2009-09-29, 05:10 | Link #2284 |
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After reading through episode 4 again Kanon has become my number one most suspicious person.
Regarding his death: -His corpse has never been found by the detective. -In episode 2 when Beatrice was in Jessica’s room she said, “Kanon was killed in this room”. This could have happened during the events of episode 2 or it could have happened years before. No exact time is specified. -It is confirmed in episodes 2, 3, and 4 that Kanon is dead. Again, no time is specified. -Beatrice said, “Among the five people in Kyrie's group, he was the first to die. In short, he was the 9th victim”. She gave this detailed red text because Battler was not able to locate Kanon’s corpse and began to suspect that Kanon was the culprit. Beatrice guaranteed his death in red to eliminate that line of thought. The strange part is that this was not said to meta-Battler but instead Beatrice was trying to whisper it to piece Battler. Beatrice knew it wouldn’t reach piece Battler’s ears. A red line in the game where one character says it and no one hears it is like Ryukishi giving a clue directly to the reader. So this can be interpreted a few ways including: Possibility 1) He was the ninth person to die on Rokkenjima on October 4, 1986. Possibility 2) Out of a five person group that included Kyrie, “Kanon” was the first one to die but that event occurred sometime in the past. There were eight other victims before him. Regarding his appearance: -Beatrice also said, “They definitely would not mistake any different person for Kanon”. “They” meant Shannon, Gohda, and Genji. Battler then responded with, “Then, just like the heredity of Kinzo's name, there is a possibility that Kanon's name was inherited by someone. You could suppose that Kanon-kun was killed, a different person succeeded that name, and that this person attacked them”. Beatrice didn’t even try to respond to that. Regarding his name: Lamdadelta said, “The only one who can claim Kanon's name is the person himself. A different person cannot claim his name”. She said it to Bernkastel while making fun of Battler’s attempt to explain how the murders were done. It’s likely a red line that Lambda would have used if she would have been in Beatrice’s place. However, this red line could have been deceptively worded for the purpose of tricking Battler and can be interpreted a few ways including: Possibility 1) No one else can use the name Kanon. Possibility 2) His real name is not known and his real name cannot be claimed by anyone else. However, the name “Kanon” can be used by others or could have been used by someone in the past. Given all this you can almost make the theory: the person who is using the name Kanon has never died on the game board. A person named Kanon died sometime in the past. Here is what prevents that theory from episode 2 said by Beatrice to Battler: No one exists in this room except all of you. All of you refers to Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, and Shannon When Jessica's corpse was discovered, only Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo were in Jessica's room Jessica is also included Therefore, both in the case of Jessica's room and the case in this servants' room, no humans exist that are you were not aware of A possible way to counter this is with the theory: The person who uses the name Kanon also uses the name Shannon. He also disguises as Shannon for the purpose of providing an alibi for Sayo when she disguises as Beatrice. The person named Sayo also uses the name Shannon but is not the same person as Kanon. However, that would probably be countered by... Spoiler for Episode 5:
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2009-09-29, 11:21 | Link #2286 |
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Said rule does not make sense on account of Maria receiving the letter from Beatrice, nor a few situations of a "dead" person being recognized...post-mortum as living. While the post dead scenes can either be entirely fake (or lies), the letter to Maria is still in question, as Maria claims it was Beatrice. She could also be lying, but seems very insistant on it being "Beatrice".
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2009-09-29, 12:09 | Link #2287 |
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Excellent point, I agree. Since someone might be appearing as Beatrice in front of Maria and people that are supposed to be dead are being recognized as alive this is the clue that someone is using a disguise.
So that rule was never blocking the theory, thank you for reminding me.
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2009-09-29, 12:15 | Link #2288 | |
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Oh and yea, Lambda's going to be upset again. lol
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2009-09-29, 14:42 | Link #2291 |
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Adding some fuel to the "evil George and Shannon power couple" theory, from episode 1's beach scene:
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2009-09-29, 14:54 | Link #2292 | |
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Shannon seems especially suspicious after EP5 (unless all of the things meant to make her look suspicious are red herrings), and George is still a mystery all together to me. I wouldn't be surprised if they were both planning something together.
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2009-09-29, 15:35 | Link #2293 | |
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Spoiler for Shannon in episode 5:
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2009-09-29, 15:55 | Link #2294 | |
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Well, come to think of it, him asking Hideyoshi about a ring suddenly becomes a lot less sad if you think he might have asked Shannon to use that for a convincing trick on a fake corpse. |
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2009-09-30, 20:52 | Link #2296 | |
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Also, we've seen in previous games that the entire 'forbidden romance' might not nearly be as forbidden as one would think. Hideyoshi didn't object at all about it, during EP 1 in the shed, even though he DID figure out that George gave Shannon the ring. And then in EP 2 Rudolf just brushes off everything he hears about George practicing his proposal and even wishes him good luck with it. Plus why would George and Shannon need to kill everyone that doesn't approve of their relationship, it seems kinda crazy |
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2009-09-30, 21:01 | Link #2297 | |
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"What, you love a filthy servant? I forbid it! I don't ever want to see you with her again!"...would obviously accomplish a lot
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2009-09-30, 21:10 | Link #2298 |
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I doubt romance is the motive for Shannon... it seems too obvious to me. If she loves George, then legally she's able to marry him and live as his wife and so on. If she's going to murder or take part in murdering a bunch of people, she needs a solid reason.
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2009-09-30, 21:29 | Link #2299 | |
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2009-09-30, 23:59 | Link #2300 | |
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Also in ep4 Kyrie and Krauss didn't seem to object that much about George and Shannon's relationship. I think nobody would really care except Eva.
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