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Additionally, it seems like Touka looked at records for their ability, which is how she found Hajime and disregarded Nodoka. It doesn't seem like she took into account that some people - for whatever reason - can't seem to play at their full potential in a tournament until whatever is blocking them gets resolved. I feel like all the people she recruited were good already; she's a good scout but not a good developer of talent.
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2009-06-16, 15:38 | Link #1223 | |
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The biggest problem is you have to assume that your opponents can read discards enough to understand that it's a low risk discard (not a problem here) and that one of your opponents has the tile in their hand rather than buried further down the wall.
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2009-06-16, 21:52 | Link #1225 |
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Well it's not supposed to be either of those. It's just how Hisa goes about life in general. But it says something about the fact that she tends to constantly win out on the worst odds. Sorta like how the gods of luck seem to smile on Saki most of the time.
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2009-06-16, 22:53 | Link #1226 |
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Touka didn't recruit Nodoka cos she is younger. All the members on her team is the same age as her. She didn't have any extra people on her team (except the maid) or any junior club members. She wanted the same team of people every year.
Oh, Koromo is so adorable. Despite her arrogant attitude, she likes to be petted and praised. She wants to make friends so they play with her. All the club presidents seem pretty awesome in their own way. But Touka is just superb. Ryuumonbuchi ftw. |
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Touka is just uber, in many ways.
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2009-06-17, 03:56 | Link #1230 |
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I was rewatching Saki's ep. 1 win. Why exactly is her hand considered cheating (according to some reviewers)? You need 4 triples and 1 pair to win, that is, 14 tiles except when you call a kan, which gives you an extra tile. Therefore, 15 tiles is perfectly fine, no?
So she has a kan of the west tiles, 123 circle, 234 circle, triple of 9 circle, and a pair of bamboo for a total of 15 tiles. I don't understand how what is meant by 70 minipoint, 2 fan hand though... She gets 1 fan from getting king's tile draw and 1 fan for 3 value tiles. What is minipoints and how does she get the 70 minipoints?
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2009-06-17, 04:32 | Link #1231 |
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The hand you are talking about is not the hand that other people are talking about.
Anyway, in layman terms minipoints are like base points (determined by the individual sets of pairs, pungs and kangs and how you win th game). Whereas fans are mutipliers (determined by the the whole pattern of your winning hand). |
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Here's the simplest way I can explain how to calculate your minipoints (I'm omitting some special cases for clarity) You get 20 points just for winning. If your hand was concealed and you won by Ron, add 10 points. For each pung or kong in you hand, add 2^{1+2*Kong?+Concealed?+Terminal/Honor?} *** where the ? items are 1 if true, 0 if false Add 2 points for each of the following: Pair of dragons Pair of seat, prevalent wind Edge wait, closed wait, or pair wait Tsumo You round this up to the nearest factor of 10. There, simple, isn't it? Let's analyze Saki's hand to help this stay on topic: She had: Pung of 9 of circles chow of 1, 2, 3 of circles chow of 2, 3, 4 of circles Kong of West winds Pair of 2 bamboo Her hand was fully concealed, she won by drawing the replacement tile. So her minipoints are: 20 for winning + 2^{1+1(concealed)+1(terminal)}(pung of 9s)+ 2^{1+2(kong)+1(concealed)+1(honor)}(kong)+2(tsumo) +2(pair wait) = 20+8+32+2+2 = 64 rounds up to 70.
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2009-06-17, 10:27 | Link #1233 | |
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2009-06-17, 17:34 | Link #1234 |
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Ah. Okay. Thanks for the explanations!
So. We've had it speculated in this thread why Touka hadn't recruited Nodoka and tentatively concluded that Touka was recruiting a group for her year to play with through all of high school. Here's a thought: Why didn't Touka recruit Hisa or Mihoko? Hisa, in particular, is interesting because she probably showed a lot of potential at the national middle school tournament. Hisa's fall off the mahjong map and inability to attend expensive schools, so to say, shouldn't be a problem for Touka with her money and connections to first, find Hisa and second, to offer a scholarship to Ryuumonbuchi. The obscureness of Hisa would also be intriguing since Touka seemed to go out of her way to find the diamond in the rough types. Edit: Darn. I just remembered that Hisa and Mihoko are third years and hence, a year older than Touka. Hrmmm. The only notable second year outside of Ryuumonbuchi, I believe, is Kana... Tsuruga's two main players are a third year and a first year, right?
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While rewatching episode 3, I paused to read what it said about Teru.
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2009-06-18, 22:21 | Link #1238 |
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Though I'm wondering about something. .
Saki had said that she dislike to win because she didn't want to make her family angry. It was as if she can actually beat her family (Teru and her mother and father) if she had tried
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Well, for all we know the rin shan kaihou is just what she does while holding back. Saki's true power could be Nine Gates or something. Don't forget, this is a sports anime/manga. After the prefectural quals, Saki and the team are going to have to go and do some super training somewhere and upgrade all their "powers".
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First, Teru's specialty is crazy.
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