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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 6 Rating
Perfect 10 26 21.67%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 29 24.17%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 35 29.17%
7 out of 10 : Good 20 16.67%
6 out of 10 : Average 8 6.67%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.83%
4 out of 10 : Poor 1 0.83%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2011-11-05, 20:58   Link #41
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BTW why are the characters in Fate Zero obsessed with walking around the people their talking to?
Perhaps a little symbolic showing how the said people are being controlled/manipulated by that person (Kotomine by his father and Tokiomi, Archibald by his wife).

Also an excuse for more movement I suppose considering talking has so little movement.
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Old 2011-11-05, 21:02   Link #42
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We can't have everyone running around getting killed several times, now can we?
I see what you did there.
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Old 2011-11-05, 21:17   Link #43
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Archibald by his wife.
Wait, those two are married? I thought they were just really close friends/co-workers.
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Old 2011-11-05, 21:20   Link #44
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A direct confrontation is not the only way battles are won, but proper reconnaissance, or information gathering is also a must. And where is Waver and Rider in this episode, they are needed to lighten the mood!
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Old 2011-11-05, 21:20   Link #45
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Wait, those two are married? I thought they were just eally close friends/co-workers.
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Old 2011-11-05, 21:25   Link #46
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A direct confrontation is not the only way battles are won, but proper reconnaissance, or information gathering is also a must. And where is Waver and Rider in this episode, they are needed to lighten the mood!
Everyone is still adjusting to Rider's massive amounts of GAR each week, so they decided to give us a breather?
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Old 2011-11-05, 21:26   Link #47
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So we really are going to have this "I came to see action only!" silliness every time a fully plot oriented episode comes around? *sigh*

Anyway, last week I sort of complained about the lack of developments concerning the main Master rivalry in F/Z, aka Kiritsugu and Kotomine, so naturally I was quite pleased to see it finally be the centre of attention in this excellent episode.

To get the detracting aspects out the way first, it sucks that we'll have to wait until the DVD/Blu-ray releases to be able to see Caster and his Master's works of art instead of some boring old columns (at least, that's what I'm hoping happens). Also, the art wasn't up to par with the first five episodes, with the characters' models being considerably less detailed, unfortunately. But I guess that's the price to pay for those superbly animated action sequences last week.

Interesting dynamic going on in the Archibald household there. Lancer's loyalty is commendable, but despite his good intentions I feel he might arouse resentment more than anything in his Master if he keeps on (possibly inadvertently) seducing his apparent wife like that.

Kiritsugu's Magus Killer side shined through in full glory there. Just as Archibald was done hyping up his intricate and throughout magical protections, everything goes to hell with the least magical means possible. Priceless stuff.

That's where things got really interesting, thanks in no small part to the appearance of Kotomine, who even screenwriter Gen Urobuchi highlighted as the one whose development in F/Z F/SN fans should be looking forward to the most. And this episode's definitely off to a very promising start. His quick exchange with Maiya was very thrilling, but the most interesting part was definitely how Kotomine claimed the encounter to have been worthwhile despite his prey's escape, simply due to having been able to witness Kiritsugu seemingly come to her rescue.

But his long yet so good it felt short conversation with Gilgamesh did even more for his character. And probably for Gil's as well, seeing how apparently many Fate/ newbies took the king of heroes for a rather one dimensional character incapable of anything but haughtiness, assumptions which he's effectively dispelled with this particular scene. I can't quite get into why I found said conversation so interesting without F/SN spoilers though, so I suppose I might save more detailed input on it for later in that one more appropriate thread. Still, it was quite the enjoyable philosophical exchange which perfectly illustrated Kotomine's poignant life dilemma and the influence Gilgamesh appears to be interested in exerting upon it.

All in all, a great character-driven episode, every bit as good as more action-driven ones.
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Old 2011-11-05, 21:27   Link #48
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Actually...the MMO was recently announced as being un-cancelled

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Considering how OP a lot of the servants were revealed to be, I'm not sure how well it'll translate into a MMO without it being horribly unbalanced:

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Old 2011-11-05, 21:32   Link #49
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Actually...the MMO was recently announced as being un-cancelled
It could theoretically "just" be the PS3 game that was mentioned a handful of months back. Just because it was once going to be an MMO doesn't mean it still will be.
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Old 2011-11-05, 22:27   Link #50
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Damn. That was a gorgeous episode. It's like they're increasing their budget as the show progresses. Even the sitting around and talking bits were gorgeous, even better than Episode One.

It seems too early for Archibald to really have eaten it in the building. On the other hand, I am really hoping the whole Saber needs to deal with Lancer subplot doesn't get stretched out for the entire season.
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Old 2011-11-05, 22:36   Link #51
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Don't we hear Archibald in the preview for 07?
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Old 2011-11-05, 23:08   Link #52
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It wasn't bad, although that explosion looked pretty underwhelming. My favorite part is the start when Irisviel drives around like a nut and Saber's reacting so funny. And the Caster parts were not bad too.

The rest of the episode... umm, I guess we get more insight into Kotomine. And whatever the other guy was when he was bragging for his defenses.

Although this anime overall seems to have a bit too much posturing, and interestingly, I'd like to know more about Emiya; he isn't doing anything for me atm. Gilgamesh is kinda lol.

I give this episode a 6/10. It does its work as an in-between episode, but little else.
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Old 2011-11-05, 23:13   Link #53
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That was a good anime episode. A decent watch to be sure.

But by Fate/Zero's high standards, it made it the weakest episode thus far, imo.


There were elements I liked a lot, though. I honestly loved how "all-out" the Kiritsugu/Kayneath conflict was. Blowing up an entire high-rise building to take out one master/servant duo... I just have to admire how deliciously over-the-top that is.

I also liked the Kayneath trio, and their conversation. Kayneath showed a little bit of charisma in this episode, and that was nice to see.


However, this episode shows once more just how important the Rider/Waver combo is to this show. I don't think it's any coincidence that when they're given an episode off, the overall balance of the show feels a bit off.

The thing is that most of the masters and servants are very careful and precise in everything that they do and say, and that's fine. But it's good to have a lively chaos factor to balance out with that, and this is what Rider/Waver provide in flying colors. With them not around, the overall atmosphere and mood feels a bit too sedate, a bit too comfortable/relaxed.

It's pretty telling that in an episode where a building gets dramatically blown up in glorious style, my final impression is one of feeling like I just sleepily drank a nice cup of tea.

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I thought this episode, while good, had a very weird structure/pacing - wtf @ putting 7 minutes of talking at the end of an episode... It started good, had a good middle and then ended with a whimper (no matter how interesting that dialogue would seem it was no way to end an episode).
Bingo. Exactly my take as well.

That was solid dialogue, but it's not the best way to end an anime episode, imo.


Still, it was a good episode overall, as I said before. 7/10 for me.
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Old 2011-11-05, 23:24   Link #54
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driver seat on the left, high speed driving on the left side of the road? np np

ep1 ends with an orgasmic summon scene
ep2 ends with Gilgamesh being OP
ep3 ends with an impending fight between Lancer and Saber
ep4 ends with the introduction of Santa
ep5 ends with a the conclusion of one massive brawl.

In comparison the ending for ep6 does seen a bit lackluster, however I never once feel that the episode dragged on. That explosion trick kind of surprised me a bit, but was obvious in retrospective given Kiritsugu's character. Kind of lame that they had to censor the chamber scene, hopefully the BD will be out soon enough so I can witness the distorted side of Urobuchi's mind again.
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Old 2011-11-05, 23:28   Link #55
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driving bit seemed out of place, but subtlety hilarious, especially with the minute expressions on Saber's face. It would be too easy for Archibald to die that way. though that's crazy that Kirei decided to do it that way.

Also, Kotomine is pretty badass himself. i can't wait for the inevitable showdown between the two.
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Old 2011-11-05, 23:35   Link #56
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That was solid dialogue, but it's not the best way to end an anime episode, imo.
There was a lot of talking in this episode but then it was so much Seki Tomokazu that I just cannot complain.


I did miss Rider & Waver though.
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Old 2011-11-05, 23:45   Link #57
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Caster is a total head case.
Still don't get why he thinks Saber is Jeanne D'Arc?
There's still too much strategizing going on and too little fighting.
So far Fate/Stay Night was better.
Well yeah if your comparing Fate stay night(all 3 routes) it is. But Fate/Zero just started. Atleast it's much much MUCH better then the FSN anime already.
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Old 2011-11-06, 00:01   Link #58
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The thing is that most of the masters and servants are very careful and precise in everything that they do and say, and that's fine. But it's good to have a lively chaos factor to balance out with that, and this is what Rider/Waver provide in flying colors. With them not around, the overall atmosphere and mood feels a bit too sedate, a bit too comfortable/relaxed.
I'd say this week's dose of chaos was brought to you by the Caster/Ryounosuke pair that filled in for Rider/Waver.A completely different kind of chaos from the Rider/Waver pair but chaos nevertheless.

Though of course due to censoring they couldn't really shine in their full glory,the BD will fix that.

edit:and come on,can you feel confortable/relaxed when Irisviel is at the wheel?
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Old 2011-11-06, 00:02   Link #59
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Episode is okay, but it does give foreshadowing on Kiritsugu, Kotomine, and Gilgamesh later on. Kind of give what changes later on to F/SN. You can see that Kiritsugu and Kotomine are slowly changing anyway from what they actually do. Highly doubt Lancer and his master Archibald is killed immediately.
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Old 2011-11-06, 00:12   Link #60
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I'd say this week's dose of chaos was brought to you by the Caster/Ryounosuke pair that filled in for Rider/Waver.A completely different kind of chaos from the Rider/Waver pair but chaos nevertheless.
Actually, I don't find them that chaotic. Part of what makes Rider/Waver chaotic is the contrast between them. The Caster pair don't have that, as they're more or less on the same wavelength.

Plus, Caster has a refined polite dialogue style much like almost every other master and servant has. What makes Rider stand out isn't just what he says, but how he says it.


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edit:and come on,can you feel confortable/relaxed when Irisviel is at the wheel?
That was a good way to kick off the episode. However, it ended on a much different note.
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