comes through fully. But it was also good in Episode 8 how they used him to draw parallels to the past as someone who had been there this whole time. The revelation that he's Nao's childhood friend, and the fact that he'd noticed the chance in Nao, adds some context to why he had been pushing them together... though I have to say that, because of Nao's apprehension about "the incident", I'm not sure if we ever actually saw that many signs of the changed behaviour Ryouhei referred to -- mostly just her being apprehensive/awkward around Haruka. In fact, that awkwardness was what Haruka picked up on, which was itself in contrast to his image of the smiling Nao. But if it was even worse before he showed up, it's quite the contrast. When Haruka was worried about things returning to the past, they returned to pretty close to the way Nao was portrayed at the start of the anime. Indeed, she "is hated", just not by Haruka. I think the important thing about Episode 8 is that, even though Haruka had long since "gotten over" the past and wanted to start over, neither of them realized that Sora had seen what had happened. So now they have to help her get over it too. That's why it was so telling at the start of the episode when Haruka acted so suspiciously around Sora -- as if he knew he was doing something wrong. Of course, Sora picked up on that sign as well. Same with when he said he "had something to talk to her about" -- he kept acting like he was bringing her bad news. Their decision by the end of the episode to push forward and try to get Sora to forgive and accept them was important -- whatever happened in the past, what they're doing now isn't wrong or anything to be ashamed of. As Ryouhei said "nothing bad will happen if you give me a piece of your happiness". They both have to stop acting like they're doing something that Sora won't like; Sora isn't losing a brother, she's getting her childhood friend back. That was referenced in the photo album scene, where we note that the happy memories "ended" after that summer (nice touch to have the blank album page). Very important to note that they ended for Sora after that summer as well. (Remember that important scene with Sora looking through the same photo album in the first episode.) They all need to start over. There's a good progression in Sora's behaviour in Episode 8 that continued from Episode 7. First she tears out all the buttons, then she refuses to eat Nao's lunch, then she throws out Nao's curry, and then she she walks away from Nao's lunch a second time... But each time there's little bit more... I don't know... "give" there? At first it's like "I can't accept this", then it transitions to "I won't accept this", and by the end it's more like "I'm not ready to accept this [yet]". Subtle, but progress is actually being made. But basically, if Sora loves Haruka, she has to come to accept the person he loves. I think it was also interesting that they brought back Akira's winning popsicle stick from Episode 3 (Kazuha's path). This was a very good way to infer what was happening in that scene without having to dwell too much on it, and timeline-wise we're probably at about the same place. Same with the flashback to the "Nao crying" scene that was shown first in Episode 1, and again in Episode 7 -- we now hear Haruka's dialog for the first time, and it closes the loop perfectly (just as good foreshadowing should). And as was already commented, the middle part of the second half, where they mostly used music and facial expression to tell the story, was pretty top-class. This show doing what it does best. As for the swimsuits (finally getting back around to the quote)... well, yeah -- taken straight from the game. The whole Ryouhei scene with him falling over and the sudden water was kind of dumb... but yeah. All in all it was a very good episode. Quote:
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2010-11-25, 02:11 | Link #1370 |
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Haru did not surprise or feeling guilty when Sora caught him having sex with Nao because he want to show her that "Nao is my girlfriend now. I hope she will be good sister-in-law to you". Unfortunately for Haru his sister didn't have the same thoughts.
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2010-11-25, 02:13 | Link #1371 | |
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2010-11-25, 02:54 | Link #1373 |
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Entertaining episode. Watching Sora release all that anger contained over the years when she caught (again) Haru and Nao in the act...wow. Poor Nao got blown away, though our beloved MC came out unscathed. Even when he kept fuc..doing his job after Sora found them
Next episode...N4 and end of this route. Please forgive them, Sora! |
2010-11-25, 03:53 | Link #1374 |
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Man I really don't want this arc to end. At first I was looking forward to Sora's arc, but unless they go back to the end of episode one for the start, it's not looking too good. Episode 7 was a flat out Nao episode, all the developments that took place during it were perfectly carried over to episode 8, and I just don't want Sora's arc being the B-side to Nao's.
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2010-11-25, 13:19 | Link #1377 | ||
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Haru seemed like a pretty decent guy in Kazu's arc, and while he had several annoying moments in Akira's arc he still showed heart and care for things other than the 'end goal'. This Haru... he's the character everyone seemed to be worried about him becoming when the series started. I find it strange that everyone thinks that at the end of episode 8 Sora was beginning to 'lighten up' to the two being a couple. With the way Haru was acting, I personally think Sora is starting to second guess herself about why she was so brocon-obsessed in the first place, with this guy who is now being a complete douche-bag. Sora is a head of that household as well, for her to stand and say that she didn't want Nao in that house ever again is a big statement to make, but low and behold Haru has her show up a few days later before school, and then starts regularly bringing her over again like nothing happened. Then the childish ways they tried to force her to spend time with them during lunch among other times. Do people not discuss their problems anymore? He's to the point where he's pushed Sora so far to the side that he might as well kick her out of their house. I've been readily looking forward to 10-12 of this show since they revealed the omnibus format, I'm really hoping Haru goes through a huge character renovation before then. |
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2010-11-25, 14:39 | Link #1379 | |
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Just as with the other routes, she has to come to the point where she accepts that she can still have Haruka as a brother even if she can't have him as her lover. In this path, that's the sort of relationship that Haruka wants to have with her (see Episode 1 for the foreshadowing of this). Haruka shouldn't have to get his little sister's permission to date whoever he chooses...
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2010-11-25, 14:48 | Link #1380 | |
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You want to talk about maturity, let's talk about Nao, who up until the main confrontation didn't even know that Sora had witnessed them having sex when they were children. So with that in mind, why hasn't Nao re-introduced herself to Sora who was her other childhood best friend who lived in the very same house.
Instead her first time seeing Sora was when she was sewing the button on the shirt, sure it's a favor for Sora... kinda... even though all it really ended up being was a time for Nao and Haru to be alone together. The first conversation that happened between the two was when Sora caught them having sex the second time. If Nao had cared about anything other than getting back with Haru you think she'd try to make nice again with Sora as well. Even from her point of view, when they were going through the pictures, it was all about Nao and Haru, completely forgetting that Sora was there too and that she was the 'best friend' to the both of them then. Sora, who was sickly the majority of her life, who just when she starts to become somewhat healthy again loses her parents, and has the only other person who has ever cared for her in her life slipping away from her, into the arms of the person who caused another traumatic experience for her. If she is nothing but a spoiled brat, I need to figure out who isn't... Quote:
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