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You don't understand how powerful The Book of the Law is. It is thousands or millions of times more powerful than any nuclear weapon on Earth. Plus, they have no intentions of using the power, just telling Agnese to "back off, we have a very powerful weapon, and we're not afraid to use it".
Then they didn't need to properly decode it, just bluff.
Sorry, this arc just had too many logic holes for me.
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While I am the biggest moe-nut I know, this direction for Kaori's character may not be the best idea:
Making her vulnerable, indecisive and "cute" has the same effect of what happened when the same was applied to Kanu Unchou of the Ikkitousen franchise:
Damage of character integrity.
Both warrior women are defined by the fact that they are (legally) adults who are the sole voice of reason, maturity and dignity amongst the women of the cast.
For crying out loud, we are already more than satisfied with a cast of adorable 14 to 16 year old Tsunderes, nuns, busty glasses clad shy cuties, mikos and psycho twin tailed lesbians. Yay, I'm taking Kuroko-chan AND Index-chan home with me!!
There is NO need to lower a dignified and honorable Lady Warrior, a noble Dragon Amongst Men, to the level of a helpless and vulnerable child to further pander to the indiscriminant need for cuteness.
There is NO need to lower a dignified and honorable Lady Warrior, a noble Dragon Amongst Men, to the level of a helpless and vulnerable child to further pander to the indiscriminant need for cuteness.
Well, I like it. But- this is exactly what happened in the light novels, so I can't really complain. But Kanzaki can still kick rear no matter what- but honestly, couldn't you see this coming? I certainly did from the Angel Fall arc.
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While I am the biggest moe-nut I know, this direction for Kaori's character may not be the best idea:
Making her vulnerable, indecisive and "cute" has the same effect of what happened when the same was applied to Kanu Unchou of the Ikkitousen franchise:
Damage of character integrity.
Both warrior women are defined by the fact that they are (legally) adults who are the sole voice of reason, maturity and dignity amongst the women of the cast.
For crying out loud, we are already more than satisfied with a cast of adorable 14 to 16 year old Tsunderes, nuns, busty glasses clad shy cuties, mikos and psycho twin tailed lesbians. Yay, I'm taking Kuroko-chan AND Index-chan home with me!!
There is NO need to lower a dignified and honorable Lady Warrior, a noble Dragon Amongst Men, to the level of a helpless and vulnerable child to further pander to the indiscriminant need for cuteness.
Well...
It might not help that she... uh, wasn't that "dignified" and have that cold(-ish) persona to begin with. Her coldness stemmed from her being unable to save Index from losing her (Index) memories of her (Kaori) and the aftermath of it.
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Then they didn't need to properly decode it, just bluff.
Sorry, this arc just had too many logic holes for me.
Ding ding ding. If it's that dangerous, why in god's name would you have anyone even touch the damn thing. It should have been buried in some vault underwater where nobody has access to it instead of trying to decode it. Did they mention if you can burn or destroy the book or not? This arc was a mess.
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Ding ding ding. If it's that dangerous, why in god's name would you have anyone even touch the damn thing. It should have been buried in some vault underwater where nobody has access to it instead of trying to decode it. Did they mention if you can burn or destroy the book or not? This arc was a mess.
Index mentioned before this episode that they don't burn.
Touma did ask "If it's that dangerous, why don't you just burn it?"
Index: "Magic books don't burn."
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They tried nukes before using it(on Japan) in a controlled environment. I mean you're about to kill someone off and you're not even sure if it works. I mean Index tried the exact same method so someone knew it didn't work.
Rome Catholic and Angelican don't share information too often, Index isn't going to tell which method works or not, she does all the decoding in her head.
And you're not getting my point, they do not want the book decoded at all. No they're not going to take that chance, no they don't need that power at all. and yes they would resort to killing her if they deem so.
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Then they didn't need to properly decode it, just bluff.
Sorry, this arc just had too many logic holes for me.
lol and if the bluff doesn't work?
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Ding ding ding. If it's that dangerous, why in god's name would you have anyone even touch the damn thing. It should have been buried in some vault underwater where nobody has access to it instead of trying to decode it. Did they mention if you can burn or destroy the book or not? This arc was a mess.
Maybe you should try paying attention to the previous episodes instead of blindly yelling out plotholes?
No, you cannot destroy magic books, that's the problem in the first place. The second best thing they could do is to seal it. However that means that people would still find reasons to fight for them.
Orsula was trying to decode the book because she figure by understanding how the book is written, she might be able to find a way to destroy them. That is why she wanted to decode the books, and this is obviously against the wishes of the Church cause despite all their talk, those who control the grimoire control a very powerful weapon and they wouldn't want it destroyed.
The only way to destroy any original grimoire without resorting to Imagine Breaker is to decode it first. And do you even remember what happens when you even try to read and understand the text of an original grimoire? Learn to pay attention.
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Destroy magic books? Index pointed that out already that the reason why they are sealed instead of destroyed is because they can't be done so.
Decode? Look back to episode 1, one of the possible consequences of trying to understand a grimoire. A normal magician reduced to the level where cats can injure them.
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Orsula was trying to decode the book because she figure by understanding how the book is written, she might be able to find a way to destroy them. That is why she wanted to decode the books, and this is obviously against the wishes of the Church cause despite all their talk, those who control the grimoire control a very powerful weapon and they wouldn't want it destroyed.
I think they very much want the book destroyed. After all, the grimoire's power is specifically to destroy all of Christianity. The Catholic Church doesn't get a lot of use out of that, I imagine. Can't really tell heretics, "Stop blaspheming or we'll destroy ourselves!" Deicide is very, very bad for a religion. But as has been said, destroying the tome is impossible, so they keep the book sealed away.
I'm curious how Orsula was able to decode the book--albeit unsuccessfully--if she didn't have access to the Vatican's secret library. Apparently they put digital copies of religion-ending magic tomes on their library computers so students at Seminary can write their dissertations?
I think they very much want the book destroyed. After all, the grimoire's power is specifically to destroy all of Christianity. The Catholic Church doesn't get a lot of use out of that, I imagine. Can't really tell heretics, "Stop blaspheming or we'll destroy ourselves!" Deicide is very, very bad for a religion. But as has been said, destroying the tome is impossible, so they keep the book sealed away.
I suppose it's both? They want to get rid of this heretic book, but they cannot risk someone gaining it's power.
Look at it this way, even if Orsula doesn't intend to use the Book of the Law, what happens if someone were to kidnap her and coerce her into revealing it? The Book is nothing without a decoder, and since you can't destroy the book, you kill the decoder.
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I'm curious how Orsula was able to decode the book--albeit unsuccessfully--if she didn't have access to the Vatican's secret library. Apparently they put digital copies of religion-ending magic tomes on their library computers so students at Seminary can write their dissertations?
I don't recall all the details, but I do remember that they had replicas of the Book for display purposes. She might not need the entire book, just a few pages to study the code.
Or maybe she had access to the real Book, but nobody thought she could actual do it?
I suppose it's both? They want to get rid of this heretic book, but they cannot risk someone gaining it's power.
Look at it this way, even if Orsula doesn't intend to use the Book of the Law, what happens if someone were to kidnap her and coerce her into revealing it? The Book is nothing without a decoder, and since you can't destroy the book, you kill the decoder.
Angels in Toaruverse are beings that beyond powerful, they have spells that can affect the planet on a global scale as well as control other celestial bodies like the Sun and stars.
I don't recall all the details, but I do remember that they had replicas of the Book for display purposes. She might not need the entire book, just a few pages to study the code.
Or maybe she had access to the real Book, but nobody thought she could actual do it?
Yeah, I got that much. A lot like how in war, they have a soldier escort radiomen who know military codes. "Don't let it fall into enemy hands," and all that. It makes sense, but I'm still sad that, once again, the Roman Catholics are the "conniving bad guys" in this arc. Touma declaring that there's "no rule saying they have to be the enemy next time" made me happy, though.
By the way, why was it that Kanzaki was just an observer? I couldn't really understand her role in this arc. I mean, I got that the Amakusa are trying to make up for apparently getting slaughtered in previous battles and want to follow "a righteous path" because Kanzaki felt guilty for their deaths, but really, I didn't get why Kanzaki was there at all. Her role seems kind of forced and contrived in this arc. I'd rewatch it, but the parts where she's on screen seemed mostly throw-away.
She was the main reason why the Amakusa were fighting for their beliefs. However, she has decided that she wants them to learn to fight without her presence, so that they can develop on their own. One can call Kaori's care for Amakusa as somewhat motherly, don't you think?
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I think they very much want the book destroyed. After all, the grimoire's power is specifically to destroy all of Christianity. The Catholic Church doesn't get a lot of use out of that, I imagine. Can't really tell heretics, "Stop blaspheming or we'll destroy ourselves!" Deicide is very, very bad for a religion. But as has been said, destroying the tome is impossible, so they keep the book sealed away.
I'm curious how Orsula was able to decode the book--albeit unsuccessfully--if she didn't have access to the Vatican's secret library. Apparently they put digital copies of religion-ending magic tomes on their library computers so students at Seminary can write their dissertations?
Okay I tried to stay away as on this kind of topic but I can't anymore I even ignored the previews episode but since it's the end of the arc....
first and foremost how the heck does the book of law was send to the japan to begin with. Well the Roman Catholics use it for making their religion bigger. They plan to display it on a museum now look at that why would they display a grimoire on a museum just for ordinary japanese to look at it and be evangelize to become a catholic. But like an ordinary citizen can even understand such thing. Well for an ordinary citizen a grimoire is just a book. Look at index she doesn't have mana that's why she's the store or library of books.
Theirs a borderline of magicians and espers. One who doesn't release an Aim is not an esper and can become a magicians. Now they are displaying it to see a possible recruit. Look at Agnese background story. She's in dumps. The anime skips the part where she even eats garbage and cockroach to survive. But the Roman Catholics found her and find potential on her and recruit her.
They use the book and their gospel to find recruits and make their over 2 billion member more bigger. Now back to the grimoire of why even show it to the public. Well a magician would be toasted if he/she reads it but an ordinary citizen without magic training or any kind of training in manipulating mana would probably take less damage but their would be a reaction. And if their is a reaction their is potential.
Now the troublesome part is here. If you had potential it's either join or be abandon or worst be killed by the Roman Catholics. Remember the Roman Catholics of toaruverse are the same when the Roman Catholics are still not known around the world. They go to your country conquer you and spread their words. Dark Times.
Now back to the book of LAW. The book of law is known for "MAGICIANS" that it would lead to Christianities end but it's not like a normal citizen would understand such thing because for them it's just a book. For a magcian a grimoire is poison. Look at episode 1. They purposely show it so you would understand on what would happen when a lowly magician tries to "PEAK" a "BIT ONLY" on the grimoire. Ouma from episode 1. Still didn't fully acquire the book he need. His still beginning to read it but the damage is that fatal already. Now if a magician tries to decode that book of law. Imagine what would happen. Many tried to decode but many was sacrifice too and all that sacrifice are in vain to begin with. Because all lead to "wrong" answer. It's not the answer that they expect it would lead them too.
To destroy a grimoire one needs to know it's content because hidden on it is the way to destroy it. Grimoire are protected with the magic knowledge embedded on it. The knowledge itself is the poison that would rot your brain.
Now onto the book of law again. Why was it in japan? for advertisement or gospel or channelization or just for the sake of "ordinary people" to know christianity. To become wildly known. But when the news of the "book of law" is being sent to japan for displaying of course magicians would be interested on it and not just ordinary people. Magicians that want to destroy the reign of Roman Catholics. It works as a way to spread Roman Catholics and also a trap to lure on who wants to end it. That's why I said it's either join, abandon or be killed law.
The roman catholics sealed the original book of law inside the deepest vault of vatican library which is protected by vatican. Now if you want to go agains the roman catholics headquarters then you need to at least bring down an arch angel level to go against them.
Their are lots of copies of book of law. But that's useless for magicians because it doesn't had the knowledge they need but can be used as a reference for grimoire decoders like Orsola. Orsola evangelize and spread the word of god and with it she also studies grimoire and ways to destroy it. And the book of law being the most dangerous she wants to destroy it the most.
Roman catholics doesn't had a single reason on wanting it to be decode even if it would lead to destroying it because the even if at first you want to destroy it. The knowledge might poison your mind or you would ended up drunk by power and ended up going against them.
By the way, why was it that Kanzaki was just an observer? I couldn't really understand her role in this arc. I mean, I got that the Amakusa are trying to make up for apparently getting slaughtered in previous battles and want to follow "a righteous path" because Kanzaki felt guilty for their deaths, but really, I didn't get why Kanzaki was there at all. Her role seems kind of forced and contrived in this arc. I'd rewatch it, but the parts where she's on screen seemed mostly throw-away.
Actually, I agree with this statement, I don't see why Kanzaki needed to appear in this arc except as a reason for Necessarius to get involve. Originally this was an internal matter for the RCC there's no need for Stiyl or Index to help them. But because Necessarius fears the political backlash should Kaori side with the Amakusa, they sent Stiyl, Index and Touma to assist.
As for Kanzaki's motive, she just wanted to see if the Amakusa have strayed from their path, and whether they could carry on without her or would they just fall apart.
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lol and if the bluff doesn't work?
Because if they don't really intend to use the magic book, but just threaten that they will then it's a bluff anyways!
They are already planning to bluff. They don't plan on actually using such destructive power. So why do they need to actually decode it? Just bluff that they decoded it as well.
Look- it didn't even need to change the plot. Someone could point out that a bluff is dangerous and commits them to a high risk of being called on it. Then they decide to go with Touma's plan- which is fine by me, that would make sense.
But instead they made it seem like the problem was that the decoding wasn't correct, which made the bluff impossible.
You all got your fanboy blinders on. I like A Certain Magical Index, but this arc just sucked. There is some potential there in the story, but the execution was terrible.
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Well, again, we'll let the text provide some insight.
Spoiler for Volume 7, the planning part:
Suddenly, a door of the "Fuyou Chapel" opens, as Kamijou Touma stands at the door that’s opened outwards. Orsola, who’s injured badly, is standing behind him, using the bandaged minute hand of a large clock as a crutch. Maybe Kamijou feels that carrying Orsola around while running isn’t the way to go that he’s hiding in the "Fuyou Chapel".
In this critical moment, Index, Stiyl and Tatemiya rush into the "Fuyou Chapel". Kamijou hastily closes the door. Right at this moment, numerous blades are stabbed into the 5-cm-thick oak door.
In a short time, the door had blocked the Roman Catholic nuns' attacks.
But a door like this cannot withstand for much longer. Using the story of the Three Little Pigs as an illustration, it’s like they're hiding in a straw house now.
“Seems like everyone’s okay… Orsola, can you walk?”
“You really like to worry. My injuries aren’t that serious.”
Orsola’s injuries are definitely serious; it’s just that they're hidden underneath her nun robes, so nobody can see it. Even so, she still weakly smiles at Kamijou. Although Kamijou’s feeling compassionate, he can’t do anything. So, he barely changes the subject.
“…Okay, now what?”
Nobody can answer that question. Everyone present realizes that the stalemate that was originally there is gone now.
The Amakusa members out there are surviving through their own sneak attacks and escapes, so they’re already busy themselves and can’t possibly help now.
*Pang!* *Bam!* Like nails being hammered into wood, the number of holes on the wall continues to increase.
Index looks extremely pale as she says,
“They… just… stabbed their ears like that… My ‘Sheol Fear’ cannot work…”
Maybe Index is still thinking about how the nuns stabbed their ears with fountain pens that blood seems to have been drained from her face.
“The ‘Spell Intercept’ can only work against one person at a time. It’s impossible to interfere when there are so many people chanting their spells…”
“Oh?”
Index continues to analyze her battle capabilities, and Kamijou’s all confused now. He doesn’t even know what Index did based on what principle.
Tatemiya then says,
“Although my subordinates are hard-working, I guess it’s hard for them to reverse the situation. Humans are at their scariest when they’re willing to sacrifice themselves. No matter how good an expert fighter is, he can’t handle a group of people rushing like a flood. It’s like how an army of ants can kill any beast.”
His tone is full of reluctance, overlapping with the sounds of blades being stabbed into the door and being pulled out. Several eyeballs are peeking into the dug-out holes.
Kamijou feels chilly in his stomach.
Once the door breaks open, several hundred armed nuns will rush in like a landslide. If they can’t come up with an answer within these next few minutes, everyone inside will be unable to survive.
But the more suggestions everyone gives, the more they sink into despair. Although Kamijou's as panicky as an ant on a hot pot, he’s at a loss on what to do.
“Eh… If… we have ‘The Book of the Law’, maybe we can find a spell to protect ourselves using my code.”
Orsola suddenly asks.
Everyone turns to look at her.
"The Book of the Law".
Although it’s the cause of everything, the magic book had been long forgotten by everyone. The forbidden book written by Edward Alexander- also known as Crowley, the greatest magician in the world- contains a strong power and knowledge, said to be able to allow humans to use the "Angelic Spells". Just opening one page is said to be able to end this Christian age.
Since "The Book of the Law" is so dangerous, "breaking the seal of ‘The Book of the Law’" can be used as a negotiating tool.
“Too bad ‘The Book of the Law’ wasn’t stolen; it was all a ploy to frame us. In other words, the real ‘Book of the Law’ may not even be in Japan. They only brought a fake, and the original should still be in the Vatican; we have no-”
“It’s here!”
Kamijou and Index shout out at the same time.
That’s right, the original "Book of the Law" is here.
“Index, although you’re unable to decode ‘The Book of the Law’, you might have memorized it thoroughly in order to decode it, right? You do have the original text of ‘The Book of the Law’ in your head, right?”
“Un, I still remember those codes that aren’t decoded yet.”
“No way! If you do so, she’ll memorize the correct content of ‘The Book of the Law’! That means that even more magicians will want her!”
“Are you worrying about me?”
Index, who only treated Stiyl as "somebody who has nothing to do with her", asks suspiciously. Stiyl, who treats Index as an "old friend", doesn’t know how to reply, and his face is flushed red. But Stiyl smacks his mouth again, not saying anything more. Stiyl is clear that Index already knows that the magicians are chasing after her, so no reason will stop her. Besides, there’s no other way out.
Stiyl thinks for a while. Conflicting thoughts are inside his head like angels fighting against each other. He suddenly shouts,
“Kamijou Touma!”
“What… what now?”
“You have to be even stronger! If there’s any consequence that harms her in any way, I’ll burn your body, heart, and soul until there’s not even ash!”
Stiyl then cursed, smacks his mouth again, and turns around. Index still looks like she doesn’t know what’s going on, as she’s somewhat bewildered by Stiyl’s anger. Tatemiya looks at Kamijou with a profound meaning, then turns to look at Stiyl. Kamijou thinks, “Please don’t look at me like that.”
Puzzled, Index tilts her head, and asks,
“Anyway, can you tell me how to decode ‘The Book of the Law’?”
“Ah, yes, then, I’ll explain it to you.”
Being asked by Index, Orsola continues on.
At this moment, Kamijou feels sweat emerging from his forehead.
In the past, he thought that it’s only fantasy, yet it’s about to come true now. The danger that Kamijou had never ever thought of continues to appear in his mind.
Kamijou is very clear of what the "Angelic Spells" that are only rumours and speculation to the magicians are (what an irony). He saw firsthand one of the four large angels, the "Power of God", summon the magic spell "Judgment"- billions of light bombs that nearly turned half the earth to crisp.
If they use such a spell, they can turn the tide around.
But…
Should humanity meddle with such power?
Orsola seems to have sensed Kamijou’s worries, and says,
“We have no need to show them the power of ‘The Book of the Law’; we just need to tell them that we have decoded it and can use it anytime. If possible, I would like to avoid using this power as well.”
Orsola seriously says.
That’s right; the original reason why Orsola’s studying "The Book of the Law" is to cause the knowledge inside the book to disappear. Right now, her actions are going against what she originally believed in. Also, even if they manage to get through this crisis, they’ll get harassed by magicians all over the world for having the knowledge of "The Book of the Law".
She had already thought about all this. But she decides to do this.
Even if it goes against her ideals, even if it’s going to put her in danger, she still wishes to help Kamijou and company.
Throughout history, no one was able to find a way to decode "The Book of the Law".
Even Index, who’s keeping the 103,000 magical texts, can’t decode the banned book inside her.
“The base model is Temurah, which is the switching of the texts' locations. But there’s a special rule that’s closely related to the number of lines. First, arrange the twenty-two lines of Hebrew text into two rows, and according to the rows—”
Kamijou feels like a duck that heard some thunder rumble, but to Index, it’s very important. Kamijou's never seen her so serious before.
Right now, Index is processing and decoding the magic book that nobody has read before, forming a blueprint of the strongest weapon. On one hand, Kamijou is bewildered; on the other hand, he’s wondering if he’s taking part in an irreversible mistake.
“—In other words, the texts with different numbers of lines have to be changed again using another rule, so it sounds complicated. But even if the page changes, as long as the number of lines don’t change, the rule of change won’t change. Then—”
“The sentences with changes done to the positions of the words have to be rearranged according the number of pages. So then, the original content of the text can be restored. The title is ‘End of Two Eras’, and the content is written in Enochian about the Human Angelification Spells.”
Index suddenly finishes what Orsola was about to say, as if she read Orsola’s mind. Orsola is wide-eyed now.
“It’s alright; I know what’s going on.”
Orsola is surprised that Index had interrupted her while she was conveying her own way of decoding that only she should know. She asks,
“May I ask, what do you mean by 'you understand'?”
“Um…”
Index says with a heavy tone.
“This isn’t the way to decode it; it’s a fake answer that the author left behind.”
“What…?”
Orsola goes numb.
Index sadly turns to look at Orsola, and says,
“I’m sorry. I came up with this answer myself as well. Besides this one, there are many more fake ones out there. The most frightening thing about ‘The Book of the Law’ is that…”
Index sighs, and continues,
“There’s more than a hundred ways to decode it. And every single way of decoding it can form a text, but those are all fakes. It’s not that nobody can’t decode ‘The Book of the Law’, but that anyone can actually decode it because they are misguided.”
“This is impossible…”
Orsola hoarsely croaks.
“The wrong explanation can still create a ‘text’ that someone can read, so even when one finds a wrong way of decoding it, everyone will think that theirs is the correct way. It’s normal that you fell into the trap without noticing. Besides the title on the cover of ‘The Book of the Law’, there’s also a line of English words; do you remember?”
Index painfully conveys this cruel truth.
“‘Desire, and it’ll be thy magic’; in other words, what one perceives to be the correct way to decode it can create several ‘wrong answers’ for ‘The Book of the Law’. ‘The Book of the Law’ is such a scary book.”
Orsola Aquinas’s face shows that she has lost all hope.
This can’t be helped. She gambled her life in order to interpret "The Book of the Law", thinking that it’ll bring about happiness to everyone, and destroy this magic book, the root of all evil.
But unexpectedly, the "way to decode" that she so treasured the most is unable to do anything.
Not only is it unable to destroy the magic book, but it also can’t save her friends in this critical juncture.
“Look on the bright side. If we tell them that Orsola didn’t find the way to decode it, I wonder if they’ll be magnanimous in their actions?”
Tatemiya asks.
At the same time, a huge knocking sound comes from the chapel’s doors.
“I guess it’s unlikely. Since they’ve thrown away their façade, they probably won’t hold back.”
Stiyl replies.
In this desperate situation, he gives a faint smile.
It’s useless.
Their only hope is gone.
Kamijou frantically tries to bring Index and Orsola out the back door, but accidentally knocks into Stiyl, who’s wielding a flame sword. The rune cards, which were supposed to be the killer blow, land on the ground without response.
*BAM!*
There’s an impact that’s much louder than the first, and the off-type doors of the "Fuyou Chapel" are knocked down. Kamijou and company only have time to say two or three sentences. A few hundred nuns are wielding all sorts of religious weapons as they rush into this church construct that’s built for funerals.
End result Touma is back in the hospital Again lol and we got to see Kaori blushing like mad and looking cute as hell i heard this was going to happen didnt think i would see it so soon but im looking forward to more
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Well, again, we'll let the text provide some insight.
Spoiler for Volume 7, the planning part:
Suddenly, a door of the "Fuyou Chapel" opens, as Kamijou Touma stands at the door that’s opened outwards. Orsola, who’s injured badly, is standing behind him, using the bandaged minute hand of a large clock as a crutch. Maybe Kamijou feels that carrying Orsola around while running isn’t the way to go that he’s hiding in the "Fuyou Chapel".
In this critical moment, Index, Stiyl and Tatemiya rush into the "Fuyou Chapel". Kamijou hastily closes the door. Right at this moment, numerous blades are stabbed into the 5-cm-thick oak door.
In a short time, the door had blocked the Roman Catholic nuns' attacks.
But a door like this cannot withstand for much longer. Using the story of the Three Little Pigs as an illustration, it’s like they're hiding in a straw house now.
“Seems like everyone’s okay… Orsola, can you walk?”
“You really like to worry. My injuries aren’t that serious.”
Orsola’s injuries are definitely serious; it’s just that they're hidden underneath her nun robes, so nobody can see it. Even so, she still weakly smiles at Kamijou. Although Kamijou’s feeling compassionate, he can’t do anything. So, he barely changes the subject.
“…Okay, now what?”
Nobody can answer that question. Everyone present realizes that the stalemate that was originally there is gone now.
The Amakusa members out there are surviving through their own sneak attacks and escapes, so they’re already busy themselves and can’t possibly help now.
*Pang!* *Bam!* Like nails being hammered into wood, the number of holes on the wall continues to increase.
Index looks extremely pale as she says,
“They… just… stabbed their ears like that… My ‘Sheol Fear’ cannot work…”
Maybe Index is still thinking about how the nuns stabbed their ears with fountain pens that blood seems to have been drained from her face.
“The ‘Spell Intercept’ can only work against one person at a time. It’s impossible to interfere when there are so many people chanting their spells…”
“Oh?”
Index continues to analyze her battle capabilities, and Kamijou’s all confused now. He doesn’t even know what Index did based on what principle.
Tatemiya then says,
“Although my subordinates are hard-working, I guess it’s hard for them to reverse the situation. Humans are at their scariest when they’re willing to sacrifice themselves. No matter how good an expert fighter is, he can’t handle a group of people rushing like a flood. It’s like how an army of ants can kill any beast.”
His tone is full of reluctance, overlapping with the sounds of blades being stabbed into the door and being pulled out. Several eyeballs are peeking into the dug-out holes.
Kamijou feels chilly in his stomach.
Once the door breaks open, several hundred armed nuns will rush in like a landslide. If they can’t come up with an answer within these next few minutes, everyone inside will be unable to survive.
But the more suggestions everyone gives, the more they sink into despair. Although Kamijou's as panicky as an ant on a hot pot, he’s at a loss on what to do.
“Eh… If… we have ‘The Book of the Law’, maybe we can find a spell to protect ourselves using my code.”
Orsola suddenly asks.
Everyone turns to look at her.
"The Book of the Law".
Although it’s the cause of everything, the magic book had been long forgotten by everyone. The forbidden book written by Edward Alexander- also known as Crowley, the greatest magician in the world- contains a strong power and knowledge, said to be able to allow humans to use the "Angelic Spells". Just opening one page is said to be able to end this Christian age.
Since "The Book of the Law" is so dangerous, "breaking the seal of ‘The Book of the Law’" can be used as a negotiating tool.
“Too bad ‘The Book of the Law’ wasn’t stolen; it was all a ploy to frame us. In other words, the real ‘Book of the Law’ may not even be in Japan. They only brought a fake, and the original should still be in the Vatican; we have no-”
“It’s here!”
Kamijou and Index shout out at the same time.
That’s right, the original "Book of the Law" is here.
“Index, although you’re unable to decode ‘The Book of the Law’, you might have memorized it thoroughly in order to decode it, right? You do have the original text of ‘The Book of the Law’ in your head, right?”
“Un, I still remember those codes that aren’t decoded yet.”
“No way! If you do so, she’ll memorize the correct content of ‘The Book of the Law’! That means that even more magicians will want her!”
“Are you worrying about me?”
Index, who only treated Stiyl as "somebody who has nothing to do with her", asks suspiciously. Stiyl, who treats Index as an "old friend", doesn’t know how to reply, and his face is flushed red. But Stiyl smacks his mouth again, not saying anything more. Stiyl is clear that Index already knows that the magicians are chasing after her, so no reason will stop her. Besides, there’s no other way out.
Stiyl thinks for a while. Conflicting thoughts are inside his head like angels fighting against each other. He suddenly shouts,
“Kamijou Touma!”
“What… what now?”
“You have to be even stronger! If there’s any consequence that harms her in any way, I’ll burn your body, heart, and soul until there’s not even ash!”
Stiyl then cursed, smacks his mouth again, and turns around. Index still looks like she doesn’t know what’s going on, as she’s somewhat bewildered by Stiyl’s anger. Tatemiya looks at Kamijou with a profound meaning, then turns to look at Stiyl. Kamijou thinks, “Please don’t look at me like that.”
Puzzled, Index tilts her head, and asks,
“Anyway, can you tell me how to decode ‘The Book of the Law’?”
“Ah, yes, then, I’ll explain it to you.”
Being asked by Index, Orsola continues on.
At this moment, Kamijou feels sweat emerging from his forehead.
In the past, he thought that it’s only fantasy, yet it’s about to come true now. The danger that Kamijou had never ever thought of continues to appear in his mind.
Kamijou is very clear of what the "Angelic Spells" that are only rumours and speculation to the magicians are (what an irony). He saw firsthand one of the four large angels, the "Power of God", summon the magic spell "Judgment"- billions of light bombs that nearly turned half the earth to crisp.
If they use such a spell, they can turn the tide around.
But…
Should humanity meddle with such power?
Orsola seems to have sensed Kamijou’s worries, and says,
“We have no need to show them the power of ‘The Book of the Law’; we just need to tell them that we have decoded it and can use it anytime. If possible, I would like to avoid using this power as well.”
Orsola seriously says.
That’s right; the original reason why Orsola’s studying "The Book of the Law" is to cause the knowledge inside the book to disappear. Right now, her actions are going against what she originally believed in. Also, even if they manage to get through this crisis, they’ll get harassed by magicians all over the world for having the knowledge of "The Book of the Law".
She had already thought about all this. But she decides to do this.
Even if it goes against her ideals, even if it’s going to put her in danger, she still wishes to help Kamijou and company.
Throughout history, no one was able to find a way to decode "The Book of the Law".
Even Index, who’s keeping the 103,000 magical texts, can’t decode the banned book inside her.
“The base model is Temurah, which is the switching of the texts' locations. But there’s a special rule that’s closely related to the number of lines. First, arrange the twenty-two lines of Hebrew text into two rows, and according to the rows—”
Kamijou feels like a duck that heard some thunder rumble, but to Index, it’s very important. Kamijou's never seen her so serious before.
Right now, Index is processing and decoding the magic book that nobody has read before, forming a blueprint of the strongest weapon. On one hand, Kamijou is bewildered; on the other hand, he’s wondering if he’s taking part in an irreversible mistake.
“—In other words, the texts with different numbers of lines have to be changed again using another rule, so it sounds complicated. But even if the page changes, as long as the number of lines don’t change, the rule of change won’t change. Then—”
“The sentences with changes done to the positions of the words have to be rearranged according the number of pages. So then, the original content of the text can be restored. The title is ‘End of Two Eras’, and the content is written in Enochian about the Human Angelification Spells.”
Index suddenly finishes what Orsola was about to say, as if she read Orsola’s mind. Orsola is wide-eyed now.
“It’s alright; I know what’s going on.”
Orsola is surprised that Index had interrupted her while she was conveying her own way of decoding that only she should know. She asks,
“May I ask, what do you mean by 'you understand'?”
“Um…”
Index says with a heavy tone.
“This isn’t the way to decode it; it’s a fake answer that the author left behind.”
“What…?”
Orsola goes numb.
Index sadly turns to look at Orsola, and says,
“I’m sorry. I came up with this answer myself as well. Besides this one, there are many more fake ones out there. The most frightening thing about ‘The Book of the Law’ is that…”
Index sighs, and continues,
“There’s more than a hundred ways to decode it. And every single way of decoding it can form a text, but those are all fakes. It’s not that nobody can’t decode ‘The Book of the Law’, but that anyone can actually decode it because they are misguided.”
“This is impossible…”
Orsola hoarsely croaks.
“The wrong explanation can still create a ‘text’ that someone can read, so even when one finds a wrong way of decoding it, everyone will think that theirs is the correct way. It’s normal that you fell into the trap without noticing. Besides the title on the cover of ‘The Book of the Law’, there’s also a line of English words; do you remember?”
Index painfully conveys this cruel truth.
“‘Desire, and it’ll be thy magic’; in other words, what one perceives to be the correct way to decode it can create several ‘wrong answers’ for ‘The Book of the Law’. ‘The Book of the Law’ is such a scary book.”
Orsola Aquinas’s face shows that she has lost all hope.
This can’t be helped. She gambled her life in order to interpret "The Book of the Law", thinking that it’ll bring about happiness to everyone, and destroy this magic book, the root of all evil.
But unexpectedly, the "way to decode" that she so treasured the most is unable to do anything.
Not only is it unable to destroy the magic book, but it also can’t save her friends in this critical juncture.
“Look on the bright side. If we tell them that Orsola didn’t find the way to decode it, I wonder if they’ll be magnanimous in their actions?”
Tatemiya asks.
At the same time, a huge knocking sound comes from the chapel’s doors.
“I guess it’s unlikely. Since they’ve thrown away their façade, they probably won’t hold back.”
Stiyl replies.
In this desperate situation, he gives a faint smile.
It’s useless.
Their only hope is gone.
Kamijou frantically tries to bring Index and Orsola out the back door, but accidentally knocks into Stiyl, who’s wielding a flame sword. The rune cards, which were supposed to be the killer blow, land on the ground without response.
*BAM!*
There’s an impact that’s much louder than the first, and the off-type doors of the "Fuyou Chapel" are knocked down. Kamijou and company only have time to say two or three sentences. A few hundred nuns are wielding all sorts of religious weapons as they rush into this church construct that’s built for funerals.
1: It still shows that they intended to bluff about using the book, so why not bluff that they had decoded it?
2: The anime still should be able to stand on it's own without having to refer back to the text. I don't mind the text adding to the richness of the anime, but the anime shouldn't be full of plot holes.
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Because if they don't really intend to use the magic book, but just threaten that they will then it's a bluff anyways!
They are already planning to bluff. They don't plan on actually using such destructive power. So why do they need to actually decode it? Just bluff that they decoded it as well.
Look- it didn't even need to change the plot. Someone could point out that a bluff is dangerous and commits them to a high risk of being called on it. Then they decide to go with Touma's plan- which is fine by me, that would make sense.
But instead they made it seem like the problem was that the decoding wasn't correct, which made the bluff impossible.
You all got your fanboy blinders on. I like A Certain Magical Index, but this arc just sucked. There is some potential there in the story, but the execution was terrible.
I don't understand, so your real beef with how things happen is because they didn't try something that might fail? Especially if the current state of mind with the Nuns now is that they are still willing to put their lives on the line, simply running out there and claim that you can solve the Book of the Law isn't going to cut it. They most certainly would have to put up abit of light show or possibly even summon the actual Angel, which doesn't have to use any of it's spell.
(Actually, rather than an Angel, I suppose summoning a big flaming golem would do the trick as well... Which was what they did.)
The funny thing is, if you can accept that the bluff might not work, then why do you condemn their plan to jump straight into setting up a giant Innocantis? Does it really matter so badly that they show every single options to consider? For that matter, what issue do you have with the plan than they eventually used? Was it wrong in anyway?
Maahhh~ I wouldn't call it a fanboy blinder, I'm just more open to ideas that might explain certain actions, rather than take the easy way out and label things as 'plotholes'. Plus it helps to not exaggerate minor details and stuff.
But- this is exactly what happened in the light novels, so I can't really complain. But Kanzaki can still kick rear no matter what- but honestly, couldn't you see this coming? I certainly did from the Angel Fall arc.
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