Suisei no Gargantia - Episode 5 Discussion / Poll

[andyjay729]

I just thought of something. Maybe they use wastewater for irrigation like we do in California.

Although, that water Amy and Ledo were drinking on the tower wasn't from there, was it? :P

[Iby]

Originally Posted by duckroll

There's one more Nitro+ writer involved in the project who hasn't written a script yet. Probably soon. He's the one writing the "Boy and Giant" spin off novel for Gargantia. Apparently set during Ledo's days in the military.

http://gargantia.jp/#product_23

This one helped writing a Lost Christmas scenario BTW (the main writer is Haganeya though).

[jeroz]

This episode is a good one to let the audience see from Ledo's eyes how the world on Gargantia works. Needless to say, it's a very vibrate community.

While some critics might harp on the fact that there's not much character development nor plot progression in this episode, we learnt a lot more about the little things on the fleet. All those little scenes are what made this episode worthwhile.

[duckroll]

I do feel that this episode feels like it could have been the OVA episode for the second BD box which somehow got converted into a full episode because they wanted fans to get to see it earlier. Probably not, but it has that "could fit anywhere in the middle of the series" vibe.

[Kirarakim]

Originally Posted by duckroll

I do feel that this episode feels like it could have been the OVA episode for the second BD box which somehow got converted into a full episode because they wanted fans to get to see it earlier. Probably not, but it has that "could fit anywhere in the middle of the series" vibe.

Yeah I think I would have been bothered less by this episode if it was one of the OVA's.

If this series had been 2 cour I would also be bothered less.

Although I still would dislike the Okama & girls getting fat jokes.

I really think the series could have done something more meaningful with Ledo's job search, well maybe they will in later episodes since at the end he is still searching.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Folenfant

I'm honestly kind of surprised though that it didn't feel like they really got any sort of character development in and is it me or did it feel like Ledo kind of broke character a bit when he was freaked out and running from the transvestites. What frame of reference could he possibly have for that sort of thing and why would Ledo the stoicest of stoics this seasons response be to flee in immediate terror?

There’s this thing called instinct you know . One of the most basic animal self-defense mechanism. Thanks to that, Ledo just knew deep down that those okamas are way more ‘dangerous’ than the Hideauze with just one glance.

Anyway, as a Ghibli fan, I really enjoy this episode where Ledo basically explore the world of Gargantia even deeper than before (with consequences ). Also, somehow I don’t give a damn for other girls-in-bikinis coz my eyes are fully on Ridget in her swimsuit .

Btw, Chamber is a total LOL-maker this episode. It's comedy gold ^^.

[zztop]

Originally Posted by duckroll

There's one more Nitro+ writer involved in the project who hasn't written a script yet. Probably soon. He's the one writing the "Boy and Giant" spin off novel for Gargantia. Apparently set during Ledo's days in the military.

http://gargantia.jp/#product_23

Does anyon know the English translation for the novel's Japanese summary per the link?

[zztop]

Oh, and 1 last thing:
http://gargantia.jp/#kaito_2

The above interview link has 2 images of Avalon, the Alliance space colony, as introduced in episode 1 of Gargantia.

The 2 diagrams are labelled in Japanese, but I am unable to read Japanese. I would like to ask if anyone knows how to translate the writing on the diagrams into English, as I am curious as to Avalon's construction.

PS. Scroll down to find images.

[jeroz]

Here's a question. Let's think of something

It has to scare Ledo, is relatively harmless, and will occupy a lot of his time.

There just got to be something that fits all bills.

[yankky5]

Originally Posted by jeroz

Here's a question. Let's think of something

It has to scare Ledo, is relatively harmless, and will occupy a lot of his time.

There just got to be something that fits all bills.

Bull shit?

Spoiler for also known as:

Cow manure

[jeroz]

lolol yeah he did face it earlier. That reaction is priceless

Funny how he found his two nemesis within the same episode.

[LKK]

I enjoyed everything about the except the okama scenes. Maybe it's my Western sensibilities, but I didn't find anything about them funny. Other than those, I liked this look at (1) what Gargantians do on a fine summer weekend day, (2) the lower side of Gargantian society (not everyone gets to live and play in the sun), and (3) Ledo's growing desire to belong. The biggest surprise was learning that Bevel can walk. I rated this episode a 7. I took off a couple of points for the okama scenes.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by LKK

I enjoyed everything about the except the okama scenes. Maybe it's my Western sensibilities, but I didn't find anything about them funny.

I don’t know how you treat okama in the US or Europe, but in many Asian countries, okamas are often used as a source for joke due to their ‘unusual’ behavior, their ‘funny’ way of talking and their open penchant for handsome guys.

[Funkatron]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I don’t know how you treat okama in the US or Europe, but in many Asian countries, okamas are often used as a source for joke due to their ‘unusual’ behavior, their ‘funny’ way of talking and their open penchant for handsome guys.

One Piece is a perfect example: they have a whole island of okama with the motto "Okama Way/O Come My Way"

[LKK]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I don’t know how you treat okama in the US or Europe, but in many Asian countries, okamas are often used as a source for joke due to their ‘unusual’ behavior, their ‘funny’ way of talking and their open penchant for handsome guys.

I know. That's why I phrased it as "my Western sensibilities". Right now, one of the hottest civil rights movement in the US is for & against gay rights and for & against the general acceptance of the LGBT community. It's a lightening rod issue for me. While I always try to temper my evaluation of other cultures with the realization that what I hold true is not necessarily what they hold true, on this issue, I cannot fully set aside my distaste regarding these depictions.

[Kirarakim]

Originally Posted by Funkatron

One Piece is a perfect example: they have a whole island of okama with the motto "Okama Way/O Come My Way"

Right and I don't like it in One Piece either but at least the humor fits the series tone a bit more (and the irony of it being Sanji stuck there).

Anyways it doesn't matter if this is how Japan is because it is a NEGATIVE stereotype and not funny.

In the 1930's I can say Blackface was just how it is in the US but that didn't make it right either.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I don’t know how you treat okama in the US or Europe, but in many Asian countries, okamas are often used as a source for joke due to their ‘unusual’ behavior, their ‘funny’ way of talking and their open penchant for handsome guys.

The problem is that's a derogative stereotype.

It isn't much different from how in the past you had the funny shorty large-toothed Chinese man. In the past it made people laugh, now not so much, even if you're not Asian it still makes you uncomfortable (unless you're racist).


PS: Okay I guess you still have that in cartoons such as family guy and the Simpsons, but when you watch those you know that they are satyrical and they have it for everyone.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

The problem is that's a derogative stereotype.

It isn't much different from how in the past you had the funny shorty large-toothed Chinese man. In the past it made people laugh, now not so much, even if you're not Asian it still makes you uncomfortable (unless you're racist).


PS: Okay I guess you still have that in cartoons such as family guy and the Simpsons, but when you watch those you know that they are satyrical and they have it for everyone.

Umm...I’m just stating the facts of what’s going on out there. Doesn’t mean I proudly support the idea of stereotyping okamas like that. So, please go easy on me with the "racist" thing.

In fact, I prefer the approach some other series taken toward okamas as they don’t portray them as the “creepy-funny, tend to crossdress, and agressive to handsome dudes” stereotype. Examples: Leeron Littner (Gurren Lagann) and Bobby Margot (Macross Frontier).



Those two okamas are portrayed as smart, warm, sharp, understanding, and able to kick-ass in their respective field of expertise (they're still funny though). I like those characters because of it (especially Leeron ).

[Gravitas Free Zone]

Bobby Margot turned out to have many different sides, which was surprising given the level of camp that he entered the scene with.

Even using the entire surface of the ship(s) as a farm, irrigation by giant sprinkler is wasteful because a lot of the water will evaporate or scatter before it hits the ground... especially if the sprinkler head is 500 feet in the air.

Pigs would be more efficient, but there's just something about cows? Because those were definitely cows.

Also, while confronting Ledo with a giant barn full of manure was amusing, on a practical level it would make sense for the ship to use the stuff to generate power through methane collection.

[DuelGundam2099]

The last episode had an actual point, this.... Was just pointless fan service junk. I expected better, but then again I am holding ut for possible skull smashing or spine ripping.