2004-09-07, 15:36 | Link #23 | |
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Yes, but I interpreted that as since the 3rd is so old having the much younger 4th would've been good. And I don't remember anyone (including Jiraiya) saying that the 4th is the strongest ninja of all time. |
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2004-09-07, 21:04 | Link #26 |
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Oro said it himself quite clearly, "If you were at least 10 years younger". Oro knows that if the 3rd was younger he would've lost. There is no debating it.
And also Jiraiya never said the 4th was the 'strongest' did he? I don't think anyone ever said he was the strongest. Maybe 'greatest'. Greatest != Strongest. The 3rd was also known to be the strongest ninja ever in his prime, even Oro says so. So you don't even have to argue about it, seeing as how all evidence points towards 3rd in Prime > >>>>>> > Oro. |
2004-09-07, 22:06 | Link #27 |
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I'm gonna have to say my sweet Orochimaru-sama. Orochimaru-sama was simply playing with Sarutobi throughout the whole fight, enjoying his time and showing off some of his new forbidden techniques. He didn't even get into the fight too much himself but stood behind his two hokage, laughing. He kinda got a little serious when Enma was summoned, but it seems that he realized after a while that it wasn't as big a problem he thought it would be at first. He goes on playing with him and suddenly POOF Sarutobi pulls off the Shiki Fuujin. This is the only reason the 3rd was able to hurt Orochimaru-sama in the first place, to use the Shiki Fuujin which bested even the Kyuubi. Clearly, Orochimaru-sama could've finished the geezer off quickly before the Shiki Fuujin started, if only he had taken the fight seriously from the start.
The difference in strength is too big, I can't see how Sarutobi would be able to win even if he was in his prime. Orochimaru-sama was even able to hold his own together with Kabuto against Tsunade and Jiraiya (sure, Jiraiya was drugged, but that drug is pretty much nothing compared to sealed arms). Orochimaru-sama is hands down, the strongest. If you don't remember the Hokage fight the way I do, watch it over and I'm sure you'll notice just how much Orochimaru-sama is playing with him. Many people seem to forget he did so though, since we got like 6 eps with Orochimaru-sama whining about the Shiki Fuujin after it was first initiated. And I can't remember Orochimaru-sama saying Sarutobi beating him if he was younger, I remember him saying it would be a more fair fight, but no more than that. Also... wouldn't Manda be able to eat Enma pretty easily? |
2004-09-08, 00:01 | Link #29 | |
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2004-09-08, 00:03 | Link #30 | |
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Why do you even have to think about it? oro himself said he will lose and Oro himself called Sarutobi the God of the Shinobi in his prime. The 3rd was the strongest out of all ninjas when he was in his prime. Also consider the first fight Oro had against the 3rd if you call it that. Oro simply ran away... He knew that he would be nothing to him. Why do I bother? |
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Yes, but back then he was nothing compared to what he is now, I think. He surely wasn't as pretty back then, at least :P Quote:
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2004-09-08, 00:59 | Link #33 | |
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And by the way, Orochimaru does say that if Sarutobi where youger he would kill him, I'm just too lazy to look for the exact quote right now. And you don't see how Enma could take on Manda? Ok, Enma in the form of the diamond hard pole can stretch to any legth he desires, not to mention change his shape. so first off Manda can't even touch Sarutobi because he has Enma to protect him, so let's say Manda gulps up Enma, Enma instantly stretchs to XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXL size and suddenly no more Manda. But I don't really like comparing the summons much, the fact is we don't know much about either Manda or Enma, though Enma was described as being a match even for the other summon lords. edit: Damn, took too long to post... |
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2004-09-08, 01:05 | Link #34 |
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I certainly think that Sarutobi would of won, even if it were him in his old age. If he did not have to fight the 1st and 2nd hokage first... he would of had enough chakra to put the smack down on oro.
And concerning the 4th and the 3rd being strong.. i heard both.. that the 4th was the greatest, and that the 3rd is calle dhte professor.... also i heard that he was the strongest. But in my opinion.. the 4th is incredibly strong to be able to seal a demon.. tahts probably terorized the world for thousdands of years. Plus the 4th was also very young to be a hokage... and Sarutobi even learned from him, the death god justu. |
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Atleast the reason why Sarutobi tried to get in to close quarter fighting with Oro isn't hard to explain, it's the same reason Oro stays away from Sarutobi and prefers to let both his summons wear him down. Sarutobi has an obvious advantage, even at his old age, in close quarter combat; especially after summoning Enma. |
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2004-09-08, 07:16 | Link #39 |
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If orochimaru actually tried in that battle, instead of laughing and toying with Sarutobi ( i think somewhere he actually wanted to beat him this way) then Sarutobi would have had no chance at all. Oro actually chucked away his sword and attacked the third with taijutsu at one point.
And ALL of you know that the way he beat the darkness everywhere no jutsu was bullshit! He couldnt see and he ran and grabbed 2 hokages without any resistance? ok thats just silly and u know it. |
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