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EDIT: The title kinda weird too, I think it going to be a dance idol show since it had "Tari". |
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2012-05-15, 21:26 | Link #142 | |
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2012-05-15, 22:05 | Link #143 | |
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*grabs some more Okada/Kawagari kool aid and drinks it* As for the show itself,the PVs have me lowering my expectations a bit but that's only based on the visuals,maybe the story will turn out all right.Sure the concept seems uninspired but it might turn out to be really well executed.
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2012-05-15, 23:03 | Link #144 |
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Every single PA works show since True Tears has been a swing and a miss. Their visuals and aesthetics keep pulling me back for some reason, and I'd like for them to succeed, but they have clear issues in the writing/director department that are holding them back significantly.
I'm with Enzo here, Okada is her own worst enemy. She needs a strong editing hand to help tighten up her story form her various fetishes and bloated stories. Even True Tears as great as it was had some of these issues still and I think it was mainly saved by the fact that it was one cour unlike Hana Iro so she had less time to waste on shenanigans.
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2012-05-16, 14:18 | Link #147 | ||
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ANYHOO! Back on topic somewhat ... I am still hopeful for Tari Tari and fully intend on giving it every possible chance, and can only hope that it will not disappoint me like Natsuiro Kiseki did.
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2012-05-16, 19:44 | Link #148 | |
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But how about this-- let's wait for the OP/ED songs; more Eufonius and less emo.ripe imo.
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2012-05-16, 20:01 | Link #149 | |
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As someone who enjoys the general genre of cute girls doing cute things (I hope not indiscriminately?!) To be honest there is a part of me that still really doesn't understand why so many people don't like the genre. But then when I bring up a comparison I can theoretically understand a little. I can understand that some people get tired of a certain niche interest and inwardly groan when anything even vaguely is reminiscent of that niche interest. For me it was (and perhaps still is to a degree) the "tsundere show/charas". But even so I would still give tsundere shows a chance (except Zero no Tsukaima S4 ... no way ... Louise anime adaptation drives me up the wall - I draw the line there). Hafta agree about HanaIro 12 ep series very likely being excellent (if only they had done something like that). That aside, though, lets give Tari Tari the BotD ... or even the GBBotD if need be ... until an ep airs imo. It could be spectacularly awful and woefully disappointing, yes. But we may be pleasantly charmed and surprised as well ... at least I hope to be.
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2012-05-16, 20:33 | Link #150 | ||
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But hey all is not in anime as of late. There seems to be a fair amount of Sci-fi series as of late, including the slight? resurgence of the mecha subgenre within it. Hopefully fantasy will take the same route some day, I'm really missing a good epic fantasy anime in years. And no shitty J-RPG adaptations like the latest Shining Hearts do not count. Back on topic, I'm hoping Tari Tari does not fall under the umbrella of "generic cute girls doing cute things". HanaIro was not that and was why I largely enjoyed it, despite having very "Okada-esque" dumb episodes at times . Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2012-05-16 at 20:45. |
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2012-05-16, 20:39 | Link #151 | |
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It's obviously a generalization, but I usually refer to shows that exclusively focus on shows that do that with little else. I mean yes, anime tends to have tons of cute characters doing nothing but being cute, and sometimes that works (Inu x Boku SS...) but even that requires more inertia. The main problem with the less inventive ones is that I always get the feeling of seeing one episode= seeing them all and it blows over to everything that looks like it. Watching something like Railgun's first half just makes me go In a typical formula, there's always a group of female characters with pre defined quirks and in order to complete the episode they must display said quirks in a whole bunch of different yet still uninteresting situations. On cue, except those very special episodes/ movies. There's nothing wrong with following a formula to a tee-- something like Lupin does, but it should have more than what I perceptive as everyone phoning in every episode. It's just not funny at all. I could list examples, but they were generally too forgettable for me to bother with.
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2012-05-16, 20:46 | Link #152 |
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Yes, well as someone who doesn't really care for the whole cute girls doing cute things...err thing I continue to puzzle over why they often seem to end up being such a colossally big deal and so highly praised more often than not. I honestly have nothing against cute girls or even laid back situations, but as a 27 year old man I just can't fathom sitting through a show that is literally just composed of this and nothing more to sink my teeth into.
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2012-05-16, 20:51 | Link #153 | ||
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If the main charas in Tari Tari are well done then I find I will probably be able to "excuse" a lot - should the occasion arise. But from what I can tell, and admittedly what we know about the series is pretty shallow at the moment, it is purported to have coming of age slice of life elements, and those sorts of things are my cup of tea. So for now I remain optimistically hopeful for the series.
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2012-05-16, 21:03 | Link #154 |
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They're all outsourced, apparently (i.e. the Hanasaku Iroha backgrounds were made by J.C.STAFF, Studio Easter, and Bamboo). It seems that P.A. Works doesn't even have a background or photography department.
I guess that good backgrounds aren't hard to come by - several smaller companies offer those services inside and outside of Japan. It's just that quality depends on the money a studio is willing to spend. When resources are limited, some of the first areas to cut costs on might be the frills, such as backgrounds, coloration, and digital processing (the shininess some speak of has nothing to do with animation). Alternatively, they could skimp on animation and gloss everything up, which might be a good idea if resources are far too limited to allow for enough drawings. |
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Some shows are more gag oriented and concentrate less on feelings IMO – K-On’s first season and Yuruyuri come to mind – but even there this kind of romanticism is important. PA Works mixed the romanticism of these slice of life shows with an extremely well executed dramatic plotline to create one of my favourite anime in Hanasaku Iroha. The Tari Tari PV leans a little more towards the slice of life end than Hanasaku’s PV did, but given the pedigree I’m expecting it to mix a dramatic plotline in too. Especially given the appearance of two male characters in the PV – Hanasaku Iroha was notable among female POV and core cast romanticized seinen for having a romantic subplot and it two featured male characters in the PVs. Quote:
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2012-05-17, 03:46 | Link #156 | ||
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Indeed, atmosphere and theme are a critical component to storytelling though. I like to list Inu x Boku SS as a success, since it was sort of a narrative failure for half of it, but it didn't matter at all.
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2012-05-17, 04:15 | Link #157 |
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Not to mention the fact that if I don't really like a character, I'm not going to find them moe, no exceptions. They can't be both moe and unmemorable, at least to me. Characters are the back bone of moe anime, as they're the entities being presented as moe, not the mood or the theme of the series. Which is probably why I thought K-ON was nothing more than wasted potential. The characters lacked any kind of real depth, and just got boring over time. And since it tried to present itself as a moe anime, I was not impressed. Cute girls doing cute things tend to miss with me more often than not, because moe is a more complex feeling than just that. I always think of it as a desire to protect a character, and what am I supposed to protect a character from who stuffs herself with sweets and tea all day long? Oh right, obesity! Well, I suppose I could protect Mio from her own shadow...shed probably thank me for that.
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2012-05-17, 05:02 | Link #158 | |
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'Backgrounds: JC Staff Art Department" Hopefully that means Little Buster will have epic backgrounds (since I figure they'll have the budget).
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That being said, I hafts agree in general with what you've said here. Quote:
I fully expect Tari Tari to have plot involving drama (one of the most effective catalysts for coming of age IRL and in art is exactly drama, or conflict, etc.), but whether it will do so successfully or no is a question - I am still smarting from the disappointment of Natsuiro Kiseki, you see. Quote:
You know, though ... for me Idolm@ster was not primarily a moe anime per se. For me it was more slice of life'ish. But regardless of the % priority wise in terms of "hierarchical evaluation" of what it was, I found myself not only liking the charas but also being involved in the stories of each individually and as a whole "unit". There were some I felt got the short end of the stick (notable the Ami/Mami duo and Hibiki), but overall I found myself liking all the other "mini-arcs"). Quote:
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I also like the analogy of a "wanting to protect the charas" somehow, simply b/c I feel this is a gut reaction many of us have towards anything we find endearing. I certainly know I often do. But I certainly do agree with you that if the charas are not engaging (in any anime genre, let alone moe) then I am prolly not going to be interested in the story itself or the anime as a whole. All that being said, I am hopeful that the main charas in Tari Tari will not just come across as moe, but will be equally engaging and be mutually supported by a convincingly written (and presented) story line.
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