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They're the same damn characters. Ultimately inconsequential characters that Kishi thought he was being clever with by taking them from the movie and then using them in the manga, but still the same characters.
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2010-11-11, 04:06 | Link #63 |
It's VACATION TIMEEEEE!!!
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Isn't the resurrected Root member Shin (the one alongside Deidara, Sasori and Chuukichi)?
Why the hell's Mei Terumi not in the last page where the Kages are talking (save for Gaara)?
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Unless you're referring to him actually reusing the characters from the movie, then yeah, it's still cheap. He thinks he's being clever by taking a bunch of fodder characters from the movie and implementing them into the manga, when in fact he's just being lazy. Quote:
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-The fact that only two of them have had any lines, and neither of them said anything meaningful. -The fact that none of them have been setup to play any sort of major role. -Oh, and, gee whiz, why would the guy who neglects to develop or, heck, even give screentime to his secondary characters be so negligent in giving some development to a bunch of tertiary characters (hell, they barely even qualify as that). |
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I happen to like what these new characters look like. But whatever. Quote:
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Your second point: True. But Kishi is trying to setup a war. In that context, giving these characters more than a few panels is difficult. Again, they've only been around for a chapter. Your third point is interesting. How do you determine that? Did you think that Kabuto in the Chuunin exams would have played a role beyond being the guy with the info cards? I sure as hell didn't and never thought he'd turn out to be the major player he is now. I think you may be confusing the role they play with their ability to live on. They're pretty much guaranteed to die, but that doesn't mean they don't have a role in the grand scheme of things, such as providing development to secondary characters. Finally, your fourth point. I don't think it's as clear cut as that. You're saying that because he made a mistake by not giving development/screentime to his secondary characters, there's no reason he should do that for his tertiary characters. I disagree, by that logic, I could go on and say that he did give plenty of time to his secondary characters in part I, and that even if this is part II, we are still talking about the same author. It sounds like you're saying he can't develop them, when he has shown that he can. Isn't he going to give his secondary characters screentime during this war? Naruto is kept safe within the alliance headquarters, Sasuke is staying at Madara's hideout while his eyes cook, these facts seem to be contradicting your point. |
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2010-11-11, 09:41 | Link #67 |
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OK the i dont know why people are complaining about the designs its not like anyone remembered who they were. In the movie they were in it for a few seconds. They didnt even have a name we only know they had kekkei genkis.
Plus i can see oda doing it later on to with the characters from the last movie. They were pretty much fodder characters. How can Luffy beat Gold Rogers Rival? p.s Kubo did it 2? when? i only read bleach. Last edited by kusanagi25; 2010-11-11 at 12:41. |
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I agree with what you said though
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2010-11-11, 10:51 | Link #70 | |
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But he does have Kamui, This is one of the few, (if not the only one), known Jutsu able to take care of any Summoned Zombie.
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2010-11-11, 10:58 | Link #71 |
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We will know everything about this war from Kabuto vs Anko. If Kishimoto can't even kill the little seen Anko, then who will he kill? Then we will know that none of the name characters, outside of maybe one or two, will die.
I also hope there are no more zombies. I could buy Asuma, Dan, and Hizashi coming back. Not really Zabuza or Haku. But whatever. But with Sai's brother, now it just seems like Kishimoto was starving for zombies to create fights. What's next? The zombie of that little girl that was mean to Sakura 8 years ago so Ino has someone to fight also? Did anyone notice the weird art in this chapter? It felt off. I thought he would die the minute Kishimoto put him in Temari's division. Total Kishi move to give fan's their romance and then kill off either one or both of the characters. Expect a sweet tender embrace and then death. Then 9 months later Temari magically pops a bun out of the oven in the epilogue. The character that also could go is Gaara. Cause right now he is doing everything Naruto whines about. He brought the ninja world together and is leading them. But let's be honest. Neither will die. Kishi would rather cut off his right arm than kill characters he loves. Look at the fanservice Gaara and Shika get. Sakura will take the bullet for the Alliance. |
2010-11-11, 12:58 | Link #74 |
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I LOVED these latest 2 chapters.. Getting very excited.
Anyone noticing that the samething that happend to aang in Avatar: the last Airbender is now happening to naruto.. Naruto meets a giant sealion turtle just before a great war starts out in which he will play a major part.. And the turtle shows the main character a way to win the war without destroying everything.. but because of the time spend on the giant sea turtle the main character is late for the war.. But saves the day in the end anyway.. The same thing And to comment on the DBZ comparison: May I remind you guys naruto is only 16... Goku was 15 during his fight with KING PICOLLO and in the last tournament of dragon ball(before the start of dragon ball Z) goku was 18.. at the age of 18 goku was NEVER EVER NEAR naruto's current power.. Only thing goku had for himself was the ability to sense where enemies where... a kamehameha wave he could use 3 times and the strenght to break a little boulder... THATS ALL |
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In my book, the lesser-known commanders: Mifune, Kitsuchi and Darui are all prime candidates to die. Gaara, Kakashi and Shizune were rezzed so safe bet they won't die again. The sand siblings and former Konoha rookies are pretty much guaranteed to live unless Kishi decides to get real ballsy as he pushes towards the finale of the manga.
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2010-11-11, 17:02 | Link #77 |
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"I've got a bad feeling about this"? Really? Another Star Wars reference, right on the heel of a mass cloning of a white Zetsu army? I mean, there have always been bits sprinkled throughout that always screamed "similarity", but this one kind of amused me...
Well, I used to think that this war would be fought through asymetrical warfare, but with a mass army, it looks more like conventional warfare, with a lot of psychological warfare thrown into the mix...Mind fuck: What is Tsunade ever going to do when forced to fight against an undead Dan? Same scenario with Shikamaru against Azuma? It's much the same sort of conscious toying that Orochimaru did when he summoned Hashirama and Tobirama to fight against Hiruzen...The biggest difference I can see is while Hiruzen had the resolve of a person with his experience and age to give up his life to seal the Senju brothers alongside his own fate, I'm not sure if Tsunade has the heart to confront such an enemy, nor have many of the younger generation can really faced the horrors of war when it's on this large of a scale and it's wearing a friendly face...It's a little more convoluted to fight when it's not as clear-cut as good vs. bad, and it only gets a little more complicated when you consider what sort of strengths and techniques the individually-named undead are capable of... As long as Kishimoto doesn't get tired and restless with his writing, this can get really interesting...
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But why make Shikamaru/Temari the exact same as Asuma/Kurenai and have it end in tragedy? Isn't the next generation suppose to be happy? None of the kids will die. The ones with the biggest fanbases are too controversial to kill. He couldn't even kill Hinata. And the ones who aren't as popular would be pointless to kill. Would Kiba or Tenten's death really effect the manga? Kishi knows who he is going to kill. And it's going to be people like C, Ao, and Darui. Name characters, but ones that fans really haven't built an attachment to.
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But to answer your question it's mostly about presentation. Even if a character hasn't been given a name or hasn't said anything, you still may be able to tell the extent of the role they'll play just by their presentation (e.g. a dark forboding figure, sinisterly watching our heroes). These new ninjas are just sort of crammed into the panels like afterthoughts. As for your Kabuto comparison, Kabuto was given a name and he did and said far more in the one chapter he was introduced then all 3 or 4 of the new ninjas combined. His major role may not have been immediately obvious, but I think it was pretty clear he would have some sort of meaningful relation to Naruto. Quote:
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2010-11-11, 17:44 | Link #80 |
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^Actually, Kishimoto has used several characters from the anime before. In fact, he has named several countries after countries first seen in the anime. So, this is not the first time he has done this "trick".
That being said, I still do not see why this matters nor do I see how it is lazy. They're his characters, and as long as their is no real reason they shouldn't be involved, I see no reason why they can't be involved in the manga... p.s. Movie 10 is not canon in the slightest... |
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