Claymore Chapter 95

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Nixl

Spoiler for About Teresa:

Damn, I am the exact opposite. I found Priscilla's fall from grace more interesting than Teresa. Do not get me wrong Teresa helped bring the story up to speed, but I am glad she died.

I just felt the character type was overdone in terms of overpowered hero/heroine. I thought the extra chapter absolutely wasted any potential the character had and instead kept to the route of over done shonen badass. Consider how the other exta chapters all told a little about each character (Claire's haircut, Isley, Miria) and now compare it to how little Teresa's chapter actually gave other than "I am here to institute power levels " Maybe I am still just feeling the disappointment over that chapter.


It was possibly the way she died (despite being so power) that got me into the manga. I guess I just got nothing out of the character like others did.

Spoiler for Teresa...:

Um... I felt Teresa was at first just an overpowered shonen badass however I did feel she truly did evolve onto the perfect mother. Always doing what she felt was best for Clare in the end, be that risking being hunted by her own by murdering human bandits to save Clare to not killing Priscilla so Clare wouldn't be traumatized by Teresa murdering her (even with the risk she knew Priscilla was). It was a great character evolution... from perfect warrior to perfect warrior mother (and totally willing to give up the warrior part). I was moved by Teresa's opening up to Clare. At the end of her life Teresa was kinda like Ripley from Aliens doing everything to save the girl Newt, just with more crying and less nukes .

Don't get me wrong though... I did feel Teresa was severely overpowered and something would have to change at the end of Marked for Death arc for the story to stay any good. So as much as I loved her I was worried her power level was about to kill the story. Also, to be honest, I was more curious at the time of how the young happy Clare would turn into older traumatized Clare that we saw with Raki. So I knew something was coming but was too busy enjoying the anime (which I saw first before picking up the manga) that I really wasn't thinking too deeply about what would happen next but just enjoying the best anime I had seen in quite a while.

Your right with Teresa's extra chapter... to a large degree. Though it was also about showing us who she was before accepting Clare, however not much was added in that department other than she was purposely hiding her true power from the organization and lying to them while acting loyal but taking too much pleasure in scaring villages as retribution for people in her past selling her to the org. So most of the extra was just filler anyone would have assumed took place in her past and no other revelations and/or added depth added to her character.

In the end Teresa was a character with a purpose... just like Jean. She was designed to be someone so amazing that Clare would try forever to avenge her death, while Jean was meant to be so honorable that she would sacrifice herself for Clare one day.

Do I view either Teresa and/or Jean as amazing deep characters... not really (though Teresa did have more depth due to a back-story of her being sold to the org). Did I love them... absolutely.

What got me into the series was trying to figure out why Clare was so traumatized emotionally. However it was her back-story that kept me going after the holy city arc (though the end was good of that arc the beginning & middle sucked). So I totally agree with Teresa's death, even with her being so powerful, that got me into the manga. Cause when even the mightiest die you know the story will be interesting. I think what finally sealed the deal for me being a fan though was Clare and Irene talking about Teresa and how Clare living would be the only proof that she ever existed. That line said everything I needed to know about life and death in this story.

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Now, personally I want to see Priscilla not fighting for a bit and without the scent (no Raki and/or Clare). Why? Since I want more depth added to her character and I really really want a stronger emotional connection to her reasoning of why she wants to remember her past. I mean I get the logic of it... she just wants to have some happiness again but I want to feel her turmoil so as a reader I can connect to her drive to find the scent and restore her memories. Maybe a whole chapter of her just sniffing a scrap of Clare's flesh blow off in the battle (or a scrap of her uniform) and just feeling her happier days. Then as she's done sniffing she reverts back into the monster wanting another sniff of the scent.

Also I actually want to see Clare's scent effecting Priscilla's personality... since right now it appears Priscilla can smell it on Clare but that she's immune to its effects. Lets compare... Priscilla, the hungriest AB of all time, was able to starve herself for 7 years after meeting and smelling Raki however how has Clare, the source of the scent, effected her yet? I mean... come on! Major plot hole.

Right now I can understand Priscilla's drive but I don't feel it yet. Feeling pain is something Claymore usually excels at... so why is the main villain not included in this? We know she has a major reason for tracking down Clare, now but why does it feel so hallow? Right now she's just a machine chasing her target... however we know this isn't all she is since we know she did connect to some of her past self by hanging with Raki.

Originally Posted by kitten320

For me what made Teresa interesting is not only her power, but how her whole character had changed. Turning from a proud number 1 Claymore into a soft traitor was a huge change.

And when she had killed those bandits, that was the best moment for me. She literally gave up her life for Clare. And she did it by abondining her pride as number 1. The biggest part of Claymores would probably ignore those bandits.

Agreed. Though Irene would have saved Clarebear! (think Miria would likely save her too... if she time traveled 10 years back in time that is. After all her first action in Pieta was to save a young girl.)

[kitten320]

Irene might have overthought it first...
Miria and Galatea are probably the most obviouse choice who would sacrifice themselves.

Although after time skips I guess all North war survivors and Irene would do the same too by now.

[MisterJB]

Originally Posted by kitten320

[SPOILER="manga"]Still Riful couldn't regenerate. That remains the fact.
And Alicia was fighting at full power, only not in released form. Ony later did she feel the real effect of Beth's pain.

Yeah, but Alicia still owned Riful while they were figthing at full power. And Beth was not helping Alicia. The only thing that Beth did was allow her sister to use her Awakened strength.
So, it was Abyssal One vs Abyssal One and Riful was losing.

Yeah Rosemary is weaker than Riful, no doubt there.

I'm not so sure if Rosemary was weaker than Riful. What would be the point of Extra Chapter 1 then? To show how Rosemary was inferior to the three AOs?
No, it was to show that Teresa was stronger than an AO.

Sorry, but Teresa remains stronger than Alicia.

Agreed.

Are you serious? Teresa, Riful, Alicia and Beth were trash for you? 0_o

I like Alicia and Beth.
Nixl pretty much covered my toughts on Teresa.
Trash>Riful.

Even though Alicia and Beth didn't have much panel, I really would prefer them as main villians than her.

I like Priscilla but I prefer The Destroyer as a main villain, The Bringer of Despair...
In fact, I wish Isley had been the main villain but he just had to become a single father, didn't he? sigh

[Shiek927]

In fact, I wish Isley had been the main villain but he just had to become a single father, didn't he? sigh

The main villain? Nah, he wouldn't have been good.

Really, none of the Abyssals have the qualities of being a true villain like the kind I want, because all of them are too human in some way. The Destroyer is so powerful, and so nihilistic, it's more of what I'm looking for.

[kitten320]

Originally Posted by MisterJB

Yeah, but Alicia still owned Riful while they were figthing at full power. And Beth was not helping Alicia. The only thing that Beth did was allow her sister to use her Awakened strength.
So, it was Abyssal One vs Abyssal One and Riful was losing.

With already messed up Riful who at first got attacked by zombies, later by Alicia/Beth combo and only in the end by Alicia herself.
And Riful was already barely movind and dragging Duff behind her before Alicia had appeared.

I'm not so sure if Rosemary was weaker than Riful. What would be the point of Extra Chapter 1 then? To show how Rosemary was inferior to the three AOs?
No, it was to show that Teresa was stronger than an AO.

-shrugs- Than Teresa stomps Alicia and Beth just as I said in the begging.

I like Alicia and Beth.
Nixl pretty much covered my toughts on Teresa.
Trash>Riful.

So you are basicly saying that Teresa is an overpowered trash?
Sorry but Priscilla will be far more overpowred if you ask me... If she won't loss her focus or something like Teresa, I don't see any reasonable lose on her part.

Besides for me she didn't develop at all... She is completly the same as she was when she had awakened for the first time. Only that now she has memory loss and didn't eat for a long time... not that we saw her eating before either...

I like Priscilla but I prefer The Destroyer as a main villain, The Bringer of Despair...
In fact, I wish Isley had been the main villain but he just had to become a single father, didn't he? sigh

Eeehhh... who was the Destroyer again?
Isley is by far better choice then Priscilla -_-
Though I found Rifl a bit more interesting, but he surely had a good potencial which also got wasted -sigh- good thing not from Priscilla's hands again...

Seriously, Priscilla had killed almost everyone that I liked. If she will hurt Galatea, I will go barsek -_-
I still can't believe that she is blind...

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by kitten320

Eeehhh... who was the Destroyer again?

My evil goddess! (Teresa and Clare being my good goddesses)

It's the merged Raphaela and Luciela. AKA the gaint AB who looks like the twin goddesses Teresa and Clare, also the one shooting the Hellcats all over the place.

Originally Posted by kitten320

Isley is by far better choice then Priscilla -_-
Though I found Rifl a bit more interesting, but he surely had a good potencial which also got wasted -sigh- good thing not from Priscilla's hands again...

Seriously, Priscilla had killed almost everyone that I liked. If she will hurt Galatea, I will go barsek -_-
I still can't believe that she is blind...

I just think Priscilla needs some panel time alone to make her better as a villain.

Isley was awesome but developed in the wrong way to be a main villain and Riful, while being the most developed character of the AOs, was by far the least intimidating and softest of the big 3. So both where kinda doomed from the start.

[MisterJB]

Originally Posted by kitten320

With already messed up Riful who at first got attacked by zombies,

I was talking about their first figth, the one that The Destroyer interrupted.
The AFs didn't do anything to Riful. That wound was nothing to an Abyssal One.
Also, it was certainly not Alicia & Beth vs Riful, it was Alicia & Beth vs Riful & Dauf. And Beth didn't do anything but control her sister's Yoki to prevent her from Awakening and dodge Dauf's rods.
It was a fair figth and Riful was losing.

-shrugs- Than Teresa stomps Alicia and Beth just as I said in the begging.

When did I argue otherwise?

Sorry but Priscilla will be far more overpowred if you ask me...

She is the villain, she should be overpowered.

Besides for me she didn't develop at all... She is completly the same as she was when she had awakened for the first time. Only that now she has memory loss and didn't eat for a long time... not that we saw her eating before either...

Priscilla did develop a lot. She went from a loyal (brainwashed) warrior of the Organization to a sadistic Awakened Being, then to a young woman with the mind of a child, then to an actual child and finally she came back to being the sadistic Awakened Being.

[kitten320]

Ryus
Ah, right, thought so. Well right now The Destroyer is boring... it more looks like a cannon... hope it will start to do something more than simply shooting.

MisterJB
Awakening completly changes everyones character. Being born as Yoma makes you evil from the begining. I wouldn't call that a development.

She had lost her memory so she became quiet and Isley made slight use of it. Raki took care og her and by that ensured that she wouldn't eat anyone. Without having any food she started to becom smaller. After The Destroyer had appeared with huge power, it probably made her remember some things. I see no real development, she was just a puppet this whole time with no real memories.

The real development probably will be when she will remember everything.

And being main villian is not an excuse for an over power. Like that main hero also has all rights for that.

Actually that's exactly what started to ruin Aizen in Bleach. A lot of people started to get bored and now are waiting in what pathefic way he will lose.
Atleast Claymore author is doing better job than Kubo so I have hope for some reasonable deafeat on her part.

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by kitten320

Ryus
Ah, right, thought so. Well right now The Destroyer is boring... it more looks like a cannon... hope it will start to do something more than simply shooting.

Spoiler for Thoughts on The Destroyer and her role in Ch 103 and beyond:

What else do you expect a cannon to do besides shooting?

My hope is that Clare, Helen, and Deneve run towards The Destroyer so when Priscilla finally kills Dauf she'll follow and get dragged into a fight with her... with Clare, Helen, and Deneve attempting to slow her down so The Destroyer can land some super hits on Priscilla. Or something close... like Clare buys time for H&D to run away while Clare leads Priscilla to the Destroyer and has a fight there. Then Miria with her still masked Yoki runs in at super speed and beheads Priscilla just as Clare is about to bit the dust. If Priscilla survives this all the ghosts take on Priscilla while trying to force Priscilla's back against The Destroyer's wall of Tentacles.

Though my real hope is that Clare finds a way to go back inside The Destroyer and find a way to phase in and out of her body. So when Priscila barley dodges a huge tentacle Clare will phase through the tentacle and slash Priscilla with her sword. Even cooler would be if Clare can find a way for H&D to join her inside The Destoryer so all three can do this. I know, I know the idea is stupid and crazy but I just love the thought of it (plus it would make the conclusion of the fight epic)... like a while back I loved the thought of Raphaela joining the ghost and Alicia and/or Beth being captured by Riful then having Riful make a AB army like Isley did but with the sole purpose of just surviving the org's AF's and The Destroyer (since think of all the AF's the org could make with all the hellcat remains out their).

[kitten320]

A bit too random... but I really wouldn't mind if Clare somehow had been able to control The Destroyer in order to take Priscilia down...

By the way I was wondering here... if she has Raphaela's memories, she must know the Iren's fate. Wonder if Irene is really dead...

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by kitten320

A bit too random... but I really wouldn't mind if Clare somehow had been able to control The Destroyer in order to take Priscilia down...

By the way I was wondering here... if she has Raphaela's memories, she must know the Iren's fate. Wonder if Irene is really dead...

I agree bit too random however I just love the thought of it... don't know why.

Of course she does... but it's not like she has total control over the thoughts yet (as witnessed by Clare just randomly recalling knowledge of Alicia and Beth) and is too distracted by all the events going on to really access the thoughts (it took her some time to even realize it was Priscilla's yoki she was sensing and before she could even try to recall that she had to warn H&D of where the safe spots where from the second barrage). Though I fully believe Irene is quite dead, confirmation would be nice. To me Raphaela's smile when learning the name of the quicksword and who's move it was just screamed she was laughing at the irony of being killed by her move and arm, since she killed Irene so long ago.

[kitten320]

Even if she is dead, would be nice to see Clare's rection. After all she promised to return the hand

That's a bit sad that she dies, I liked Irene. Especially her design, she kinda looked like the most original one among Claymores. Especially those elf like ears of hers.