2009-04-13, 19:01 | Link #2241 | |
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A real solution to pirates would to make it profitable to actually make legal money that doesn't offer the risk of being pirates, and a coalition of countries who are invested in the shipping routes near and around africa should send out a coalition of armed forces to protect their shared vested interests, so making the marginal costs of protecting against pirates even cheaper than one lone country protecting its own interests. But then again the national clashes between the chinese and the u.s. in particular would be hard to make that kind of agreement, so its kind of an eh. |
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2009-04-13, 19:40 | Link #2242 |
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What the merchants ships need if a form to defend them on the spot. They must fight off pirate before they get boarded. Having those warship patrolling will sure slow a bit down piracy but it will still continue. And besides that can't be everywhere. And the most situations they will be dealing is freeing hostages ships. If the merchants had an armed force to repel the pirate before they board it sure would excuses of having to negotiate ransom or attack to release hostages(This case might end up having hostages dead).
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2009-04-13, 20:21 | Link #2244 |
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Its awesome to hear that the Captain is rescued and unharmed. However, I am getting a bad feeling that the 200+ hostages will not be in good condition now, since 3 Somali pirates were gunned down. On the contrary, the US navy did the right thing, obviously.. The heroic Captain's life was in serious danger, so he must be rescued.
More over, truth is that the Somali pirates won't be able to do anything to the 200+ hostages. If anything negative were to happen to the hostages, multiple nations will be launching multiple attacks on the pirates, ending the crisis in a few days. Lots of Somali pirates will die, of course due to their poor weaponry and equipment. Thus, the captain is saved and the hostages are also safe. |
2009-04-13, 22:31 | Link #2247 |
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The problem with that logic is that simply paying them isn't going to solve the piracy problem... it's just going to keep it the same and it would end up being costly to the shipping company...
The answer is more navy ships which can prevent these piracy attacks from happening... or at least reduce them... and it will be alot cheaper than paying millions in ransom money.
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2009-04-13, 23:11 | Link #2248 |
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But the consequences of military action is not. Why do you think no nation does anything meaningful up to now? Because it's cheaper this way.
@chikorita157: Well, mobilizing an entire fleet there is not cheap considered the size of the area. Lucky for the captain's company that the rescuing was free. If a bill is sent, I bet they'll tell the captain to go back to Somalia, pay the ransom and pretend nothing ever happened. Plus, the vessels those pirates used are at the size of a rowing boat. Have fun controlling them. It's doable, of course. But at what cost? |
2009-04-14, 01:04 | Link #2249 |
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I think history would disagree with you there. Whenever pirates become a big enough problem the various nations that have their commerce threatened break out the navy and go pirate hunting. These clowns in Somalia just haven't pissed off enough people yet, but I suspect they're getting close.
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2009-04-14, 02:38 | Link #2250 |
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And it's not like the Navies of the World (tm) are just putting their weapons down. They do fight back and send the occasional destroyer into the hotspot, but a full-scale operation in said region is just too politically volatile. I hear once in a while about the US navy or the French navy or the Indian navy trading fire with them pirates, but I doubt anybody's willing to send in a carrier taskforce and do away with it all.
Put it this way: you have one of the busiest international sea routes in the world. You turn it into a warzone. Everybody gets angry since though the area was dangerous before now it's really dangerous. Stray missiles, pirates who no longer have reasons to hold back their brutality, mistaken targets, etc. all drive the risk of danger, the cost of shipping, and the prices of all sorts of goods that pass through the area, through the roof. Sure, it's for long term good, but who will be willing to suffer the consequences for escalating the current low level conflict into something else? Currently they do have established channels to negotiate ransoms and save the crews and the goods. If the issue escalates then I imagine those channels would break down and the risk in lives for those captured would increase dramatically. If the stakes are raised too high and the pirates go too far then I think the navies would be willing to operate fully against the pirates in the region, naturally enough, but until then... It's essentially just a cost-benefit analysis issue. |
2009-04-14, 02:42 | Link #2251 |
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You don't make Somalia a viable state, you'll never settle this issue. With better living conditions, you will have people who don't need to be pirates in order to earn the family's next meal. But, guess what? State building 101 is the hardest module for any state. Better start hitting the books, or something is going to hit really hard in the future.
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2009-04-14, 03:08 | Link #2252 |
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Passenger lands turboprop plane after pilot dies
I haven't had the time to read it yet but this sounds interesting. The passenger must be a pilot too. The least to say, he or she is definitely a hero!! |
2009-04-14, 12:06 | Link #2254 | |
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@yezhanquan: yes You can outlaw what the you want but without curing the root causes, it won't do jack |
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2009-04-14, 13:21 | Link #2256 |
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UNSC to rap North Korea over missile / Statement to call for end to launches
The recent "satellite" launch by North Korea is no doubt a violation to the Security Council Resolution 1718 which prohibits North Korea from making nuclear tests and missile launches. The recent "satellite" North Korea fired is obviously a re-designed Taepodong-2 missile and thus, it is about time for the United Nations Security Council to do something about it before the trust people have on UNSC fades away. Even so, this may not be very effective against the rogue regime. Hopefully, this time around, the extended sanctions placed on North Korea would actually work. |
2009-04-16, 06:34 | Link #2259 | |
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