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molitar · 2012-12-06, 02:50

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Originally Posted by thundrakkon

It was a good episode. However, there were parts of Lucy's fight that did not make sense, like why didn't she use Cancer to completely cut Flare's hair, or why Taurus did not react to Flare's nice body. Also, Natsu was the only one noticing that something was wrong and helped out makes everyone else seem clueless. A lot more people should have figured it out or notice that Flare was cheating.

Finally, the biggest gripe of all was that no official declared Flare defaulted because the officials were not able to figure out or sense that Raven Tail cheated, while so many of the contestants and the old annoucer noticed. He could have said something but chose not to.

Other than that, the fight was great. It's like all the previous arcs. Fairy Tail has to lose first before they win it all in the end.

The first part of your question here is very simple to answer taking aways one weapon is not what Fairy Tail considers to be a fair fight. Not a single one of them has every taken weapon away but fought the opponent one on one even if the item gave there opponent the advantage. Lucy, is part of Fairy Tail and carries Fairy Tail's motto.

Secondly Lucy was easily winning Flare did not have a chance against Lucy until Flare cheated by threatening the child.

The only part of this arc I did not like is that they cheated so badly cancelling out her powerful magic that the ones refereeing had to realize but did not act on it. That cheating was allowed basically in what is suppose to be the great games competition.

What I am curious is about why did the author cause her great magic to fail? I imagine the author wanted to make sure that her great magic is unknown so it can be used later as the major balancing factor that saves the day otherwise I can not fathom any other reason for it to be even showcased in this arc than cancelled out.

Two factors is why I think her great magic was able to be cancelled out..

For those that have not read the manga may not want to read this...

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FlareKnight · 2012-12-06, 14:21

Thinking on it, somewhat annoyed Lucy was counted out at that point. Yeah, she blew most of her magic on that attack, but we've seen that someone like Loke can just open the gate via his own magic. On that not I'm just surprised that none at least showed up to help her leave the arena.

Also an issue of when the fight was over. She's considered out of the fight after her big move, but not when she's tied up and getting beaten half to death?

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Originally Posted by Eisdrache

I don't really mind the cheating of Raven Tail. It was clear from the moment they took out Wendy that they aren't fighting fair. Of course it's low but that just shows that Fairy Tail is still too weak. And just for the record there was nothing wrong with the way Narlpudding fought the hidden game.

Cheating is ok because they've been cheating from the start? I'd love to pull that kind of explanation at an exam. I'm not sure what being strong or weak even has to do with this. How is being stronger going to do anything about hostages being taken? If they had some crazy tournament before the time skip the same thing could have happened with them on top.

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Originally Posted by Eisdrache

They both noticed instantly.

I'm pretty sure that's referring to the hostage taking not the cheating at the end. How Makarov and Mavis didn't notice the hair waving around even though Lucy could see it from that far away.

molitar · 2012-12-06, 15:53

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Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Thinking on it, somewhat annoyed Lucy was counted out at that point. Yeah, she blew most of her magic on that attack, but we've seen that someone like Loke can just open the gate via his own magic. On that not I'm just surprised that none at least showed up to help her leave the arena.

Also an issue of when the fight was over. She's considered out of the fight after her big move, but not when she's tied up and getting beaten half to death?
Cheating is ok because they've been cheating from the start? I'd love to pull that kind of explanation at an exam. I'm not sure what being strong or weak even has to do with this. How is being stronger going to do anything about hostages being taken? If they had some crazy tournament before the time skip the same thing could have happened with them on top.
I'm pretty sure that's referring to the hostage taking not the cheating at the end. How Makarov and Mavis didn't notice the hair waving around even though Lucy could see it from that far away.

Do not forget that most of the time the hair wasn't not much over the ankle. She only made it near the head of the child long enough for Lucy to be able to see.. later it specifically showed the hair not much but a foot out of the ground.

Good think Lucy said it under her breath when she told Flare that she would go that far.. Natsu's hearing is better than we knew and a good thing too he realized from the conversation that something was wrong.

Secondly the others attention was on Lucy and why all of a sudden she stopped fighting you could even see them leaning forward trying to figure out what was going on so would not have been able to see the hair even peripherally.

TeNMaN · 2012-12-06, 18:29

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Originally Posted by molitar

Do not forget that most of the time the hair wasn't not much over the ankle. She only made it near the head of the child long enough for Lucy to be able to see.. later it specifically showed the hair not much but a foot out of the ground.

Good think Lucy said it under her breath when she told Flare that she would go that far.. Natsu's hearing is better than we knew and a good thing too he realized from the conversation that something was wrong.

Secondly the others attention was on Lucy and why all of a sudden she stopped fighting you could even see them leaning forward trying to figure out what was going on so would not have been able to see the hair even peripherally.

This is exactly correct and what I think a lot of people are missing.

It's not like Flare was waving 10 feet of hair in the back of Asuka or something lol. The hair was down near the ground and just waiting to pounce where no one could see it, including Natsu. The only reason Natsu knew where to look is that his superior hearing heard Lucy say Asuka's name. So Natsu rushed over there not knowing what the danger was until he got there and then saw the hair.

Also, as some have mentioned, I think nearly all the powerful mages in the arena new RT was cheating. The problem, as many have mentioned, is that no one can prove who it was that interfered and what specifically they did to interfere. So you can't prove anything even though you know foul play was involved.

I did think it was interesting that Lucy mentioned she wasn't at full power and even with Gemini she wasn't sure if she could pull off a full force attack. I wonder if that played into helping RT cancel her spell out.

Regardless, awesome episode!! They are really building a good foundation of emotion to make the arc epic! I'm just hoping Lucy get to avenge all her unfortunate battles by making the difference at the end of the series!

MAX_COLA_POWER! · 2012-12-06, 18:41

I can't wait for the next fight>v<. Señor Pistolas Fernandes (Mystogan) vs Jura -I did earth bending before it was cool- Neksis. AWESOME!, makes me wish Gildarts was there...

homaster · 2012-12-07, 02:30

The OVA was on point!!!

The animation is astonishing, if they do every episode with the same animation then we would be having good times
Why don't they do so anyway ?
Loved the manga scenes and Lucy was randomly hilarious

Tempest35 · 2012-12-07, 03:01

^...cuz 'good times' cost money.

homaster · 2012-12-07, 12:11

What do you think is the best selling point of Fairy Tail?
Title said it all, to be more exact, what makes you want to keep reading this manga

Note: I'm posting my opinions about the positive and negative points, so don't get mad reading it

1. The Setting/The World/The Theme
A world where magic is the main source of power, and it can even be bought or sold. The age seems to be mixed between classic and modern.
Just a twist of a regular fantasy rpg world, used in many manga, and not really unique for me.

2. The Story/The Plot
A team of mage going to mission when somehow they got involved in bigger action including personal problem or guild war. But there are no really main goal like "pirate king" or "hokage", so the story usually going nowhere. Although lately there is a bit foreshadowing of main villain like Zeref and Acnologia, too many minor plot making the story still seems really slow

3. The Characters
Most characters in the beginning are unique and a bit too unreal (building-destroyer, stripper, etc) and people likes to see them. But because of this unique persona, it's hard to change them and some become weird if they got too much changes so mashima mostly makes them just the same from the beginning until now, and most old readers find them become a bit boring. Most new characters usually are not as unique as the beginning and some feels just an upgraded copy of them.

4. The Fighting/The Action
Most characters have their own unique style, but most of their moves feel repetitive after a while since they look basically the same. And some power-up becoming ridiculous because mashima seems to running out of ideas (eating lightning, hey). And he seems to be lazy to make chapters when they training and get straight to the main plot, so readers mostly think Natsu from before is still the same in the after.
Some battles can get heat and emotional, while some becoming comedy and TROLLING. Even serious battle feels like trolling because mashima repeating the same pattern

5. The Comedy
Many comedy makes FT feels lighter compared to other shonen manga and enjoyable. But too much comedy without dark side makes it sometimes boring and too predictable

6. The Drama/Tragedy
Some of characters flashback is a "bit" tragic, but when it ends it's just happily ever after with their guild. The guild sometimes get sad moment, but the way they "overcome anything with friendship" also becoming more ridiculous...

7. The Fanservice
okay, i found this manga got more fanservice compared to other usual shonen manga. Most of the girl are young, cute and big boobs (and i'm getting bored of it). And mashima sometimes inserted comedic fanservice inside serious fight.
Heck, even most of new chapters lately are fanservice.

8. Others.. (explain)

molitar · 2012-12-07, 12:49

They are always out powered and out gunned but pull through do to there companions. They are the underdogs when it comes to being out powered by the villains. It is this tenacity that keeps me coming back. Even though they are out powered usually by an artifact they never try to take the artifact or weapon away but fight fair themselves.

Guess that is what keeps me reading it.

Kaijo · 2012-12-07, 22:42

160 is out.

Spider woman vs. Ren, War Cry from QC vs. Orga from RT, and Mystogan vs. Jura... with an unexpected result (well, if you haven't read the manga, anyway, heh). Ultear is such a troll, heh. Other than that, not much to write home about. Other than Charle's bad premonitions (I know, it's supposed to be Carla, but I like Charle, dangnabit!)

Looks like Natsu gets into the action next week, with hints that a vehicle is involved, and thus his motion sickness will most likely get triggered...

MAX_COLA_POWER! · 2012-12-07, 23:00

Spoiler for 160:

Jellal · 2012-12-07, 23:01

UNoubtable my favorite episode yet!
haha, they made it better than it was shown in the manga.
Too bad they didn't decide to extend it. Laxus expression of "Lame" at the end, gave me good laughs!

That aside, can't wait for laxus to fight!

ars89 · 2012-12-07, 23:01

Spoiler for 160:

FlareKnight · 2012-12-08, 00:10

Spoiler for Ep160:

Simonsy · 2012-12-08, 00:26

The thing I hated most about this episode was that it reminded me that we never got to see Mystogun actually ever fight serious for a whole battle. Only a quick glimpse once against Laxus.

forevers247 · 2012-12-08, 00:40

For me I wanna be like Gray. Because he is used to the cold and also can form ice with his hands.But except I'm not gonna take my shirt off though..... That would be embarrasing. It's really cool when your used to the cold and you don't need a jacket to wear in winter

HiddenMessage · 2012-12-08, 00:47

Spoiler for 160:

Simonsy · 2012-12-08, 00:49

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Originally Posted by forevers247

For me I wanna be like Gray. Because he is used to the cold and also can form ice with his hands.But except I'm not gonna take my shirt off though..... That would be embarrasing. It's really cool when your used to the cold and you don't need a jacket to wear in winter

You in wrong thread? Sounds like a comment in regards to a "who would you want to be in (manga) type thread"

To those who have read the manga, Do you think they will animate ch. 298 and 299 in the respective time slots they happen, or do you think they will animate them after they animate 297 material? You know like animate 298 after ch. 290 for example. Or 299 after ch. 285. You know something like that? I kind of hope they do.

To those non manga readers wondering what they are. They are basically just side chapters that take place sometime during the grand magic games. Like the start of one says "during night 3 of the grand magic games" When the previous chapter we were on night 4 or 5 or something. Basically a flashback showing what happened that we didnt' see earlier. Again just a fun side chapter that affects nothing really. Most think Hiro was just stalling to have ch. 300 be some big reveal. Thus he threw in two "filler type" chapters.

NatsuDragneel · 2012-12-08, 01:19

all hail fairy tail and natsu

Taco Bell · 2012-12-08, 01:45

I was surprised by ogras lightning. I thought it was going to be an all black bolt instead of the yellow outlined in black.

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MAX_COLA_POWER! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Puerto Rico	I can't wait for the next fight>v<. Señor Pistolas Fernandes (Mystogan) vs Jura -I did earth bending before it was cool- Neksis. AWESOME!, makes me wish Gildarts was there... __________________ She's in your internets, watching you masterdebate.

2012-12-07, 02:30	Link #5206
homaster inFORM Decisions Join Date: Dec 2012	The OVA was on point!!! The animation is astonishing, if they do every episode with the same animation then we would be having good times Why don't they do so anyway ? Loved the manga scenes and Lucy was randomly hilarious __________________ inFORM Decisions - Document Automation Solutions - USA Last edited by homaster; 2013-01-11 at 03:48.

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2012-12-07, 12:11	Link #5208
homaster inFORM Decisions Join Date: Dec 2012	What do you think is the best selling point of Fairy Tail? Title said it all, to be more exact, what makes you want to keep reading this manga Note: I'm posting my opinions about the positive and negative points, so don't get mad reading it 1. The Setting/The World/The Theme A world where magic is the main source of power, and it can even be bought or sold. The age seems to be mixed between classic and modern. Just a twist of a regular fantasy rpg world, used in many manga, and not really unique for me. 2. The Story/The Plot A team of mage going to mission when somehow they got involved in bigger action including personal problem or guild war. But there are no really main goal like "pirate king" or "hokage", so the story usually going nowhere. Although lately there is a bit foreshadowing of main villain like Zeref and Acnologia, too many minor plot making the story still seems really slow 3. The Characters Most characters in the beginning are unique and a bit too unreal (building-destroyer, stripper, etc) and people likes to see them. But because of this unique persona, it's hard to change them and some become weird if they got too much changes so mashima mostly makes them just the same from the beginning until now, and most old readers find them become a bit boring. Most new characters usually are not as unique as the beginning and some feels just an upgraded copy of them. 4. The Fighting/The Action Most characters have their own unique style, but most of their moves feel repetitive after a while since they look basically the same. And some power-up becoming ridiculous because mashima seems to running out of ideas (eating lightning, hey). And he seems to be lazy to make chapters when they training and get straight to the main plot, so readers mostly think Natsu from before is still the same in the after. Some battles can get heat and emotional, while some becoming comedy and TROLLING. Even serious battle feels like trolling because mashima repeating the same pattern 5. The Comedy Many comedy makes FT feels lighter compared to other shonen manga and enjoyable. But too much comedy without dark side makes it sometimes boring and too predictable 6. The Drama/Tragedy Some of characters flashback is a "bit" tragic, but when it ends it's just happily ever after with their guild. The guild sometimes get sad moment, but the way they "overcome anything with friendship" also becoming more ridiculous... 7. The Fanservice okay, i found this manga got more fanservice compared to other usual shonen manga. Most of the girl are young, cute and big boobs (and i'm getting bored of it). And mashima sometimes inserted comedic fanservice inside serious fight. Heck, even most of new chapters lately are fanservice. 8. Others.. (explain) __________________ inFORM Decisions - Document Automation Solutions - USA Last edited by homaster; 2013-01-11 at 03:47.

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MAX_COLA_POWER! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Puerto Rico	Spoiler for 160: 2 things that made me laugh this week. 1- The way the subs made Ultear's frustration towards Jellal sound: THIS IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH ALL MEN! THEY LET THEIR STUPID PRIDE GET IN THE WAY! THIS IS WHY I WENT BACK TO WOMEN!, 2- If we didn't see with our own eyes the tortures Ultear was making Meldy go through, if we had the audio only, it would sound like a very popular UltearxMeldy H CD-v-;;. __________________ She's in your internets, watching you masterdebate.

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molitar Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	They are always out powered and out gunned but pull through do to there companions. They are the underdogs when it comes to being out powered by the villains. It is this tenacity that keeps me coming back. Even though they are out powered usually by an artifact they never try to take the artifact or weapon away but fight fair themselves. Guess that is what keeps me reading it.

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Kaijo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow, in a house dropped on an ugly, old woman.	160 is out. Spider woman vs. Ren, War Cry from QC vs. Orga from RT, and Mystogan vs. Jura... with an unexpected result (well, if you haven't read the manga, anyway, heh). Ultear is such a troll, heh. Other than that, not much to write home about. Other than Charle's bad premonitions (I know, it's supposed to be Carla, but I like Charle, dangnabit!) Looks like Natsu gets into the action next week, with hints that a vehicle is involved, and thus his motion sickness will most likely get triggered...

2012-12-07, 23:01	Link #5212
Jellal Anime Critic Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: California	UNoubtable my favorite episode yet! haha, they made it better than it was shown in the manga. Too bad they didn't decide to extend it. Laxus expression of "Lame" at the end, gave me good laughs! That aside, can't wait for laxus to fight!

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ars89 One-Eyed Dragon Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NJ, USA	Spoiler for 160: What is with that premonition, looks like something bad will happen to Lucy. Lol at the Jellal-Jura fight. __________________ My Anime List

2012-12-08, 00:10	Link #5214
FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	Spoiler for Ep160: As if things didn't go bad enough for Lucy they have to make her suffer more? Geeze what is with this series? Though I suppose it's nothing knew when you think about it. Lucy has been taking the pain ever since the Phantom arc when she got beaten on by Gajeel. I'm sure Lucy will be fine, but that is rather ominous. Let's hope this premonition actually helps them protect Lucy rather than just get people worried and fail anyways. Sucks for Jellal how that turned out. Fairy Tail just taking a rough day overall. I suppose though that there is a limit for how much Jellal can do copying Mystogan's magic. Especially when you have a showdown between people who have carried a Wizard Saint title. Let's hope the next day goes better, but Natsu and transportation....Fairy Tail is doomed at this thing. Maybe they can luck out with someone like Erza being in the battle part. __________________ Anime-Evo

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Simonsy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	The thing I hated most about this episode was that it reminded me that we never got to see Mystogun actually ever fight serious for a whole battle. Only a quick glimpse once against Laxus.

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forevers247 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2012	For me I wanna be like Gray. Because he is used to the cold and also can form ice with his hands.But except I'm not gonna take my shirt off though..... That would be embarrasing. It's really cool when your used to the cold and you don't need a jacket to wear in winter __________________ inFORM Decisions - Document Automation Solutions - USA

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HiddenMessage Tofu Driver Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: On Winding Roads. Age: 34	Spoiler for 160: It looks like Laxus found his God-Slayer opponent like when Natsu fought against Zancrow. This match is gonna be the most electrifying we have ever seen from FT.

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NatsuDragneel DragonSlayer Join Date: Dec 2012	all hail fairy tail and natsu

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Taco Bell Gordita's for Everyone Join Date: Oct 2008	I was surprised by ogras lightning. I thought it was going to be an all black bolt instead of the yellow outlined in black.