(L+CR) Goblin Slayer

[Forsaken_Infinity]

Well, as XFire pointed out, we have seen literally two aftermaths so far and they already vary quite a bit on the spectrum of fighting back the trauma. Don't you think your criticism about the meta-narrative is unwarranted purely on a quantitative basis already then?

I also think what you are asking for is not just a tough ask but an extremely absurd one. Getting tortured and raped *is* going to dominate someone's life. Our titular MC also has had his life upended and he was merely the witness. Sure, he's "fighting back" exactly like the characters in the other shows you are pointing as a foil to this do, but he's no less suffering from his trauma than SM is.

As for the narrative "conceit", why should the show feature a lady who has completely gotten over trauma, especially this early? Variations for the sake of it make no sense and damage the narrative. What the show has done so far is much more organic.

I am not contesting your right to criticize the show. I simply find the actual content of your criticism questionable and ill-fitted at best. Anyway, that's all I have to say about this so let's agree to disagree.

[Applehell]

People the getting tortured and raped not recovering isn't the problem. Just only having people who are toturted and raped not recovering is. It matters a lot because the primary villians that are doing this are the goblins whom are the ultmate foe from perspective of Goblin Slayer, not the Demon Lord or cults. I alreadly said I not comparing GS and SM because while their experiences are terrible they aren't same.

I'm not saying anything like all women need to recover immediately or at all. Only that should examples of women who have beaten back their fear because not everyone deals with this the same way. Like how episode 2 showed that not every newbie adventurer party ends up like the first group in episode 1. It's hardly absurd notion and the show can clearly use contrasting storytelling while still upholding it's core concepts about the threat of goblins. It's especially poignant given how goes put of it's way to establish women get it the worst.

And just because it is early in the narrative doesn't mean we can already see such a difference. Besides we have seen more than enough despair and desparation goblins leave on their victims. I just mentioning it to be fair to the series here.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Applehell

People the getting tortured and raped not recovering isn't the problem. Just only having people who are toturted and raped not recovering is. It matters a lot because the primary villians that are doing this are the goblins whom are the ultmate foe from perspective of Goblin Slayer, not the Demon Lord or cults. I alreadly said I not comparing GS and SM because while their experiences are terrible they aren't same.

I wasn't talking about GS when I said we had two characters subjected to them. I was only referring to the Fighter Girl. Because that's literally the only other named character we've seen survive a goblin rape.

Originally Posted by Applehell

I'm not saying anything like all women need to recover immediately or at all. Only that should examples of women who have beaten back their fear because not everyone deals with this the same way. Like how episode 2 showed that not every newbie adventurer party ends up like the first group in episode 1. It's hardly absurd notion and the show can clearly use contrasting storytelling while still upholding it's core concepts about the threat of goblins. It's especially poignant given how goes put of it's way to establish women get it the worst.

Sword Maiden is our first and so far only look at an actual survivor. This is the first look at what happens to a person trying to move on with their life after being attacked. She clearly succeed but it left scars behind.

Originally Posted by Applehell

And just because it is early in the narrative doesn't mean we can already see such a difference. Besides we have seen more than enough despair and desperation goblins leave on their victims. I just mentioning it to be fair to the series here.

Outside of the first party, everything else we've seen has been GS and crew butchering their way through the goblins. They managed to rescue the elf survivor, but she was in the same if not worse condition as Fighter Girl for obvious reasons.

There haven't been any other survivors for us to see.

You've been framing this like GS has been constantly shoving broken women who are "dirtied" forever in our faces where the only person who has expressed anything besides total sympathy for a survivor is Sword Maiden mocking herself.

It's basically the same thing that happened after the first episode where people started judging it like it was a completed series and talking about how it was just torture porn without bothering to wait three episodes.

[Wheeljack83]

Originally Posted by Applehell

I don't find GS and SM situations all that comparable beyond the fact goblins did bad things to both. But SM was personally violated which is different dimension as far their pain is concerned and can only be with other victims that have gone such a specific experience. I'm her in terms of other rape victims in the show and using what show says about their state after that experience.





Both of you seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying here. I will state again, that I do not have a problem with SM and how her experience with goblins is handle on a individual level. The issue is on a meta-narrative level were there is not a single example of a victim of goblin rape that overcome that in the story so far. SM's case is closest but as she says nothing has changed for her in regards to that years later and sounds so crippled by it she even less defenseless than Priestess in this despite all her power which is all but irrelevant as a result. I'm completely sympathetic to that. However Goblins are among common foes in this story and she is lucky enough that her status so high up she doesn't never has to encounter them herself even if shames her. Other possible victims who might still attempt to be adventurers past that fact won't be so lucky. What I'm worried about is about the pattern when comes to women (who have been raped) and trauma versus goblins in this show which simply go in the same direction no matter who they are. That said this still early on in the story so there plenty of time status quo to be upend here and won't require anything major to do it. The character doesn't have to be the strongest or weakest female character, only simply come to terms with this in their own way and not be dominated by it. Overcoming trauma doesn't mean it stops existing, it only doesn't rule you for rest of your life when encounter it. That character doesn't have to speak for everyone her position just present a the possibly of an alternate scenario as much SM does when comes to these things.



This is not an either/or thing. Other stories have shown people fighting back against their trauma from their oppressors (Attack on the Titan, Berserk, Ancient Magus Bride etc) while said oppressors still remained a major threat in general or still a lingering presence that still affects them. I know what series is trying to do with its narrative conceit, I'm simply criticizing that because I feel like leans on that too much without much in the way variation. SM and her situation with goblins doesn't say much more we know about goblins and their victims that we don't already know. I'm not asking for big anything or should be so contested.

I'm not sure why those things are a problem though.

[Applehell]

Originally Posted by XFire

I wasn't talking about GS when I said we had two characters subjected to them. I was only referring to the Fighter Girl. Because that's literally the only other named character we've seen survive a goblin rape.



Sword Maiden is our first and so far only look at an actual survivor. This is the first look at what happens to a person trying to move on with their life after being attacked. She clearly succeed but it left scars behind.



Outside of the first party, everything else we've seen has been GS and crew butchering their way through the goblins. They managed to rescue the elf survivor, but she was in the same if not worse condition as Fighter Girl for obvious reasons.

There haven't been any other survivors for us to see.

You've been framing this like GS has been constantly shoving broken women who are "dirtied" forever in our faces where the only person who has expressed anything besides total sympathy for a survivor is Sword Maiden mocking herself.

It's basically the same thing that happened after the first episode where people started judging it like it was a completed series and talking about how it was just torture porn without bothering to wait three episodes.

There were girls in shown in the first episode to have survived the like fighter did. More importantly the narration pretty much says their broken and will be regulated in to living a temple for the rest of their lives. Maybe it's being dramatic, but that all I have to go on.

Well I don't think the series is torture porn, just that it handles this aspect rather awkwardly from my observation for reasons already stated. Otherwise I quite like the show which I think has improved from the earlier episodes.

Originally Posted by Wheeljack83

I'm not sure why those things are a problem though.

Because feels cheap and exploitative otherwise. As if something the author can repeatedly throw it in your face and say "Hey! look hard dark this, huh?!".

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by Applehell

There were girls in shown in the first episode to have survived the like fighter did. More importantly the narration pretty much says their broken and will be regulated in to living a temple for the rest of their lives. Maybe it's being dramatic, but that all I have to go on.

Well I don't think the series is torture porn, just that it handles this aspect rather awkwardly from my observation for reasons already stated. Otherwise I quite like the show which I think has improved from the earlier episodes.



Because feels cheap and exploitative otherwise. As if something the author can repeatedly throw it in your face and say "Hey! look hard dark this, huh?!".

I think your expectations are a bit much for a 12 episode series that doesn't have the focus that you're wanting.

[Sheba]

We are beating a dead horse with that topic. The focus of the series have been on the titular character and how he slowly recover his humanity. If you wanted it to be about Fighter or Sword Maiden maybe you can mail the LN author to write side stories about it or something?

[eiyuuou]

real life people can have ptsd for years.
expecting people to just dismiss it in 12 episodes is a sign of insensitivity by the "audience".
When it took the "audience" a single episode to scream bloody murder, asking patience from them is a trial worthy of Heracles.

[xeviouses]

Oh boy here we go again, I thought we were over this.

[Metaneo]

Originally Posted by xeviouses

Oh boy here we go again, I thought we were over this.

Discussions like this about this show will never be over. Everyone thinks they are an expert over how what happens in this show and how it should be portrayed.

The only way to win is to not participate. Watch the show, critique it to yourself, no one here is an expert.

[Haak]

I learnt that a while ago. XP

[Applehell]

BTW, what class is the Dwarf exactly? While my D&D experience is limited, I've never heard of one them being a magic caster. They usually some kind of warrior class.

[Twi]

Shaman, but I think he's an Elementalist in D&D terms.

[Applehell]

I see, thanks.

[Wheeljack83]

Originally Posted by Applehell

Because feels cheap and exploitative otherwise. As if something the author can repeatedly throw it in your face and say "Hey! look hard dark this, huh?!".

I don't find them to be cheap at all. I find Sword Maiden to be a fascinating character. She joined a party of adventurers that was responsible for the Demon Lord's defeat.

[Metaneo]

How to bed Goblin Slayer:

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Though I question HEA's inclusion.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Metaneo

How to bed Goblin Slayer:

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Though I question HEA's inclusion.

I was about to question them all doing it together, and then I remembered they basically set each other up on dates with the dude if it means getting through to him.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Metaneo

How to bed Goblin Slayer:

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Though I question HEA's inclusion.

Poor SM getting excluded.
Also, are the bonuses stackable? Does GS gets 4 boosts?

[Metaneo]

Originally Posted by XFire

I was about to question them all doing it together, and then I remembered they basically set each other up on dates with the dude if it means getting through to him.

When you care more about the person than you do landing them for yourself.

[Haak]

Okay so after finally watching the episode, all I have to say is... I didn't understand a damn fucking thing that happened...

Apparently the blind woman lied about the murders that were happening but then who was responsible for those murders in the first place? What was she doing with an alligator familiar and why? And who was summoning those Goblins with the mirror? Future boss?