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0 kelvin · 2013-04-09, 08:05

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Ichihara Asako · 2013-04-09, 08:24

No. Not in either form of 3D (though all anime the past decade has been CGI, some of which has used 3D animation, to various levels of effect, generally not well) but if you're talking about stereoscopic 3D, no. Absolutely not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BugtEW7ME90

SeijiSensei · 2013-04-09, 08:28

Anime studios can barely afford to produce the shows they release today. 3D would break the bank. Some series already incorporate occasional 3D models like Satelight's Noein and AKB0048. Most of the time I find it jarring. Plus I enjoy 2D animation for the art form that it is. Background artwork is often one of the most appealing features of anime. I suspect that 3D would shift the emphasis even further to character models and downplay the other visual elements.

I presume you are talking about 3D in the Pixar sense. If you mean 3DTV, I think that's generally a pretty dumb idea. I don't need to see athletes standing on my living room rug. 3D works better in theatres where the surroundings do not distract from the immersion effect.

NoemiChan · 2013-04-09, 08:52

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Would it be cool to have anime in 3D, celshaded?

Never!!! Never ever!!! Anime is anime because its 2D.

totoum · 2013-04-09, 09:04

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Originally Posted by 0 kelvin

Would it be cool to have anime in 3D, celshaded?

These might interest you:

Re:Cyborg 009

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Black Rock Shooter's TV anime used CGI for its action sequences as well as the OP

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The afterschool midnighters movie was pretty much like dreamworks on crack

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https://youtu.be/0t9DLuOZgxY

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And we've got captain harlock coming out soon

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https://youtu.be/Cga66fDoWlA

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Oh and both jojo Oenings were quite cool:

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Kanon · 2013-04-09, 10:08

You should watch Freedom (OVA series) if you haven't. Characters and vehicles were animated entirely in 3D.

Master Assassin · 2013-04-09, 11:02

Another example to observe.

scineram · 2013-04-09, 12:11

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Princess

Triple_R · 2013-04-09, 12:18

I generally prefer the 2D look myself. That being said, the celshaded 3D approach is nice every now and then, particularly for specific purposes. Yes, it worked very well in the Jojo's Openings, imo.

DXMichael · 2013-04-09, 13:53

Kingdom was an ok anime that had 3D aspects. At the start the 3D wasn't that great, but later into the anime it really improved to the point that you didn't even notice it anymore.

Hiroi Sekai · 2013-04-09, 14:41

The whole 3D panning movements I've seen thus far (such as in BRS TV and Love Live) feel very awkward to me. It often transitions between that and traditional 2D as well, so it's even more jarring.

What I call 2D/3D (panning around a 2D shot, eg: camera rotation around Chitanda Eru in Hyouka EP1) is splendid when done right. I feel like that's the perfect medium, at least at the moment.

Vexx · 2013-04-09, 18:52

Some of the appeal to anime for me is the 2D art itself, whether it be simulating detailed movement in some series, the use of light to create the illusion of depth, or even the wild ass avant garde cut'n'paste of some of Shinbo's stuff. 2d 360 pans can be spectacular.

I'm still not convinced 3d is "here to stay", but for something like Appleseed it makes a lot of sense.

NoemiChan · 2013-04-09, 18:55

3d was made in attempt to merge 2d with realism..... but that won't exactly fit anime... anime ain't reality in the first place but can be achieve anytime with a skilled artist and budget...

Marly · 2013-04-09, 19:10

I honestly don't see what 3D animation accomplishes that 2D animation doesn't.

Vexx · 2013-04-09, 19:45

The main advantage I can think of with 3d animation is that the tools can be layered on top of each other to the point where, in the near future, one might be able to design characters like in an RPG, and give natural language direction and dialog scripts to create your own episodes.

I would love to have something like that to animate my fiction writing into video.

Marly · 2013-04-09, 19:50

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The main advantage I can think of with 3d animation is that the tools can be layered on top of each other to the point where, in the near future, one might be able to design characters like in an RPG, and give natural language direction and dialog scripts to create your own episodes.

I would love to have something like that to animate my fiction writing into video.

That's just production/customization convenience. It doesn't really affect the viewing experience of the audience.

Vexx · 2013-04-09, 20:11

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That's just production/customization convenience. It doesn't really affect the viewing experience of the audience.

heh, you asked "what it accomplished", you didn't specify for who. But yes, that's the only advantage I can think of (the ease of storytelling).

For the audience, '3d' can actually be distracting. If you've seen the "toilet paper bear" commercials, they've gone 3d and it is actually a even creepier now.

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***relentlessflame*** · 2013-04-09, 20:59

I guess a key question is whether the original poster meant "3D" as in "using CG to animate 3D objects" (in which case a lot of anime already does this, at least in part), or "3D" as in wear the glasses and things are popping-out of your monitor/TV and slapping you in the face (

). I suppose it's unlikely you'd have the latter without using CG, though, because the costs of 3D compositing would be too high for something hand-drawn. (I think it probably has been done, though, and cel-shading has definitely been getting better.)

(Looks like he just meant CG, as opposed to audience-facing 3D.)

Kyuu · 2013-04-09, 21:14

If anyone wants to know what Japan would do with pure CG animation -- just look at the video games.

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I honestly don't see what 3D animation accomplishes that 2D animation doesn't.

More realistic looking characters.

EDIT: And oh, imagine hentai being done in CG. XD

Triple_R · 2013-04-09, 21:20

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Originally Posted by Marly

I honestly don't see what 3D animation accomplishes that 2D animation doesn't.

I think 3D can be a nice way of "jazzing up" certain important scenes in an otherwise 2D show. I'm probably in the minority here, but I honestly liked how 3D was used in Love Live!, for example.

But I do hope that anime remains predominantly 2D.

2D is increasingly getting pushed out by 3D in the west, so I'd like for anime to continue to embrace 2D as the most commonly used form of animation. I'd absolutely hate to see classic 2D animation disappear entirely.

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SeijiSensei AS Oji-kun Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 74	Anime studios can barely afford to produce the shows they release today. 3D would break the bank. Some series already incorporate occasional 3D models like Satelight's Noein and AKB0048. Most of the time I find it jarring. Plus I enjoy 2D animation for the art form that it is. Background artwork is often one of the most appealing features of anime. I suspect that 3D would shift the emphasis even further to character models and downplay the other visual elements. I presume you are talking about 3D in the Pixar sense. If you mean 3DTV, I think that's generally a pretty dumb idea. I don't need to see athletes standing on my living room rug. 3D works better in theatres where the surroundings do not distract from the immersion effect. __________________ Taking Anime Seriously - Politics by the Numbers - Sports by the Numbers - MAL List - Avatars - Images

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Triple_R Senior Member Author Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Age: 42	I generally prefer the 2D look myself. That being said, the celshaded 3D approach is nice every now and then, particularly for specific purposes. Yes, it worked very well in the Jojo's Openings, imo. __________________

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Ichihara Asako Horoist Join Date: Oct 2007	No. Not in either form of 3D (though all anime the past decade has been CGI, some of which has used 3D animation, to various levels of effect, generally not well) but if you're talking about stereoscopic 3D, no. Absolutely not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BugtEW7ME90

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scineram Member Join Date: Aug 2011	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Princess

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DXMichael Psycho Falling Deep Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: The Anime World Age: 29	Kingdom was an ok anime that had 3D aspects. At the start the 3D wasn't that great, but later into the anime it really improved to the point that you didn't even notice it anymore. __________________

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Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Some of the appeal to anime for me is the 2D art itself, whether it be simulating detailed movement in some series, the use of light to create the illusion of depth, or even the wild ass avant garde cut'n'paste of some of Shinbo's stuff. 2d 360 pans can be spectacular. I'm still not convinced 3d is "here to stay", but for something like Appleseed it makes a lot of sense. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

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NoemiChan Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philippines Age: 36	3d was made in attempt to merge 2d with realism..... but that won't exactly fit anime... anime ain't reality in the first place but can be achieve anytime with a skilled artist and budget...

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Marly >AS Join Date: Oct 2009	I honestly don't see what 3D animation accomplishes that 2D animation doesn't.

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Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	The main advantage I can think of with 3d animation is that the tools can be layered on top of each other to the point where, in the near future, one might be able to design characters like in an RPG, and give natural language direction and dialog scripts to create your own episodes. I would love to have something like that to animate my fiction writing into video. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

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*relentlessflame* 　 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 41	I guess a key question is whether the original poster meant "3D" as in "using CG to animate 3D objects" (in which case a lot of anime already does this, at least in part), or "3D" as in wear the glasses and things are popping-out of your monitor/TV and slapping you in the face ( ). I suppose it's unlikely you'd have the latter without using CG, though, because the costs of 3D compositing would be too high for something hand-drawn. (I think it probably has been done, though, and cel-shading has definitely been getting better.) (Looks like he just meant CG, as opposed to audience-facing 3D.) __________________ [...]