2013-02-09, 04:41 | Link #1561 |
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Depends how the propaganda is presented. It is suggested that Earth fired on an early Gamilas visit to the system, but why were the Gamilas there in the first place? The propaganda department could be combining Earth "barbarians" with the Comet Empire 'barbarians" for military effect (more spending).
It could be something else though. In the original it was suggested that Gamilas was a dying world and they were preparing to migrate to Earth after the humans either surrendered or died off. It is assumed the Gamilas had some sort of Cosmic Cleaner device like Iscandar does. Plus in this version they had the floating continent (a piece out of Gamilas' outer crust) at Jupiter to help reform the planet Earth after the humans were gone (or at least that is what has been suggested).
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They could have just done the "Star Trek" thing and showed a flash of blue(?) light near Mars for the radiation discharge from coming out of FTL speed and then Sasha's ship decelerating towards the Red Planet. That would have been a nice update to the show from a technical (more scientific) perspective. Quote:
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I would have to side with the idea that Earth had a primitive FTL drive considering the Izumo plan. Obviously not fast enough to reach Iscandar, but clearly fast enough to go to other star systems within the local group of stars and find another Earth-like planet.
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Sorta related to what I was saying though; you agree that FTL comms is something that only came about after Yamato, right? Quote:
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2013-02-09, 16:49 | Link #1566 |
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There doesn't seem to be any Artificial Gravity as far as I can see (Though there might be an internal Centrifuge for living areas like in Gundam). Prefer there not being any gravity field manipulation until they get the Wave Motion Engine.
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I realize the scene near Neptune was meant for dramatic effect, but why have Sasha travel past any of the heavier astral bodies at all and not just have her go straight to her destination? Anyhoo, they did it the way they did, and it still looks cool. Quote:
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No doubt whatever primitive FTL they tried would probably have been based on captured parts of the Gamillas ships since they did destroy some of them at Mars according to the story. We aren't really told how much technology they managed to cannibalize from the wreckage of the Gamillas ships they destroyed. Perhaps they didn't have any FTL drive prior to their contact with Gamillas, and after they destroyed the first force of the alien ships, they managaed to 'boost' their understanding of the alien technology and thus create improved systems such as antigravity, and primitive FTL.
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Yes, that's why they were building the Yamato, until Yurisha arrived.
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2013-02-10, 00:09 | Link #1570 |
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Was thinking about a couple things:
Anyone notice that this version of Yamato kinda mirrors a compressed version of Halo's canon? It sounds like in the Mid 22nd Century there was a series (at least two) interplanetary wars between Earth and its off-planet colonies which ends with mankind being unified under the UN's command. But then mankind is forced to the brink of extinction by multi-racial, caste-based empire seemingly hell bent on humanity's annihilation. Mankind fights a losing war for several years and seems on the brink of utter destruction, but an artifact from an alien civilization sends them on a desparate search for a technology that could turn the tide of the war. I mean, sure, there are a lot of particulars that are different, it just interests me to think about. Also if I'm reading it right, the Cosmic Forces hadn't be as ineffective as they had seemed in Operation M. I get the feeling that they had been in sort of a (losing) arms race with Gamilas, and that their reflective con-formal armor was just their latest advancement. |
2013-02-10, 03:08 | Link #1571 |
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We know the UNCF was able to stop the Gamilas advance at the Second Battle of Mars (Operation K2). It cost a lot of ships and lives but the Gamilas stopped the conventional advance towards Earth and resorted to long range Planet Bombing instead.
The background notes suggest they were stopped by the use of the Earth battleships and cruisers' bow mounted Shock Cannons. These are similar prototype weapons to what Yamato would use for her turrets. My guess is that this weapon also inspired the engineers to mount a bow weapon on Yamato, just they didn't imaging the power and damage the Wave Motion Gun could do. (They were trying to just blow up the Gamilas base on the floating continent...not take out the whole continent). However we have yet to see an older Earth ship use this bow mounted weapon. Maybe we will see it in a flashback or the sometimes suggested prequel OVA about the leadup to the Battle of Pluto. Or maybe we will see it when Yamato returns home. Kirishima is still in service, and you can never be sure of what might follow Yamato home. We can gather that the Earth Forces fighter groups have been active for a little while at least since they have veteran pilots and men lost in combat already. Also the Comso Falcons are said to have been modified for Carrier operations, while the Comso Zero was newly designed for shipboard use. One would imagine the Cosmo Falcons being assigned to defense units aroiund Earth, Luna, and Mars engaging Gamilas vessels. The Cosmo Falcons and Cosmo Zeros seem adequate for use against Gamilas attack craft and at least smaller Gamilas warships. We've not seen them attempt a run against anything the size of a Gamilas Destroyer yet.
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2013-02-10, 03:45 | Link #1572 |
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The Space Fighters may have also been deployed from Orbital Combat Air Stations. It seems like they were initially designed for point defense of planetary or orbital assets, not for interplanetary fleet actions.
I also think that the Gamilans armor probably was new. Any thoughts on the Interplanetary Wars? Kinda find it interesting that Spacenoid identity stuff probably happened in this canon. Rewatching the episode, Kodai's reason for not using the Wave Motion Gun on Pluto seems a tad flimsy. What's the loss of one Dwarf Planet? EDIT: Watching the trailer for episodes 11-14; have to say some of the stuff sounds rather friggin silly. Raise to Dimensional Periscope Depth? Dimensional Ballast? I know you want to invoke it being a submarine but seriously? Is Yamato going to use 'Dimensional Depth Charges'? Geez... Last edited by Scherzo09; 2013-02-10 at 04:35. |
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Izubuchi has explained that those expressions were used for the cool factor, basically. They could have come up with some more ellaborate jargon but that just sounds right in a work like Yamato. |
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...Though I guess there is the idea that they want to show the Gamilan's they don't just obliterate their enemies no matter the cost because they can, that we use precision. I guess I can sort of get behind that. |
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2013-02-10, 06:12 | Link #1576 |
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They are also a little afraid of the Wave Motion Gun after what they did on Jupiter. It was way more powerful than they expected. By the time they start warping around Okita seems slightly more willing to use the weapon, but they've not used it yet on any living targets (that I am aware of) since Jupiter.
The local Gamilas commanders are also a bit freaked out by it since they have no idea what they could have used to put a new giant black spot on Jupiter. Later when they have an audience, the weapon gives several Gamilas generals concern, especially the Talans since Gamilas is working on something like that...but the Terrons have it already? It doesn't seem to concern Goer much for some reason. Maybe he wasn't paying attention. Though data on that weapon was circualted since the EX-178 knew about it.
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Sort of tertiary, but thinking the .UN's ascendancy probably comes from a series of Macross style unification wars in the the 21st Century. There seems to be now a united East Asian Federation. Quote:
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[qoute] Combat data suggests that the Earth Fleet, being native to the system and with their industry base there in system, originally outnumbered the Gamilas Fleet. But attrition eventually lead to the Earth Fleet at Pluto in 2199 being just 21 ships (1 battleship, 8 cruisers, and 12 destroyers). It is assumed that there were other designs (perhaps more modern than the Far Eastern (Japanese) ships) for the UN Fleets from at least the US and EU. These being the large industrial powers still in 2199 as evident from the amount of power they were providing for Yamato to ignite her engine for the first time.[/quote] Was the first fleet the last UNCN Fleet remaining? It's sort of implied but it's hard for me to imagine just the Kirishima there defending the Earth. It also strikes me as weird that the UN's forces aren't standardized; East Asia seems to operate it's own indigenous designs. I think the Cosmo Falcons though are joint US/East Asian projects, like the F-2A Falcon Zero irl. At any it seems like besides the Yamato the UN was probably constructing a new generation of warships, which may be why the OK'd operation M. It also makes me wonder just how extensive the Geo fronts are. Are they all interconnected? Plate tectonics would seem to make that hard. Quote:
It seems like before the series the Gamilans had been drawing down their forces in the Sol System, which had never been that impressive (by Gamilan standards) to begin with, as they percieved Terons to be on their last legs. The base on Jupiter seems like the first step towards colonizing the Sol System, but again it doesn't seem like something Dessler or the Gamilan Military Command ever took that seriously. Quote:
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Oh and I so agree with a thing you said about 20 pages ago. One of the reasons I signed up for this board is because it's one of the few places where there is an active Yamato 2199 discussion. No one else in the West seems to be talking about it, which makes me a bit sad because I'd love for this to get a quality dub. It's pretty much what I wanted UC Gundam to be. |
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2013-02-10, 20:12 | Link #1578 |
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Spoiler for Mamoru Kodai:
One thing we are not sure about in this series run is just how they are going to handle any deaths of major characters. Or even if they will have any deaths of major characters. We know the Captain's health is an issue, but there is no way to be certain what road they will take this time.
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2013-02-10, 21:10 | Link #1579 |
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Anyways, was thinking about a Potential dub; who would be y'alls preferred casting choices? Here's some of mine:
Yuri Lowenthal as Kodai Laura Bailey as Yuki Brina Palencia as Akira John Swasey as Okita Aaron Dismuke as Shima Patrick Seitz as Kato Crispin Freeman as Dessler Monica Rial as The Nurse Any suggestions? |
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But, seriously, here's what the men who made the series had to say on the subject (Dimensional Subs first appeared in YAMATO III, 30+ years ago): http://www.ourstarblazers.com/745_mechtalk/index.html Scroll down to Point 3 for the details on the Dimensional Submarine.
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