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That leads me to conclude the categorization system for media is outright retarded.
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2013-02-18, 16:53 | Link #65 | |
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As for Afro-Samurai I've not seen it so can't say if it would feel like what I think of as "anime". I certainly wouldn't deny it is Japanese animation. A story to illustrate my position. A few years ago I came across Tanoshii Moomin Ikka on British television and immediately felt it was anime. Although the character designs and story weren't "anime-style" there was something about it that said Japanese production. The credits revealed it was a Dutch-Japanese co-production. Research seems to indicate it was intended for an international audience from the start. I'm still quite happy to think of it as anime even though it breaks my (non-)rule. So, I agree with you, and Vexx, about hard and fast definitions. We each have a different concept of anime but there's enough overlap to make the term convenient in discussion, I hope. |
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Regardless, within the set of all animation -- we have a clear view on what is definitely "anime". Never in a million years would I question something like Haruhi, Clannad, and even Akagi as not being "anime". For all intents and purposes, series like those are unquestionably "anime". If someone were to come out and say that any of them were "Made in China", that viewpoint will not change.
In contrast, I had long viewed Avatar as an anime, despite not watching it. However, after I watched it fully, the story line had a feeling of anime; but the series falls short visually -- even though it tried. Of course, I was disappointed. The only bright side aims as Avatar being the closest any American studio has come to making anime. For a long time, I have been going on about the categorization on a visual basis. Story line arguments on this topic have long been irrelevant, because any written story can be ported (and adapted) into any medium. Thus, story line and plot is moot. However, I would question Crayon Shin Chan, as a Japanese cartoon. Rather than as an anime, because visually, it is on the same level as Spongebob. Many will retain Shin Chan as anime, based on previous points of "production in Japan" and "made for the Japanese audience". Well, out of all the "anime", Shin Chan is one of the most "cartoony". And so, given this Venn Diagram: Spoiler:
What goes in that bluish region? Then there's another factor. You watch something. Does it "feel" like "anime" or not? For Avatar, it did not. For many examples we can name around here, that's an obvious yes. If any non-Japanese studio can produce this same "feel", then they have something going in the "anime" direction. For now, no one other than a Japanese studio can produce this. I could start pointing at Pixar, but Pixar style-animation is a different set of animation all-together. Part of me is curious as to what would happen if some Japanese studio starts utilizing the 3-D graphics style (CGI) for 100% of an animation project, especially regarding humanoid characters.
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But I thought anime are cartoons??
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In the sense that many people use regarding "anime" vs "not anime"... the word "cartoon" had become that term to refer to the latter. However, the term "animation" becomes the blanket term for everything animated, including Pixar. There's no shadow of a doubt for both groups to fall under "animation".
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Regardless, I make no distinction between "anime" and "cartoon" on the basis of (a) where it is made and (b) to which ethnic audience it is aimed at.
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I question Shin-chan cause it doesn't look like anime. Pokemon, Speed Racer, Robotech, Nanoha look like anime. Shin-chan looks like some amateurish cartoon, even if it is anime.
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Categorizing things based on "feel" can (or will) get pretty arbitrary. I hear Chibi Maruko Chan and Doraemon get pretty good ratings in Japan, but they don't look like the usual anime style. Surely shows like that are still "Japanese" enough?
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I only use the word anime as shorthand for Japanese animation. Though I also call them cartoons sometimes, and when I speak Japanese of course I call anything animated anime no matter where it came from. I personally refrain from implying that anime is a style, and that anime just means animation that came from a Japanese company, that's it. For styles I prefer to get specific, like mukoku seki (sic) or realistic or highly stylized or etc. Last edited by Kudryavka; 2013-02-19 at 15:28. |
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Avatar would probably be the only one I recognize as anime or being close to anime (the dialogue is a problem). Else, every other one is animation or cartoon. The problem is with Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt (cause it looks like PPG). I guess the topics covered by anime would make it anime. Too much censorship in the West (on TV).
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Are you saying kid-friendly, pass-censors-easily anime doesn't exist? Last edited by Shyni; 2013-02-19 at 16:40. |
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However, no one outside Japan have taken the style so far as to produce animated series. So far, non-Japanese can produce anime-style drawings. The ability to do so is a skill, and it isn't limited to a specific ethnic group. For this reason, I have taken the "Japanese" requirement out of anime in my view and replaced it with a more broad view of "anyone can make anime". People simply need the talent, skills, and work ethic to make it. In the long run, it is well within the imagination of an anime made in America. Avatar is a great step in that direction. The Thundercats series has an anime studio directly involved in it. I suppose, it is relegated as a "cartoon" just because Warner Bros. led the direction, while Studio 4C acted as a consultant, or something. I remember sitting in a room with my friends, and they were watching Thundercats on Cartoon Network. Out of my mouth, I did ask: "Hey, what anime is this?" With a quick 2 second look, that's exactly what I thought. I thought that I was looking at an anime when I first looked at it. Case in point: American anime is inevitable. And I only mention America just because I live in it.
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