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StratoSpear · 2012-01-02, 03:49

Sceeeeney~

Spoiler for Scene:

Kinda challenging trying to establish a proper response from characters that are already presented in canon... Still...

Eratas123 · 2012-01-02, 03:50

Is everybody scared of Chifuyu in that school?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-01-02, 03:52

No, Yachi, the problem is when the weapon have contact with the I.S. body.

As you said, it never happen so far since there's no electric-contact weapon in sight, and as we can see, sometimes the shield is NOT working automatically (case in point: Cecilia shot Ichika on the shoulder, Ichika shot Laura on the back, Laura shot Lingyin on the shoulder cannon....) you can imagine how this go, and how it was dangerous.

demino_hellsin · 2012-01-02, 03:52

what do you guys think an IS shield is comprised of? Pure energy? particles? something?

Eratas123 · 2012-01-02, 03:53

@ Demi -It's made of unobtanium taken from a plot hole

ZeroXSEED · 2012-01-02, 03:57

@ Demi
Agree with Eras, I'm in line that "I.S. shield are electric-powered magic barrier"

demino_hellsin · 2012-01-02, 03:58

so a bullet specially made to draw out the shield is a bust?

Eratas123 · 2012-01-02, 04:00

@ Demi - Unless that gun came from a plot hole as well, I doubt it. There really isn't any way to counter an IS trough conventional means. We can't apply real world logic to something like that.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-01-02, 04:01

Probably, since I.S. shield has very hard constitution, to the point that even I.S. grade weapon that is able to pierce the standard barrier got shattered by absolute defense (or else it'll ricochet).

demino_hellsin · 2012-01-02, 04:04

The point of the bullet isn't to shatter the shield. The point of the bullet is to make the IS expend more shield than necessary. So it's natural that the bullet will be blocked, but it'll eat away at the battery(somewhat like a trick bullet?)

ZeroXSEED · 2012-01-02, 04:05

Three words:
Plasma Warhead Projectile

Eratas123 · 2012-01-02, 04:08

@ Senpai and Demi - This is the series where a robot with a BFS managed to sopt thousands to missiles. We can throw tech logic out the window here, at least when it deals with the IS units.

demino_hellsin · 2012-01-02, 04:11

If it really is weak to plasma then it's just charged particles or something -_-"

The bullet isn't plasma, it really does just suck in more shield.

Taken from armored core shield idea. Kojima particles condense and gather into a non-gaseous state. This blocks most if not all weaponry since it's a body of charged particles blocking. An IS probably has similar shield particles that enable the stasis of livable conditions as well as block oncoming impact weapons.

The bullet would trick the shield into thinking that the tiny 9mm is a 90mm cannon shell or something. Thus causing the shield to use more than it's supposed to.

>.>

EDIT: era-era: I thought the same thing for gundam 00, then a single forum post changed my views on it. And if it was absolutely unexplainable then the series just loses half of its beauty for me(selfish views).

Eratas123 · 2012-01-02, 04:15

@ Demi - I know it's impossible for real world tech to even dent an I.S. That's why the normals in SHadow use special tech. Irish's Jammer knife being a good example.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-01-02, 04:19

@ Eras
By technicality we're trying not to break canon since the rules are established there (although I did it several times already). Trick bullet however already there in Rain and Meister's old fanon (through both has different principles).

I took a middle ground that said trick bullet works within the stated principles that plasma are good against the barrier.

demino_hellsin · 2012-01-02, 04:19

That's if you apply real world tech in a blunt force manner. you send in a massive force for an offensive is normal military procedure. The carriers, jets and such were sent in knowing NOTHING about what they were up against. Like heck they could dent something that had shielding they were unaware of. They had no idea of its maneuverability, no idea of weapon payload. Going into combat knowing that they were up against a machine armed with technology decades beyond their own might've given them a better chance, no matter how small. The whole thing wouldn't be a curbstomp with precise recordings of exactly how much fail the military of at least 5 countries were.

Eratas123 · 2012-01-02, 04:22

@ Senpai and Demi - Is everyone in school scared of Chifuyu or something?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-01-02, 04:23

Hence Stratos idea that even pesky F-15 can beat a drone if used PROPERLY, then again it was called drone for obvious reason (being weaker and produced at large quantity, real robot style).

We're not going to push anyone around, of course. Everyone has their own principles in writing.

@Eras

Yes, maybe. Most, but probably not all. Don't forget that she's also well respected.

demino_hellsin · 2012-01-02, 04:24

half of them are idolizing(some might be homosexual) fans.

EDIT: Jets seem to have the weakness of having a limited turning angle, reducing maneuverability by a lot. That's why mobile suits beat them badly in gundam.

Eratas123 · 2012-01-02, 04:27

She seems to be a memetic badass in the fandom

Is there a specific reason for this?

2012-01-02, 03:49	Link #16121
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	Sceeeeney~ Spoiler for Scene: Meanwhile, Ichika wanders around the fighting games area along with Houki, trying to find a particular game. “They should have one around here… Hmm~” Ichika mumbles as he looks around. “Umm, Ichika? What are you looking for?” “Something… Ah! Found it!” He exclaims then rushes over to one of the games which turn out to be an all-stars slugfest fighting game. “What is that?” “It’s a two-player fighting game I used to play. Though I might have lost some touch…” “Is that so…?” “Yeah… Would you like to try it out? I can show you the ropes.” “I uuh… I dunno. I’ve never played any of these games before, let alone coming to these kinds of places.” “It’s easy, don’t worry about it!” He dismisses her concerns while slotting in a couple of tokens into the machine’s token slot. “Well… Since you’re teaching… I guess I could try.” She then proceeds to sit down on a stool next to Ichika as he starts up a game. The screen then shows them a character selection menu, with Houki raising an eyebrow as she has no idea what to do. “Woah… What do I do here?” “Move the stick to choose your character then hit this button to select them.” He explains while pointing towards a blue button in front of her. After guiding her through another screen, the game begins with Ichika and Houki’s selected characters at opposite sides of the screen. “And here’s where the fight starts!” He says while tapping a button which makes his character throw a light punch at Houki’s, slightly annoying her. “Eh? Hey! How did you…?” She then taps a button on her side of the board. The button makes her character deliver a kick to his. “There, you got it, Houki!” “I did? Well then…!” She starts mashing random combinations of button as her character responses with various attacks, surprising Ichika. “Che… Like I’ll let you!” He remarks with a grin as he also presses the buttons while tilting the joystick about to move his character around the screen. Kinda challenging trying to establish a proper response from characters that are already presented in canon... Still... __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-01-02, 03:50	Link #16122
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Is everybody scared of Chifuyu in that school? __________________

2012-01-02, 03:52	Link #16123
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	No, Yachi, the problem is when the weapon have contact with the I.S. body. As you said, it never happen so far since there's no electric-contact weapon in sight, and as we can see, sometimes the shield is NOT working automatically (case in point: Cecilia shot Ichika on the shoulder, Ichika shot Laura on the back, Laura shot Lingyin on the shoulder cannon....) you can imagine how this go, and how it was dangerous. __________________

2012-01-02, 03:53	Link #16125
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Demi -It's made of unobtanium taken from a plot hole __________________

2012-01-02, 03:57	Link #16126
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Demi Agree with Eras, I'm in line that "I.S. shield are electric-powered magic barrier" __________________

2012-01-02, 03:52	Link #16124
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	what do you guys think an IS shield is comprised of? Pure energy? particles? something?

2012-01-02, 03:58	Link #16127
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	so a bullet specially made to draw out the shield is a bust?

2012-01-02, 04:00	Link #16128
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Demi - Unless that gun came from a plot hole as well, I doubt it. There really isn't any way to counter an IS trough conventional means. We can't apply real world logic to something like that. __________________

2012-01-02, 04:01	Link #16129
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Probably, since I.S. shield has very hard constitution, to the point that even I.S. grade weapon that is able to pierce the standard barrier got shattered by absolute defense (or else it'll ricochet). __________________

2012-01-02, 04:04	Link #16130
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	The point of the bullet isn't to shatter the shield. The point of the bullet is to make the IS expend more shield than necessary. So it's natural that the bullet will be blocked, but it'll eat away at the battery(somewhat like a trick bullet?)

2012-01-02, 04:05	Link #16131
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Three words: Plasma Warhead Projectile __________________

2012-01-02, 04:08	Link #16132
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Senpai and Demi - This is the series where a robot with a BFS managed to sopt thousands to missiles. We can throw tech logic out the window here, at least when it deals with the IS units. __________________

2012-01-02, 04:11	Link #16133
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	If it really is weak to plasma then it's just charged particles or something -_-" The bullet isn't plasma, it really does just suck in more shield. Taken from armored core shield idea. Kojima particles condense and gather into a non-gaseous state. This blocks most if not all weaponry since it's a body of charged particles blocking. An IS probably has similar shield particles that enable the stasis of livable conditions as well as block oncoming impact weapons. The bullet would trick the shield into thinking that the tiny 9mm is a 90mm cannon shell or something. Thus causing the shield to use more than it's supposed to. >.> EDIT: era-era: I thought the same thing for gundam 00, then a single forum post changed my views on it. And if it was absolutely unexplainable then the series just loses half of its beauty for me(selfish views).

2012-01-02, 04:15	Link #16134
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Demi - I know it's impossible for real world tech to even dent an I.S. That's why the normals in SHadow use special tech. Irish's Jammer knife being a good example. __________________

2012-01-02, 04:19	Link #16135
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Eras By technicality we're trying not to break canon since the rules are established there (although I did it several times already). Trick bullet however already there in Rain and Meister's old fanon (through both has different principles). I took a middle ground that said trick bullet works within the stated principles that plasma are good against the barrier. __________________

2012-01-02, 04:19	Link #16136
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	That's if you apply real world tech in a blunt force manner. you send in a massive force for an offensive is normal military procedure. The carriers, jets and such were sent in knowing NOTHING about what they were up against. Like heck they could dent something that had shielding they were unaware of. They had no idea of its maneuverability, no idea of weapon payload. Going into combat knowing that they were up against a machine armed with technology decades beyond their own might've given them a better chance, no matter how small. The whole thing wouldn't be a curbstomp with precise recordings of exactly how much fail the military of at least 5 countries were.

2012-01-02, 04:22	Link #16137
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Senpai and Demi - Is everyone in school scared of Chifuyu or something? __________________

2012-01-02, 04:23	Link #16138
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Hence Stratos idea that even pesky F-15 can beat a drone if used PROPERLY, then again it was called drone for obvious reason (being weaker and produced at large quantity, real robot style). We're not going to push anyone around, of course. Everyone has their own principles in writing. @Eras Yes, maybe. Most, but probably not all. Don't forget that she's also well respected. __________________

2012-01-02, 04:24	Link #16139
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	half of them are idolizing(some might be homosexual) fans. EDIT: Jets seem to have the weakness of having a limited turning angle, reducing maneuverability by a lot. That's why mobile suits beat them badly in gundam.

2012-01-02, 04:27	Link #16140
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	She seems to be a memetic badass in the fandom Is there a specific reason for this? __________________