Madoka Magica - General Discussion

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by applejuice

The thing is, you can actually speculate Madoka's possible wish based on that description.

Just think, 'IF MADOKA'S WISH WAS 'EVERYONE BECOMING HAPPY!' or 'PLEASE MAKE EVERYONE TO LIVE IN THE WORLD WITHOUT MISERY!!'?... Then it makes perfect sense, in distorted way. It's like opposite of how Shinji in evangelion was going 'omg just die everyone', but at the end, result is same;

everyone's soul getting sucked into one whatever thing.

I could actually see that being the case but We'll never know for sure unless they air it.

[Snork]

I guess the postage of the card rules out an ending of witch Madoka!

Due to Homura's wish it's ruled out automatically. Unless Homura dies, of course... oh man, the world's fate once again depends on one girl...

[Lord of Fire]

Originally Posted by Kanon

So, what about the manga? Has it been delayed as well? I assume so since I doubt they'd want the ending to be revealed in the manga first, but I thought I'd still ask just in case...

Yes, the manga is also delayed. Wouldn't want to ruin the surprise, would we?

[Kazu-kun]

KRIEMHILD GRETCHEN: Witch of salvation. Her nature is mercy. She absorbs any life on the planet into her newly created heaven: a barrier. The only way to defeat this witch is to make the world free of misfortune. If there's no grief in this world, she will believe this world is already a heaven.

You know, since the series begin with an image of Kriemhild, and the title "Prologue in Heaven", I'm starting to believe everything we've seen so far has been happening inside Kriemhild's "heaven".

I mean, think about it. In the first time line Madoka dies like a heroine. We know that kind of heroic sacrifice would make Madoka "happy". It's not real happiness, but it's the kind of fantasy happiness I could see going on inside Madoka's fake "heaven". Additionally, in the first time line Sayaka doesn't go witch, and Walpurgis doesn't destroy the city. It seems like a perfect ending, even though it's a lie.

But then something happened that was unexpected. Homura made a wish, and things began to turn more and more ugly. Madoka's "heaven" is not so anymore; now it's filled with despair. On the other hand, Homura's unexpected intervention might be the key to turn Kriemhild into a human (Madoka) again, and free all the souls inside her fake "heaven".

But yeah, it's just too wild a theory.

[xizro345]

I surely hope it's not going Eva way (i.e. a horrible mess due to an incompetent director and screenwriter, IMO), that would ruin everything.

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

You know, since the series begin with an image of Kriemhild, and the title "Prologue in Heaven", I'm starting to believe everything we've seen so far has been happening inside Kriemhild's "heaven".

I mean, think about it. In the first time line Madoka dies like a heroine. We know that kind of heroic sacrifice would make Madoka "happy". It's not real happiness, but it's the kind of fantasy happiness I could see going on inside Madoka's fake "heaven". Additionally, in the first time line Sayaka doesn't go witch, and Walpurgis doesn't destroy the city. It seems like a perfect ending, even though it's a lie.

But then something happened that was unexpected. Homura made a wish, and things began to turn more and more ugly. Madoka's "heaven" is not so anymore; now it's filled with despair. On the other hand, Homura's unexpected intervention might be the key to turn Kriemhild into a human (Madoka) again, and free all the souls inside her fake "heaven".

But yeah, it's just too wild a theory.

If that is true then that means we'll get a dream ending which is like the greatest taboo in the culture.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by omimon

If that is true then that means we'll get a dream ending which is like the greatest taboo in the culture.

If it's well executed I don't mind. But it's just a theory though.

[hyperborealis]

Kazu-kun, your theory is so mind-blowing it almost ought to be true.

[ThereminVox]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

You know, since the series begin with an image of Kriemhild, and the title "Prologue in Heaven", I'm starting to believe everything we've seen so far has been happening inside Kriemhild's "heaven".

It may or may not end up playing into the ending, but I think you've nailed the best interpretation of "Prologue in Heaven", since it's shown over Witch Madoka.

[Demon Eyes]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Additionally, in the first time line Sayaka doesn't go witch, and Walpurgis doesn't destroy the city. It seems like a perfect ending, even though it's a lie.

Erm...

Spoiler for T1 WN after battle:

I think the city always goes during that battle!

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Demon Eyes

Erm...

Spoiler for T1 WN after battle:

I think the city always goes during that battle!

We don't know if that the actual city. It could be her barrier. Besides, Madoka dies saying she's going to protect everyone, meaning the city isn't destroyed, or at least, the people from the city isn't dead.

In any case, Walpurgis is a pretty mysterious thing, so there's nothing set in stone about it, not even the supposed destruction it brings about.

[Demon Eyes]

It can't be the barrier since the witch is dead at that time and WN's barrier always looks kinda locked off (Like Homura's ZA WARUDO - All lifeless/colorless) You can see the sun rays cutting through the clouds in that cap.

And as for not being the city, we haven't seen the girls battle witches in different cities. Wasn't Kyoko a testament to there being other MG's? If this wasn't these girls' territory, then there had to be other MGs as well but none were to be seen anywhere. And if you meant not actual as in fake, In all instances the aftermath has looked the same. Now unless you mean to say WN hasn't been defeated even once and that her barrier is still up...

Judging from the perspective (With the water levels and such) The damage stretches real far. I can't imagine there not being causalities. Who knows, maybe she was referring to the people outside the city.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Demon Eyes

Judging from the scene (With the water levels and such) The damage stretches real far. I can't imagine there not being causalities. Who knows, maybe she was referring to the people outside the city.

Look, in time line 4 Walpurgis is defeated, yet the giant magical tree that comes with it didn't disappear. Is that really the city then, or are we still inside the barrier?? I don't know, and there's really no way to be sure for now!

So my point is, Walpurgis is a pretty mysterious element in the story. Heck, there's even a card and description for witch Madoka, but not for Walpurgis.

Overall, Walpurgis is so ambiguous an existence that you can't be sure about anything about it. I definitely won't speculate about it myself. It's a waste of time at this point, IMO.

You think for sure the city is destroyed? Well, I don't think so, not at all, considering Madoka's behaviour and words when she's about to sacrifice her life. Let's agree to disagree if you want.

[totoum]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I don't know, and there's really no way to be sure for now!(...)
You think for sure the city is destroyed?

A witch's barrier disapears when she's defeated,so once they defeat the witch there's no barrier for them to be in.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by totoum

A witch's barrier disapears when she's defeated,so once they defeat the witch there's no barrier for them to be in.

So then, what about the tree? It should disappear too, but it doesn't!

But really, I don't want to argue about this. It's pointless IMO. We don't even know if Walpurgis is actually a witch. The whole thing is way too ambiguous.

Like I said, if you think the city is destroyed then let's agree to disagree. It's not like we can prove one way or another.

[Reckoner]

Originally Posted by xizro345

I surely hope it's not going Eva way (i.e. a horrible mess due to an incompetent director and screenwriter, IMO), that would ruin everything.

Hey, if we get something like Eva' TV ending and then EoE, I wouldn't mind. They wre fantastic endings .

[guenthar]

The barrier is a manifestation of the witches mind and would dissapear on death. The tree is probably a physical manifestation of the witches body and with how powerful the witch was the body might have survived the collapse of the barrier. It could also be that the witch didn't have a barrier in the first place.

[Archon_Wing]

Oh my, considering Shaft animation, it's gonna end like...

Spoiler for Evangelion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL8pvC3mxGo&feature=related

"You ran out of ink too didn't ya you bastards!"

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by guenthar

The barrier is a manifestation of the witches mind and would dissapear on death. The tree is probably a physical manifestation of the witches body and with how powerful the witch was the body might have survived the collapse of the barrier. It could also be that the witch didn't have a barrier in the first place.

See? Walpurgis' so ambiguous that it's pointless arguing about it at this point. Let's wait and see what happens in the final.

[B2-Lancer]

Originally Posted by Demon Eyes

Erm...

Spoiler for T1 WN after battle:

I think the city always goes during that battle!

Just wondering, but isn't it counter to Kuby's whole purpose to feed entropy to see the witches ultimately win and world destroyed with all dynamics ended -- at least universally? Maybe Madoka is only one battlefield in a ever shifting war. Just asking.