2008-03-05, 02:46 | Link #741 |
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It would be rejected.
It fires a solid mass slug. And this slug is intended to deal the damage. That falls under the TSAB banned premise of 'using physical mass to inflict damage on an enemy'. You encase it in magic so it will snap a hole in a barrier, which is a good mechanism to work with from a purely intelligent, technical standpoint, but... that just makes it an 'armor piercing' (Barrier piercing) round... it's still using mass based solid projectile mechanism to do the damage. That would make it banned under TSAB regulation and would require either some insane permit (It's insane just to get permits for using mass weapons merely in experimental systems tests in the middle of the ocean...), an act of plot, or the user working outside the law (and subject to repercussions unless they're against the TSAB, which probably makes them a villain.) That makes it no more than a magic reinforced 9mm pistol. I suggest a change in mechanics if you want an effective shot weapon. And Really... tshouryuu, you underestimate me. |
2008-03-05, 02:50 | Link #742 |
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I tend to give the TSAB credit when they're corroborated by the actual show (and, heh, less when they ain't.) They've got a lively respect for Jewel Seeds; well, the show gives us plenty of reason to believe them. Huge tree. Seed go boom in Nanoha and Fate's face, smashing up otherwise-pretty-tough RH and Bardiche (and their users, a little...) Big-ass storm. Fate's hand injuries, just trying to pick one up without the proper seal on, and presumably she knew what she was doing!
Even the silly effects (kitty!) only underscore that they're randomly dangerous. All that said, I'm not convinced that we're looking at actual Jewel Seeds in the gadgets, shards or no. I'd have to go over the translation of that scene more carefully (and frankly, technical Japanese is not my strong point - I leave that to others who actually do get paid for it, heh.) Somehow I'd prefer to believe that they're not THE Jewel Seeds, or chunks of 'em, but Jewel-Seed-like fragments. We can assume that the TSAB has the Seeds available to study and that Scag had access to the results of their research (and, hey, he's a mad genius!) But if they're actual little fragments of Jewel Seed, then their supply is quite finite, especially compared with the huge number of gadgets we see flying around (and their utterly disposable nature). If there wasn't a means to make as many more of them as he wanted, I can't see Jail throwing them away like that, and that argues against "irreplaceable physical component". Get someone to license Strikers, I'll go subtitle it and get back to you. ;p |
2008-03-05, 02:51 | Link #743 | |
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2008-03-05, 02:56 | Link #744 | |
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And hey, I still say he can make at least 1,000,000 Drones with just one jewel judging from the estimated size, and not like he needs Drones anymore if he really took over Mid-childa, since he can finally do a wide-spread genetic cloning/base-forming and have hundreds of cyborgs in a few years time.
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2008-03-05, 03:06 | Link #745 |
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Well if I were to do a diagram, maybe that would help explain how my cartridges work.
_____ <|__|__| 1 2 3 1: Obviously the bullet 2: The compressed energy 3: The gunpowder, which reacts with the energy, creating not only the explosive force launching the bullet, but then also releasing the energy inside, resulting in boost of power. However, since my desired concept is actually for armour piercing, it would be illegal anyways, but TSAB standards, right?
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That's another perfectly acceptable end to this question, but now it isn't too different from my construction. The main point is that the Jewel Seed is not necessarily as h3xx in power as is commonly assumed from dialogue with unknown context and images apparently pulled from imagination. I weaken the estimate of spacetime fabric strength, you grab extra power from god knows where. As for the power output of the Jewels, they were already in the bouzou range, so you can hardly say they aren't doing their best or working up (not to mention if they are working up by orders of magnitude, so should the intensity of the quake as they shake the dimensions harder and harder, but there seems no sign of this). Quote:
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By the way, why do you think the Arcenciel necessarily does not open a hole? We know it is called some kind of spatial distortion cannon, but if space is merely distorted without breaking, the matter that is the enemy will remain at the end as the distortion is removed- it may be twisted around or even scattered, but it should still be there. But if a hole is opened via high-distortion, then there is a place for the matter to go and it'll be eliminated (消滅) from 3D space. In fact, when the Arc blasted the BoD, we briefly saw what looked very much like a green voidspace, which then closed. It is quite reasonable that there was a hole, but it was zipped up. Going further to the sides, the convenience of interdimensional transport also supports the fact that punching holes in spacetime is relatively easy. (BTW, when Chrono ships came out in Ep26, it looks like they came out through holes in spacetime as well, which they apparently closed after themselves). |
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Which equates to world-destroying ability how. That's the problem with them. Yes, they are pretty impressive, but as shown they just aren't destroying the world. Either there is something funny w/ the way they'll do so (misunderstanding of context on our part), or the characters are ... wrong. Quote:
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2008-03-05, 03:24 | Link #748 | |
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I would find it funny though if one day someone challanged nanoha to a fight, and just shot her Indiana Jones style with a tranq gun. NANOHA: Wha- @.@ *THUD!* Zzzz... RANDOM EXTRA 1: "Well that was easy... Hey Ed, how bid a dose of chlorpromazine was IN that thing?" |
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2008-03-05, 03:33 | Link #749 | |
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I mean Vita would just have to go in and shatter the shield, and then Signum goes in for the kill :3 Granted it's not their character, but that's the essence of what I want to achieve with my device.
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2008-03-05, 03:34 | Link #750 | |
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May not seem like a big deal, but when the fabric of spacetime is 'disturbed'... "Bad Things"™ happen. And if you happen to maybe RIP the fabric. Well, things that exist IN the spacetime that ripped don't fare all too well. I would rather not have the fabric of space rip while I'm occupying it, it does rather unpleasant things to the atomic structure of my body, like subject it to irregular physical stresses the likes of which you find at the center of the sun. And that really HURRRRTS! |
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2008-03-05, 03:48 | Link #751 | |
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The rationale behind the law isn't really that well thought out really. Just as one simple example, what is Arcenciel if not a weapon that can be operated by a child? Still, it is a brilliant plot device - it keeps logical weapons like high velocity bullets out of the picture. Just understand that Midchildrans are very very brainwashed and don't really see the illogic and hypocrisies of their policy, and you'll do fine. |
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2008-03-05, 03:53 | Link #752 | |
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Thank you for the tip off. My hat's off to you :3
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2008-03-05, 04:34 | Link #754 |
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Don't remind me. It took ages of busting to get you to nerf the max velocity to 850m/s from 2km/s. *sighs*
Regarding physical weapons, current OC understanding (this ain't quite the right word, but it's the best I can come up with atm) is that usage of slug throwers is kept to either criminals or the OFM, who are TSAB black ops (Delta Force/SEALs/ODST/The Unit/Mutter-effing Halo) and have to lock up their guns when not on mission/training. Although the way Alpha is heading, I wouldn't be surprised if the OFM lost their guns at the end of things...
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This means that you were right that not all Lost Logia are dangerous. It also helps explain some things I was wondering about, like why Hayate was allowed to fly around with a Lost Logia. It does not, however, make the Jewel Seeds harmless. In fact, it helps debunk your theory that the characters were talking about the destroyed worlds out of paranoia. Obviously they are very much aware on how powerfull various types of Lost Logia are, which means that if they say Jewel Seeds can destroy the world, they can. |
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2008-03-05, 04:41 | Link #756 | |
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2008-03-05, 05:20 | Link #759 |
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Speaking of dimensional yada yadas, what does the event in the end of S1 where Yuuno cannot return to Mid-childa for a few months due to some sort of dimensional 'whatizit' consider itself to be anyway? Instability?
If dimension dislocation and instability runs in the same veins, doesn't that pretty much just mean the destruction of highways that connect worlds?
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