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FlameSparkZ · 2007-09-13, 04:48

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Originally Posted by Nightengale

Well, I know that her Wing-Road rip-off is Air Liner, but I'm not exactly sure what her IS, Break Liner ACTUALLY does.

So, Nove's overall ability (( Air Liner + Gun Knuckle + Jet Edge mastery aka Shooting Arts rip-off )) = Break Liner?

Isn't her IS's ability to break formations? Especially in the front lines

If the Numbers had managed to get to the Ground Force's line of defense, her IS would easily create opening for the other Numbers to attack...I think

arkhangelsk · 2007-09-13, 05:01

Talking about breaking through...

Spoiler for Ep24:

Ultima_Rasengan05 · 2007-09-13, 05:14

maybe they're broken?

Spoiler for controller:

Is Vivio's ability a psychic ability?...looks like she's just tossing Nanoha anywhere around the throne room's walls...those cracks on the walls don't look like cracks that would be a result of energy blasts being fired.

EDIT: looks like Zest might not die in StrikerS anytime soon then...and it might be surprising if he takes over Regius' place as general of the ground forces.
And since Zest was a very strong fighter and Signum likes challenges in strong fighters, might there be some ZestXSignum??...hhmmm

asaqe · 2007-09-13, 19:37

And Zest is now technically immortal thanks to the relic planted in him...but he and Signum wont have mini Belkan knights

Nightengale · 2007-09-13, 20:11

No, it had been repeatedly reinforced that Zest's time in the world is coming to its end real soon. Let's not forget that he was a failure as an Artificial Mage/Experimental Relic Weapon.

Unless Jail can somehow restore or repair his failure through his newfound success, (( since Vivio is a complete success )) Zest is definitely going to die. Maybe not by the end of this battle, but I'll be damned if the way they're implying, (( cannot use Agito's fire anymore )) he'll last more than another month or 2.

At best, we'll most likely see his funeral or deathbed scenario at Episode 26. I mean, they've got to show him passing on (( or giving back to the original Lord if his speculation is true )) Agito to Signum AT LEAST through whatever method (( dying knight's last request most likely )) he'll convince both parties for a mutual agreement. (( I've pretty much got little hope on them showing Auris, Lutecia, Genya, and maybe the Nakajima daughters meeting him one last time... because it should happen, dammit! ))

Ultima_Rasengan05 · 2007-09-13, 22:31

man, thats sad for Zest and in the end, he was a pretty good knight, without much of revenge in his mind... although it would be cool for Zest to take over Regius' position.

Tormenk · 2007-09-14, 01:33

On the topic of Zest, strange that he would hang around the same people that killed him for so long.

Although Lutecia probably is the only reason why he does so.

Ultima_Rasengan05 · 2007-09-14, 04:02

so was it Regius' fault that Zest and Alpito got killed in that mission during the flashback?
I mean, I'm still trying to figure out what was Zest's reason to seeing Regius before his time runs out.
And since Zest is a failed Artificial Mage/Experimental Relic Weapon, Lutecia must be the result of a successful experiment then.

Tormenk · 2007-09-14, 04:48

Well it's partially Regius' fault Zest's unit got killed. His order to reassign Zest's unit came too late. Zest decided to check out the lab before the order came and went in. The defending Numbers and stealth drones killed his unit and Regius came to know the news only when Jail showed him Zest's body.

As for wanting to see Regius, Zest wanted to know if Regius gave the order to exterminate his unit. As he said, he did not care for himself but to seek a reason why his subordinate were killed as well.

Him being a failed Artificial Mage/Experimental Relic Weapon is probably due to his health, since his powers in his weakened state is clearly a match for Vita and Signum.
Perhaps his body didn't accept the implanted relic entirely hence the 'failure' while Lutecia certainly didn't show signs of that.

That said, I don't think Zest or Lutecia displayed any powers of being a Relic Weapon.

Ultima_Rasengan05 · 2007-09-14, 04:52

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Originally Posted by Tormenk

Well it's partially Regius' fault Zest's unit got killed. His order to reassign Zest's unit came too late. Zest decided to check out the lab before the order came and went in. The defending Numbers and stealth drones killed his unit and Regius came to know the news only when Jail showed him Zest's body.

As for wanting to see Regius, Zest wanted to know if Regius gave the order to exterminate his unit. As he said, he did not care for himself but to seek a reason why his subordinate were killed as well.

Him being a failed Artificial Mage/Experimental Relic Weapon is probably due to his health, since his powers in his weakened state is clearly a match for Vita and Signum.
Perhaps his body didn't accept the implanted relic entirely hence the 'failure' while Lutecia certainly didn't show signs of that.

That said, I don't think Zest or Lutecia displayed any powers of being a Relic Weapon.

oh ok now I understand what happened during that flashback and Zest's meeting with Regius, thanks for the info...as for signs of Relic weapon powers, I guess there's no sign...maybe the relics are one of the key essentials to making Artificial Mages.
And the reason why Zest was a S+ ranked mage...maybe because he was a relic weapon.
Anyways, I don't think we all have a clear idea on what exactly does a relic do.

hound297 · 2007-09-14, 11:33

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Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

oh ok now I understand what happened during that flashback and Zest's meeting with Regius, thanks for the info...as for signs of Relic weapon powers, I guess there's no sign...maybe the relics are one of the key essentials to making Artificial Mages.
And the reason why Zest was a S+ ranked mage...maybe because he was a relic weapon.
Anyways, I don't think we all have a clear idea on what exactly does a relic do.

Maybe it is a kind of "source of life force" for artificial life forms? I mean, look at those numbers - each with an indivisual relic being implanted in them. It is also revealed that lutecia's mum need relic 11 to be revived... But hey! Does this means that if we take out their relics, we snuff out their life??

Nightengale · 2007-09-14, 11:36

Er... the Numbers are NOT powered by Relics.

Relics are linked to Relic Weapon/Artificial Mage Program, and has nothing to do whatsoever with Combat Cyborgs.

Serenity85 · 2007-09-14, 11:41

Also look at Vivio. Up until she was captured she didn't have a relic in her, yet she was able to live and weld dorment power (I believe sister Schlch, (forgot how to spell her name) said that the girl was no imediate threat but that she was powerful to some extent. It might mean that the relics unlock/amplify dorment magic in the user and that they can still live without them just powerless (or unable to weld the power they have...)

hound297 · 2007-09-14, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Serenity85

Also look at Vivio. Up until she was captured she didn't have a relic in her, yet she was able to live and weld dorment power (I believe sister Schlch, (forgot how to spell her name) said that the girl was no imediate threat but that she was powerful to some extent. It might mean that the relics unlock/amplify dorment magic in the user and that they can still live without them just powerless (or unable to weld the power they have...)

So... it is safe to assume that the relics are actually a kind of key to unlock your full potential as long as your body does not rejects them?

Chaos2Frozen · 2007-09-14, 22:17

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Originally Posted by hound297

So... it is safe to assume that the relics are actually a kind of key to unlock your full potential as long as your body does not rejects them?

The ancient Velkan kings use relics as a way to 'power-up' themselves. So rather than 'full-potential', they're going for 'super-human'.

Nightengale · 2007-09-14, 22:21

At this point, we'll most likely have to accept that this will be the most in-depth on Relic explanation (( after so much hype went into its l33tness )) we'll ever get in-series unless Acous's going to do a "Once upon a time, Jail-" in Episode 25 or 26.

Else, looks like waiting for the last DVD's booklet translations is the only way to really know clearly what are Relics.

ShoShinjo · 2007-09-15, 02:29

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Originally Posted by Nightengale

Else, looks like waiting for the last DVD's booklet translations is the only way to really know clearly what are Relics.

That's a shame, I also wanted to know what a Relic is. As far as I have understood, a Relic is the crystalized form of a high concentration of energy that grants its wielder the power to make any of their wishes come true via the enormous raw power the gem has. Now, the detail is that we don't know approximately how many energy is stored on a single Relic (because forms of using it are in abundance, from boosting magical power to unlimited levels to having a "new" form of energy generation).

Tormenk · 2007-09-15, 02:43

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Originally Posted by ShoShinjo

As far as I have understood, a Relic is the crystalized form of a high concentration of energy that grants its wielder the power to make any of their wishes come true via the enormous raw power the gem has.

I think you meant the Jewel Seeds since we haven't seen Relics grant anyone's wish in StrikerS so far.

Chaos2Frozen · 2007-09-15, 02:52

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Originally Posted by ShoShinjo

That's a shame, I also wanted to know what a Relic is. As far as I have understood, a Relic is the crystalized form of a high concentration of energy that grants its wielder the power to make any of their wishes come true via the enormous raw power the gem has. Now, the detail is that we don't know approximately how many energy is stored on a single Relic (because forms of using it are in abundance, from boosting magical power to unlimited levels to having a "new" form of energy generation).

*wave hand in a no-no motion*

No no, none of that was ever said, with the exception of "crystalized form of a high concentration of energy".

Hell, they don't even seem to be that powerful... Unless of course Vivio is the only one who could successfully use it...

ShoShinjo · 2007-09-15, 02:56

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Originally Posted by Tormenk

I think you meant the Jewel Seeds since we haven't seen Relics grant anyone's wish in StrikerS so far.

Now that you mention it, yeah, it sounded more like of a Jewel Seed XD But anyway, it's the impression I have from the Relics. Other than moving the Saint Cradle and powering up the Royal Belkan Family, the Relics haven't been used at all. And if the Relics are indeed a source of energy, they can be used to control everything. I don't remember where I heard it: "those who control great energy sources can control it all", just see those that have control over fossil combustible and such >>

Anyway, that's just speculation, I really hope that we can know exactly what is a Relic (or a Lost Logia in general...)

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2007-09-13, 05:01	Link #322
arkhangelsk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	Talking about breaking through... Spoiler for Ep24: We see a glimpse of the drones. Why are they just shooting it out with the TSAB footsloggers rather than aggressively advancing and overrunning the line...

2007-09-13, 05:14	Link #323
Ultima_Rasengan05 Version 3.0 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hawaii Age: 36	maybe they're broken? Spoiler for controller: anyways, wasn't it Uno who controlled them most of the time? since she is captured already, the drones could just be floating around. Is Vivio's ability a psychic ability?...looks like she's just tossing Nanoha anywhere around the throne room's walls...those cracks on the walls don't look like cracks that would be a result of energy blasts being fired. EDIT: looks like Zest might not die in StrikerS anytime soon then...and it might be surprising if he takes over Regius' place as general of the ground forces. And since Zest was a very strong fighter and Signum likes challenges in strong fighters, might there be some ZestXSignum??...hhmmm Last edited by Ultima_Rasengan05; 2007-09-13 at 15:05.

2007-09-13, 19:37	Link #324
asaqe Augumented Paranoia Join Date: Nov 2003	And Zest is now technically immortal thanks to the relic planted in him...but he and Signum wont have mini Belkan knights __________________ Old McDonald had a farm...Eyey Eyey O...And on his farm he had a Khzithak...Eyey Eyey O...With a ARHHFAHHAAAAAAAAARRRGIIIAAA HELP AAAUUU HELP! IT'S GNAWING OFF MY...

2007-09-13, 20:11	Link #325
Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	No, it had been repeatedly reinforced that Zest's time in the world is coming to its end real soon. Let's not forget that he was a failure as an Artificial Mage/Experimental Relic Weapon. Unless Jail can somehow restore or repair his failure through his newfound success, (( since Vivio is a complete success )) Zest is definitely going to die. Maybe not by the end of this battle, but I'll be damned if the way they're implying, (( cannot use Agito's fire anymore )) he'll last more than another month or 2. At best, we'll most likely see his funeral or deathbed scenario at Episode 26. I mean, they've got to show him passing on (( or giving back to the original Lord if his speculation is true )) Agito to Signum AT LEAST through whatever method (( dying knight's last request most likely )) he'll convince both parties for a mutual agreement. (( I've pretty much got little hope on them showing Auris, Lutecia, Genya, and maybe the Nakajima daughters meeting him one last time... because it should happen, dammit! )) __________________ *Night~and~Gale: ~ The Final Mythology of the Man who Defied Destiny.* The sleeping lion shall awaken beyond the depths of time, crossing ten billion lights, come to Terra.

2007-09-13, 22:31	Link #326
Ultima_Rasengan05 Version 3.0 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hawaii Age: 36	man, thats sad for Zest and in the end, he was a pretty good knight, without much of revenge in his mind... although it would be cool for Zest to take over Regius' position.

2007-09-14, 01:33	Link #327
Tormenk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gaf's Room	On the topic of Zest, strange that he would hang around the same people that killed him for so long. Although Lutecia probably is the only reason why he does so.

2007-09-14, 04:02	Link #328
Ultima_Rasengan05 Version 3.0 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hawaii Age: 36	so was it Regius' fault that Zest and Alpito got killed in that mission during the flashback? I mean, I'm still trying to figure out what was Zest's reason to seeing Regius before his time runs out. And since Zest is a failed Artificial Mage/Experimental Relic Weapon, Lutecia must be the result of a successful experiment then.

2007-09-14, 04:48	Link #329
Tormenk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gaf's Room	Well it's partially Regius' fault Zest's unit got killed. His order to reassign Zest's unit came too late. Zest decided to check out the lab before the order came and went in. The defending Numbers and stealth drones killed his unit and Regius came to know the news only when Jail showed him Zest's body. As for wanting to see Regius, Zest wanted to know if Regius gave the order to exterminate his unit. As he said, he did not care for himself but to seek a reason why his subordinate were killed as well. Him being a failed Artificial Mage/Experimental Relic Weapon is probably due to his health, since his powers in his weakened state is clearly a match for Vita and Signum. Perhaps his body didn't accept the implanted relic entirely hence the 'failure' while Lutecia certainly didn't show signs of that. That said, I don't think Zest or Lutecia displayed any powers of being a Relic Weapon.

2007-09-14, 11:36	Link #332
Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	Er... the Numbers are NOT powered by Relics. Relics are linked to Relic Weapon/Artificial Mage Program, and has nothing to do whatsoever with Combat Cyborgs. __________________ *Night~and~Gale: ~ The Final Mythology of the Man who Defied Destiny.* The sleeping lion shall awaken beyond the depths of time, crossing ten billion lights, come to Terra.

2007-09-14, 11:41	Link #333
Serenity85 Horo-ism Join Date: Jun 2006	Also look at Vivio. Up until she was captured she didn't have a relic in her, yet she was able to live and weld dorment power (I believe sister Schlch, (forgot how to spell her name) said that the girl was no imediate threat but that she was powerful to some extent. It might mean that the relics unlock/amplify dorment magic in the user and that they can still live without them just powerless (or unable to weld the power they have...) __________________ *Much Thanks to Mr. Hat's for the siggy^^*

2007-09-14, 22:21	Link #336
Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	At this point, we'll most likely have to accept that this will be the most in-depth on Relic explanation (( after so much hype went into its l33tness )) we'll ever get in-series unless Acous's going to do a "Once upon a time, Jail-" in Episode 25 or 26. Else, looks like waiting for the last DVD's booklet translations is the only way to really know clearly what are Relics. __________________ *Night~and~Gale: ~ The Final Mythology of the Man who Defied Destiny.* The sleeping lion shall awaken beyond the depths of time, crossing ten billion lights, come to Terra.