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Keroko · 2013-02-03, 15:20

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Originally Posted by Sansker

But she still uses fast moves with magic which do fall in to the physical enhancement. Besides what is using your energy for a direct hit but a physical enhancement of the hit itself?

It's an energy sword versus a physical blade. Please tell me I don't have to explain how the two are different? And for her fast moves I will note that Fate had to design a completely separate spell for it, not to mention her desparation armor form that requires her to shunt every single bit of her magic that isn't used for offense to speed.

Think about that for a moment. She needs to go that far to completely outrun a Belkan user. One who doesn't even specialize in speed to begin with. One who was holding back. Does that not tell you who has the advantage in physical enhancement here?

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 15:22

No really, we were comparing an acient knight with a 9 years old girl.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 15:28

Don't remind me, by most logic the girls wouldn't have been able to win at all.

But hey, I see your strawman and I choose to ignore it. Fate could not surpass Signum's physical enhancement magic without going to the extreme, showing which style has the upper hand here.

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 15:31

No really. Even ignoring the fact one figther was more skilled than the other means one style is inferior to the other. Both really focus on making their moves better.

Rising Dragon · 2013-02-03, 15:35

Because one fighter is more skilled than the other does not mean that the other's style is inferior.

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 15:38

Yes that was what I say.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 15:38

See, there you go again, claiming that I'm saying one entire style is inferior to the other. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that the fight between Fate and Signum shows that Belka is better at physical enhancement. A fact supported by every single piece of canon discussing the styles.

Mid's better at blasting things from range and huge beam'o'wars, Belka's better at smashing things up close and making you better at doing so. It's that simple. The styles overlap on occasion, but when push comes to shove, both are better at what they do best.

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 15:42

And I insist not in a lavel when that really matters to tell them apart. Is my way to see them as similar in nature and just diferent aplications by the users.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 15:44

And yet there is only one character, one lone character, that supports your claim. Surely you'd have more than that if it was so obvious as you claim?

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 15:50

Is just on screen and how I see it. In the end beyond the lights and the attacks Belka and Mid seems really much the same and affect the same. They are both base in using magic to blow things up. At its core magic is being use as a weapon and seems to focus on the destructive part of it. Spells like healing, illusions and others playing lower roles and just being perform by a few characters. To me magic styles need to be more than just a close range attack and a long range one and between Belka and Mid there is no much and even that difference can be easily avoid by some characters proving is possible to go beyond the limit and make them not that different.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 15:54

Remind me, how many Belkan mages have we seen casting Breaker attacks?

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 16:00

At least two

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 16:06

Care to share names with the claim?

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 16:08

Sorry you ask just numbers. I belive is Hayate and Subaru.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 16:10

Hayate uses mid for breaker spells, and you're going to have to refresh my memory when Subaru ever cast a Breaker spell.

Rising Dragon · 2013-02-03, 16:11

Subaru never did, no.

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 16:14

Subaru does use Oscillating Breaker and Hayate's Ragnarök is Ancient Belka but she still use the word Breaker when she use it agaisnt the defense program.

Rising Dragon · 2013-02-03, 16:16

Oscillating Breaker can also be translated into a different name, like Vibration Shatter. It is NOT a Breaker-type magic or attack. In this case, the "Breaker" in its name is very much literal, unlike Starlight Breaker's.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 16:17

Nope, Oscillating Breaker is Subaru's IS and Hayate's Ragnarök Breaker is mid.

Rising Dragon · 2013-02-03, 16:18

Ragnarok seems to be a combination of both, since it generates a second circle for firing, which ends up as a Belkan triangle. While Hresvelgr is in the reverse... though I'm sure that's not a Breaker-type magic.

Either way, it's not a real qualifier as a Belkan Breaker-type magic.

2013-02-03, 15:22	Link #2762
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	No really, we were comparing an acient knight with a 9 years old girl. __________________

2013-02-03, 15:31	Link #2764
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	No really. Even ignoring the fact one figther was more skilled than the other means one style is inferior to the other. Both really focus on making their moves better. __________________

2013-02-03, 15:35	Link #2765
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Because one fighter is more skilled than the other does not mean that the other's style is inferior. __________________

2013-02-03, 15:38	Link #2766
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Yes that was what I say. __________________

2013-02-03, 15:42	Link #2768
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	And I insist not in a lavel when that really matters to tell them apart. Is my way to see them as similar in nature and just diferent aplications by the users. __________________

2013-02-03, 15:28	Link #2763
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Don't remind me, by most logic the girls wouldn't have been able to win at all. But hey, I see your strawman and I choose to ignore it. Fate could not surpass Signum's physical enhancement magic without going to the extreme, showing which style has the upper hand here.

2013-02-03, 15:38	Link #2767
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	See, there you go again, claiming that I'm saying one entire style is inferior to the other. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that the fight between Fate and Signum shows that Belka is better at physical enhancement. A fact supported by every single piece of canon discussing the styles. Mid's better at blasting things from range and huge beam'o'wars, Belka's better at smashing things up close and making you better at doing so. It's that simple. The styles overlap on occasion, but when push comes to shove, both are better at what they do best.

2013-02-03, 15:44	Link #2769
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	And yet there is only one character, one lone character, that supports your claim. Surely you'd have more than that if it was so obvious as you claim?

2013-02-03, 15:50	Link #2770
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Is just on screen and how I see it. In the end beyond the lights and the attacks Belka and Mid seems really much the same and affect the same. They are both base in using magic to blow things up. At its core magic is being use as a weapon and seems to focus on the destructive part of it. Spells like healing, illusions and others playing lower roles and just being perform by a few characters. To me magic styles need to be more than just a close range attack and a long range one and between Belka and Mid there is no much and even that difference can be easily avoid by some characters proving is possible to go beyond the limit and make them not that different. __________________

2013-02-03, 15:54	Link #2771
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Remind me, how many Belkan mages have we seen casting Breaker attacks?

2013-02-03, 16:00	Link #2772
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	At least two __________________

2013-02-03, 16:06	Link #2773
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Care to share names with the claim?

2013-02-03, 16:08	Link #2774
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Sorry you ask just numbers. I belive is Hayate and Subaru. __________________

2013-02-03, 16:10	Link #2775
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Hayate uses mid for breaker spells, and you're going to have to refresh my memory when Subaru ever cast a Breaker spell.

2013-02-03, 16:11	Link #2776
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Subaru never did, no. __________________

2013-02-03, 16:14	Link #2777
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Subaru does use Oscillating Breaker and Hayate's Ragnarök is Ancient Belka but she still use the word Breaker when she use it agaisnt the defense program. __________________

2013-02-03, 16:16	Link #2778
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Oscillating Breaker can also be translated into a different name, like Vibration Shatter. It is NOT a Breaker-type magic or attack. In this case, the "Breaker" in its name is very much literal, unlike Starlight Breaker's. __________________

2013-02-03, 16:17	Link #2779
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Nope, Oscillating Breaker is Subaru's IS and Hayate's Ragnarök Breaker is mid.

2013-02-03, 16:18	Link #2780
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Ragnarok seems to be a combination of both, since it generates a second circle for firing, which ends up as a Belkan triangle. While Hresvelgr is in the reverse... though I'm sure that's not a Breaker-type magic. Either way, it's not a real qualifier as a Belkan Breaker-type magic. __________________