2008-06-02, 08:57 | Link #921 | |
Junior Member
Join Date: May 2008
|
Quote:
|
|
2008-06-02, 09:46 | Link #922 |
Junior Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
|
hello there every1 i joined this forum cause of this series its great - first of all thanks all guys/girls that are doing great job at BT its awesome work - second i have rolled trough this forum little didnt have much time to read every post and i havent actually started reading light novels i only watched anime tough i will start soon from BT cause i cant speak japanese can some1 tell me one thing can square mage compete with gandalf power - i think i saw on one post summaries that saito is now stronger from the time he reunited with lousie after that 70000 incident???
I know he lost against ward in anime and i hear ward is square mage too - sorry he was square mage |
2008-06-02, 13:58 | Link #924 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2007
|
But tabitha could use the combined spell(water+wind) than henrietta and wales used against saito(the one than only royaltie can use)since she also her cousin;in fact it would be even mmore powerful(wales was only triangle),i'm wonder why they didn't did it against the golem.
|
2008-06-02, 14:41 | Link #925 |
Senior Member
|
Maybe willpower. She didn't had enough of willpower to cover it or maybe could not have a control of the spell in general.
Or maybe the main point of this Hexagon spell is the combination of the two people to increase the spell power. I mean Henrietta made three water spells and Wales three winds spells and created a six element spell (though it actually uses two but other 4 are used as supporting ones to increase the power). They basically still not went over their 3 line spells but their royal blood allowed them to combine it into six. Tabitha would need another royal blood member to increase the power of her spells this way, since she herself cannot step out of the limits of her power. Last edited by Darknemo2000; 2008-06-02 at 18:30. |
2008-06-03, 18:21 | Link #926 | |
Master of Coin
Join Date: Mar 2008
|
Quote:
I will provide exhibit 1. Saito's 20th century garbage of a plane vs an entire airborne squadron of Mages. And the Zero is a mostly unarmored plane with shitty weapons by today's standards. I will provide exhibit 1B. The Chinese Airforce, which can field at least 200 planes of modern Interceptors. (using U.S Airforce or Brit RAS is just overkill) I will provide exhibit 2. A single tank manage to take down a dozen super golems. I will introduce Exhibit 2C. Saddam Hussein's pre-destroyed tank army, which is about 2000? That alone should be able to run down any ground force the other side can bring on to the table, magic golems or not. Lets not forget how many RPGS this world have, and I don't mean video games... Magic don't work against bullets, If wind mages can render barrages useless, there would be no conventional weapons present in Louise's world, the last I checked include both archers and riflemen for some reason. If the wind mages can be worn down by barrages from singleshot muskets, I bet AK-47s would give them a real excerise. |
|
2008-06-03, 18:53 | Link #927 |
Senior Member
|
Well again, mages revived by Advari ring would not need to protect themselves from bullets, the only what would need the protection is void mage.
No one ever discussed about the fact that modern planes would rule over the wind-dragons anytime or that tanks would crush golems. Its pretty clear that if they were to engage modern world in their usual tactics they would loose in no time. Golems crushed, wind-dragons/griffons wiped out. The only real good cards that Louises world has is void mages and square mages. With void you would not need to worry about protection against bullets - since your attacking unit would be already dead. Besidies there is a possibility of converting a modern soldiers into your army as well this way and it does open few more possibilities. using anything else but square mages and void mages against modern army would be totally useless. Oh and if any of you cares - i finished translating ZnT novels volume 4, chapter 9, which means that the whole volume 4 is finally finished. |
2008-06-03, 19:41 | Link #929 | |
Banned
Join Date: Jul 2007
Age: 33
|
Quote:
I mean we've seen Triangle mages but they aren't that strong. If they can control a Undead army don't you think they would do so already, even if they did why would directly attack them <P_P>. The U.S has M.L.R.S that has a range of 70 miles or even more that i don't know. The army wont even need to fight them. Its plausible that they can create an undead army. If they can do that then there's a possibility that we can emulate void and square magic. |
|
2008-06-04, 08:23 | Link #930 |
Senior Member
|
gabbytay, they already did, but the unit they had was made from albion nobles why? Heck knows as there werent any good Mages in albion besides Wales... still, they were good enough to kill of all griffon squad and would have won against Saito/Tabitha/Kirche if not Louise's void, but not really top mages
Plus you somehow think that one unit would attack as in together. They may split up. And if facing opponents the can reproduce themselves (in Wardes style). And while it can hit 70 miles away to hit small objects like one person. And all mages can fly (though prefer wind-dragons/griffons for that) which is another additional point. |
2008-06-04, 08:39 | Link #931 | |||
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2008
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||
2008-06-04, 13:06 | Link #932 |
Senior Member
|
Obviously you would be very stupid to even consider about asking anyone to die. Kill them off without asking. It was done many times in history so I do not think it would be a problem. Of course, you would have to have some trust or some good plan to set up, but thats they way things are.
The point is that it is harder to hit small objects that are moving. And can change their course of moving (fly or walk). remember that all zombie units do have a single mind so they would be perfectly synchronized. As for why it wasn't used in novels...Heck knows, it should have been but again it is hard to follow Noboru at times. Maybe he overlooked that. because one thing for sure - he didn't come with any excuse against it for now. Anyways, lets just drop the discussion. Talk about some better things rather than pure speculations. Last edited by Darknemo2000; 2008-06-04 at 13:30. |
2008-06-04, 16:37 | Link #933 |
Pilot in Training
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Earth
|
Lol, there really isn't anything else to discuss though...I mean we have 13's summary. What else is there.
And even with square mages and vid mages, the modern army still has ways to win. As I said, it is all about the circumstances of the battle. |
2008-06-05, 08:33 | Link #934 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: North Carolina
|
I have a question. Are there more zombies after volume 4. People are writing about zombies being created by a void mage, but my impression was that those zombies were created by Cromwell, not a void mage, using the ring he stole from the water sprite. He was just trying to give the impression that he could use void magic. Regardless, if all zombies are like those it would be another case of a modern army needing to know what they were dealing with. Saito and company were actually gaining the advantage using Kirche's fire magic before the rain shifted the advantage to water mages. With high explosive shells, phosphorus, and napalm (including flamethrowers), a modern army could blow them into little pieces that they couldn't recover from and/or turn them into charcoal.
But, given that the only way to move an army between the worlds is the World Gate and it is controlled by the Pope, it doesn't matter who would have the advantage. The Pope is interested in regaining the Holy Land, not invading Sato's world, and he is not going to open the gate to allow an army from there to invade his world. But, if he could gain contacts in Saito's world, I could see him hiring a mercenary force to help him defeat the elves. They wouldn't have M1 tanks or F16 fighters, but they would have weapons that were as good or better than any Saito has access to. Perhaps some Mig21s and some of the tanks repaced by the newest generation. And lots of artillary and hand fired missile weapons. |
2008-06-05, 15:56 | Link #936 |
Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: hmm... where am I?
|
I believe that all that's really needed to distroy the modern army is just Pope/Louise combo. While the Pope cast a transportation gate spell the size of a fist, Louise could just start casting "explosion" in a safe distance (in the parallel universe where she cannot be stopped). When the spell completes she could just stick her hand through the gate and blow up the enemy headquarters.
|
2008-06-06, 00:01 | Link #938 |
Louise Fanatic
Join Date: May 2008
|
sorry to bust in here with such old news but man the novel is SO much better then the anime lol... even though i can only read up until half of book 5... Many thanks to baka-tsuki : ) but dang there is so much more emotion in the novel....Louise is way colder to saito i almost started to dislike her until i realized she was really confused inside and her true feeling came out...well off to book 4
|
2008-06-06, 01:33 | Link #939 |
Senior Member
|
Actually rastlin, we do not live in 30th century, we are still in the same old 21 - in other words we still need fuel to run and sadly not all units can carry that with them or generate it - the base is needed at least for the sake of storing stuff in that you would need.
And thats where Louise's/Popes combo might hit. (I like Vertifuls idea, can be pretty dangerous). Plus if the war would be going in Louises world quite a bit or navigation systems would not work as they rely on sputniks for that and so on... Command posts are rather important to coordinate ones movement, if taken that away it may be bit difficult don't you think? Not saying that it would be crucial but if navigation system is out it can be pretty difficult. |
2008-06-06, 04:11 | Link #940 | |
So....its you.....
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: take a guess?
|
Quote:
Not just that. a modern army will still dominate an army from louise's world. Except that army won't be nearly as effective as they will be if they fight in louise's world. Fuel and supplies a side, there is the matter of communication and satellite support. Without satellite for communication and surveillance so many modern technology are essentially rendered useless: no GPS, no instant communication across the globe, no idea were your troops are spread out to , no idea were the enemy is (in the broad sense;we do still have recon divisions for a reason) or what their reserves are doing or hiding, fighters and bombers will be flying blind-guided only by their radar and the mark one eyeball ,no more coordination for multi-dimensional joint warfare on any kind of large scale. It will be like world war one all over again except dudes back then were used to those shit, we ARE not . Our armies are so reliant on satellites that without them we couldn't even find our arse in a well lit room(well maybe not that bad). But if its on our home turf well then it will be like the turkey shoot of the century for us. Last edited by Angrypokstick; 2008-06-06 at 04:26. |
|
Tags |
comedy, harem, light novels, shounen |
|
|