2007-11-26, 06:24 | Link #561 |
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I think the most telling part of the fight is that Teresa won. Both times. Yes she didn't detect the last minute deception and let her guard down while trying to help Priscilla die as a human. Bad call. She didn't expect the girl begging for death to suddenly change her mind. But Teresa beat down Priscilla without releasing very much of her youki. I think that the reason Teresa wasn't sure about beating Priscilla the next time was because it would end up like the fight between Isley and Luciella; nuclear youki war. Teresa's strength has now become Clare's, and it tore Rigald into lion confetti . |
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In other words Priscilla had alot more going then just 80-100%, its more like 80-100% with about 200% of unusable (at the time) energy. In other words; she had for more energy then she had a right to. Quote:
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I believe if Teresa and Priscilla fought at a later date then their fight would have been very similar, with an unknown outcome. and we all know that Clare has inherited Teresa's haxxor skills She just has yet to actually realize that potential.
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2007-11-26, 10:35 | Link #563 | |
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What would have happened if Priscilla didn't flip out and withdrew was the 2nd battle between Count Dooku and an older, more experienced Anakin in SW Ep III. Sorry if no one gets the Star Wars references.
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2007-11-26, 13:13 | Link #564 | |
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But no more star wars references :P
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2007-11-26, 13:26 | Link #565 | |
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Rigardo trying to kill miria and helen Rigardo: You're in the way. Trying to attack from a distance. Rigardo: Sorry, that won't work again. This time you couldn't save her. Clare managed to control somehow her legs and gets in the gap between Rigardo and Miria/Helen Rigardo: Wha...? How did she bring this insane speed under her control? Clare: Not enought... more ... more. More Power. Rigardo: Wha...? This little... Helen: Clare!! Clare: Not enough still not enough. MORE POWER! Helen: Stop it, don't go any further Clare. Clare: Killing Flora, killing jean...how dare you? Rigardo: You realized the single one way to defeat me. An awakening of all 4 limbs Superb!
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2007-11-26, 14:35 | Link #566 | |
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Even if she had 400% more, Teresa could still go higher I believe. |
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2007-11-26, 15:05 | Link #567 |
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What Fenrir is saying is that even at the 80+% release Priscilla was still using just a small fraction of her available power. That's believable. It's just that that doesn't mean that Teresa didn't have even much more under the hood that she could have fought back with. While Priscilla kept hidden what the org estimated surpassed Teresa, Teresa also kept hidden something beyond the org's estimation. Priscilla could have brought everything she had and Teresa would still have an answer that is on a conservative scale.
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2007-11-26, 15:11 | Link #568 | |
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As for this untapped potential you're constantly mentioning Fenrir_valindri, I've already posted my response page earlier. I will only add that every AB are holding their energy back and unless it's necessary they're not overusing it. The difference between others and Prisicilla was that she had much more power than average AB. I would appreciate if You could quote exact words which indicate that Priscilla didn't realize her latent potential. However You would interpret Extra Chapter 3, Priscilla just after killing Teresa and just before owning Isley were two totally different persons. When she obliterated him she used full power, so what ? She didn't last long using it and that's what counts. Call it weak mind or whatever, but the result was the same as exhaustion of AB youki. Also Teresa wasn't even close to 100% when she showed her power. What I don't understand either is why are You assuming that experience had that much of a difference. If Priscilla was a prodigy and had stronger yoma powers, no matter how experienced Teresa was she couldn't have owned her the way she did. Prisiclla wasn't even close to her skills. What's more Teresa didn't have experience fighting powerful adversaries, from what we know besides Rosemary she killed only small fries so her experience would be of no use against "the claymore with potential greater than hers". Prisiclla's power was on a completely different level, nonetheless Teresa instantly adapted to her skills and played with her. |
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2007-11-26, 16:07 | Link #569 | |
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Ultimately, this all will just culminate into the eternal struggle of finesse vs. raw power. Teresa and Priscilla are actually the very best example for this sort of predicament, since both of them carry those aspects within them, yet one can see a rather clear disposition towards one of those for each of them respectively. Teresa being a much more refined, not to say virtually unmatched, conventional swordfighter with a great amount of youki to empower her extraordinary skills even further. Priscilla, bearing a superior amount of youki within herself while still being a very capable swordfighter. In a sense, they are not complete polar opposites, really, since both of them can still muster an overwhelming amount of talent in their respective "shortcomings". Teresa can still fight equally with Priscilla even when she'd already apply a considerable amount of her own youki into her attacks, which is, of course, because she's a better conventional fighter, coupled with her own inate ability of youki-reading. At some point, however, even Teresa would have to apply a certain amount of her own youki to counteract Priscillas superior raw power, lest she'd risk to get worn out with the passage of time and blows she'd have to take. That amount, however, will always be less than the amount that Priscilla will have to spend. As it would seem, Teresa is actually a much more economical fighter on the whole spectrum, since Priscilla would always cross the border long before Teresa does. I don't think that much would change if both of them would have become AB, it would still have been the same principle to how they actually carry themselves in a duell. Add to that, that there's no certainty that Claymore Teresa couldn't have beaten Priscilla post-transformation. My bet will always remain on skill/finesse on the long run, if we are talking about what will be the dominant factor in a match. Yet, even finesse will have to be backed up by strength at some point, especially if your opponent can tap into a large reserve of youki, like Priscilla. None of those "extremes" are infallible however. There are too many unknowns and distractions/interferences that can change the tides of an already clear victory. Especially if both opponents are roughly considered equivalent in capabilities. Sometimes, it will not be skill or power which will decide the outcome of a match, but a chance surge of emotions that will put either one out of balance. For the record, i don't believe in luck or fate, but rather in circumstances. |
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It is obvious that her mental block still existed up till Extra Chapter 3, as she was being dominated by Isley, and then suddenly obliterates half his body. She was clearly stronger then Rigaldo, but weaker then an Abyssal One at this point, but after getting amnesia (courtesy of Isley) her level of power suddenly shoots up. Just because Priscilla went berserk against Teresa does not mean she is suddenly able to get past her own subconcious block. Quote:
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2007-11-26, 19:45 | Link #571 |
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I think it's safe to assume Teresa was using approximately 10% Youki against Priscilla.
Ilena: “I don’t believe it! Teresa repelled Priscilla’s massive strength…using just enough Youki for her eye color to change. That’s the true nature…of Teresa’s strength.” [Vol. 5, Ch. 23, Pg. 49] |
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Don't count me as one of those who underestimate finesse in favor of raw power. The simple notion I hold to is that Teresa had much much more of BOTH than did Priscilla. Want to discuss things that are obvious? The weakness I find in arguing for Priscilla is that one has to reach and make excuses about why she didn't fare so well. On the other hand, arguing for Teresa is easy. In a situation where anyone else would have been at a great disadvantage having to face a group consisting of the 4 strongest warriors after herself, one of them was said to have the "potential" to be better whose inherent gift nullifies her own, and that group led by a fine warrior who possessed an effectively lethal attack and is acknowledged to be one of the best tacticians around, Teresa on the merits of her fighting ability easily won! Well, until she lost, having been misled into thinking that the fight was over (though she was not without fault for letting her guard down). Last edited by khryoleoz; 2007-11-26 at 22:21. |
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2007-11-26, 21:48 | Link #574 |
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We would just have to see if Clare could defeat Priscilla eventually. Clare who inherited Teresa power will be a good gauge to see if Teresa could have won.
I personally believe Teresa to be the strongest. When they say potential, it is just that, merely potential. Who is to say Teresa wouldn't grow stronger even as Priscilla grows stonger. Teresa softheartedness will probably be a handicap though. (And it did killed her) The fact is she did won in a straight fight. |
2007-11-26, 22:00 | Link #575 | |
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2007-11-26, 22:09 | Link #576 | |
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Even if her skill declined, using that is the same as using the "master-student" excuse except this time its using "old man-young man". |
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2007-11-26, 22:22 | Link #577 | |
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Ilena: "When you met Teresa and started travelling together, her skill as a warrior definitely declined." [Vol. 7 Ch. 38. Pg. 131] |
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2007-11-26, 22:33 | Link #578 |
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Yes, this from someone who got her ass whooped by Teresa.
Anyway, Irene makes a strong point, but she qualifies that the decline of Teresa's "strength", not "skill", as a warrior was due to Clare's presence in Teresa's life. Teresa's heart was softened, thus affecting her toughness. In other words, her character changed, so much that she made the one fatal mistake of sparing the one person who could, would, and does threaten her even after having had so many opportunities. |
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Either way, I think in the long-run, Teresa's skill would both physically and mentally decline the longer she stays with Clare. |
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