2010-09-24, 17:28 | Link #62 |
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Tousen was great as always, and his hollowification was EPiC.
I have 2 theories: First is: Tousen was right about everything he said to koma, he's not corrupted the Soul Society is .. he always seeking for justice and he was searching for it everywhere he went and finally he found it with Aizen and that explain that Aizen's goal is more justice than Soul Society. It might Tousen discovered the real face behind SS and followed Aizen who was already knew everything about them. The other theory is Tousen's mind was played by Aizen, he convinced Tousen that SS is the reason behind his friend's death and they must bring justice to this world. I know Tousen is not stupid to believe this but maybe Aizen was so good. To me, I will go with the first theory, I always have the feeling that SS are the Evil side (not all of them of course) but the big head of SS , their rules and thoughts are bad and evil .. im not saying Aizen is good but SS is not either. |
2010-09-25, 09:22 | Link #64 |
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Ah, but with Tousen's Bankai (which he used against Kenpachi), what was Tousen's overall advantage?
sure it basically eliminated every sense (cept for touch/pain) from his opponent, plus his Bankai would've forced Tousen and whom ever kept in a confined space. but in the end did we really see any sort of actual increase in Tousen's abilities while his Bankai was active? Well, honestly, if you ask me, I didnt see any with Kenpachi in there |
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So it stands to reason that Vizard-Tousen would still retain the same strength and speed boosts he has right now if he were to use hollowfication + Bankai. |
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2010-09-25, 10:09 | Link #66 | |
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Yes I am not talking really Why would Tousen use Bankai if he knows Koumura would have already seen it before. fI Tousen used his bankai he would have been playing on a equal stage with the rest of the shinigamis. But I think it would be best if he was able to do like Ichigo does use bankai with your hollow mask on like you said basically. I wonder if him not using bankai had anything to do with the fact of the speech he said. I mean by using bankai he shows that he has not yet submitted to this form and I am still your friend. I mean after all Ichigo uses bankai in his hollow state, but he has yet to submit himself to his hollow. He is still says he is a shinigami instead of vizard like Shinji and the others(Who also don't use bankai before hollowfication)
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2010-09-25, 18:55 | Link #68 | |
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He was attempting the pointless endeavor of trying to instill fear into a man with no fear instead of doing what was important -- winning the battle. Otherwise, he's perfectly capable of ending a fight in a single attack with his Bankai. But only when it's convenient for the plot. The way he used his Bankai back in TBtP is a prime example of his Bankai put to good use. It'll probably never happen again though. |
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2010-09-25, 19:30 | Link #70 |
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I saw it and it isn't that overpowered and I should know. I mean really lets say a person who doesn't fear like Kenpachi or a person who uses there mind not there eyes to attack could stop a bankai like Tousen. People like Aizen though can easily stop a ability like that. But then if Gin faced Tousen's bankai he would lose to it
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So even against someone who has no fear, that *shouldn't* really give them much of an advantage if his Bankai is used appropriately. Unless someone is used to fighting under the conditions his bankai creates, adapting to those conditions quick enough to avoid being blitzed from someone that fast is practically inconceivable. We also haven't seen anyone in this series so far (aside from Tousen) who relies more so on their "mind" to attack as oppose to their eyes. Even if there was such a character in this series, they'd still have to get used to not being able to hear, smell AND sense spiritual energy. Because Tousen's Bankai blocks that too. Quote:
Remember, he's the only one in this entire series so far, who never has to worry about getting caught in hypnosis. So it's not like Aizen could use that to escape. --------------------------- *removed for spoilers* --------------------------- So Aizen losing to Tousen and his Bankai wouldn't be too unbelievable if Tousen went straight in for the kill. Truthfully, there's only a very small number of characters in this entire series who'd stand a decent chance against Tousen and his bankai (assuming Tousen played it smart and went straight for a fatal blow every time) -anyone with high speed regeneration capabilities (minus any weak fodder hollows) -Barragan -Ichigo (for having plot-kai that holds no bounds) -Yamamoto (for having insane area-of-effect/AoE attacks). Last edited by sayde; 2010-09-29 at 00:03. |
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2010-09-26, 03:31 | Link #74 |
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Surely if he just activated Shinsou and turned around loads of time (or ran in a straight line until he felt a wall and then just swiped from side to side) he could either get Tousen or at least keep him at bay, especially seeing as he'd be able to feel touch through his blade and adapt to it (he is a genius, after all)
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2010-09-26, 06:07 | Link #75 | |
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Besides, even if he could make it towards a wall, he'd still have a problem. The width of his sword is just too short to make swinging recklessly in front (or all around him) a safe thing to do. To put what I'm stating into perspective a little bit, Gin would basically need nothing short of the ability to swing a tall and very long wall back and forth, really fast, without falter in order to ensure Tousen stays far away and can't simply jump or crouch under each swing. Otherwise, Tousen could just as easily use shunpo to take advantage of a missed attempt. Without the ability to see or hear, keeping him at bay would be pretty difficult to do since he'd lack the senses needed to adjust the height of each swing (in order to force Tousen into evading/blocking each time). The last thing I wanted to point out is that Gin rarely uses shinsou to make extremely long, broad, side-sweeping swings (even when he can see). He seems to mostly take advantage of it's ability to expand and contract far distances really fast making Shinsou first and foremost used like a high powered gun -- hence the release command "shoot to kill". Now if I had to take a guess as to why that is, I'd have to assume it's because swinging around a blade while it's at such an impractical length just isn't very...practical. If the blade is too long, it's too slow to swing, too easy to see coming, and too easy for the opponent to make a counter-attack if & when evaded. So I'm not sure the tactic would be all that beneficial even with all of Gin's senses still in-tact. |
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I'd say that Byakuya could defeat Tousen's bankai with Senbonzakura Kageyoshi - either by spamming the area with petals (defending and attacking) until he got a hit (he should be able to feel if his weapons hit) or using them to help him feel out (as they should be able to change into many forms) and keeping a couple of his 2nd form swords to attack with - although that probably wouldn't happen, as in the Bleach universe, having an attack plan is for wusses apparently |
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