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View Poll Results: Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 12 Rating
Perfect 10 77 44.51%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 57 32.95%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 22 12.72%
7 out of 10 : Good 11 6.36%
6 out of 10 : Average 4 2.31%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 2 1.16%
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Old 2009-09-17, 09:26   Link #101
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That's how all Meta-World scenes should be, Deen.

Nice episode, the only thing I disliked is the quick introduction of Ronove with the sudden transition from Real World to Meta World.
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Old 2009-09-17, 09:35   Link #102
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Well anyways this episode was pretty interesting. More new faces coming into things. It should be nice to have Ronove around. At least makes the show down more comfortable for Battler with cookies and the compliment . But it was interesting to get a look at Beatrice's past since there is a lot we don't have information about regarding these witches. It's always sad when apparently nice kids turn into dangerous people that go around causing deaths....

It was a nice change for Battler to turn the red words on Beatrice for a change. Though at the same time I wonder about the level of control Beatrice shows over the situation. Can she just change events on a whim mid game?

Curious about how some things will play out like the young Eva. Plus too bad that Battler didn't live up to his words about coming back on a white horse. Now that would have been a fun way to kick the new round .
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Old 2009-09-17, 09:47   Link #103
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That's how all Meta-World scenes should be, Deen.

Nice episode, the only thing I disliked is the quick introduction of Ronove with the sudden transition from Real World to Meta World.
Funny thing that I liked that one. VN transitions are almost like that too.
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Old 2009-09-17, 10:02   Link #104
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Wow. Superb episode.

My jaw literally dropped at the awesome new OP animation. I re-watched the OP around 10 times for just this one episode. I especially loved young Eva's killer smile, the clash between old Beatrice and new Beatrice, and, of course, Ange and the huge red moon.

The rest of the episode was prettier than usual too, or maybe I'm just biased since Ronove was introduced. He had too few lines for me to enjoy his presence so much though... I do just love his sarcastic commentaries and the like.

Oh, and I am so itching to re-read episode 3 and 4 of the visual novels after watching that OP.

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Old 2009-09-17, 10:47   Link #105
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After finally having watched the episode with subs, especially the last Meta-part with Battler and Beato, I still think Hempel's Raven will be included next episode, since the conversation was cut half-way. It's an importnat thing they can't leave aside
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Old 2009-09-17, 10:49   Link #106
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Edit: thanks to those that answers my question
Spoiler for for those that still want to read my stupid question~:

I really should wait till the next episode to make any more comment......right now it's just me making myself look stupid XD

P.S. Speaking of the goldenslaughter, isn't it time to let Krauss/Rudolf/Kyrie to have a chance to shine? Rosa, Shannon and Gohda got their chance in the last arc and they took it superbly. Or is it Eva's turn? (Don't have to answer this one, just my personal hopeful wishes.)
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Old 2009-09-17, 10:54   Link #107
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No, EP3 is not to EP1 what Tsumihoroboshi-hen is to Onikakushi-hen.

If we had to make a comparison like that, most would say EP3 is the Watanagashi-hen of the series.
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Old 2009-09-17, 10:55   Link #108
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still there's not a preview of 13 ?
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Old 2009-09-17, 10:58   Link #109
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still there's not a preview of 13 ?
Nope, but I think the preview of 13 will be on umineko.tv tomorrow. xD
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Old 2009-09-17, 11:00   Link #110
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This adaptation was great. I'll give it a 10 for the character designs from flashback scenes.

+VN players did not get to see the younger versions of Beatrice, Kinzo, Krauss, and Eva(The one from her twenties). While young Kinzo looked nothing like I thought he would, little Beatrice was perfect.
+The original Beatrice's voice fits with the character very well and you get the kind grandmother feeling from her.
+Ronove didn't have much time but nice character design though.
+Good job on the design of school girl Eva. It's clear that Eva is having trouble suppressing her during the family conference.

-Regarding Ronove... I THOUGHT HIS LITTLE LAUGH WAS INCREDIBLY GAY
-There was an important scene left out but mabye they'll add it with a flashback later on.
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Old 2009-09-17, 11:01   Link #111
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Edit: thanks to those that answers my question
Spoiler for for those that still want to read my stupid question~:

I'll wait till the next episode to make any more comment......right now it's just me making myself look stupid XD

P.S. Speaking of the goldenslaughter, isn't it time to let Krauss/Rudolf/Kyrie to have a chance to shine? Rosa, Shannon and Gohda got their chance in the last arc and they took it superbly. Or is it Eva's turn? (Don't have to answer this one, just my personal hopeful wishes.)
the plot in EP2 was just as similiar to EP1 as EP3 is to EP1 not really similiar it is just that they choosed to show flashbacks in this episode, the letter and all those things also happens in EP2
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Old 2009-09-17, 11:34   Link #112
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Late review~

Spoiler for Ep 13 spoilers:
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Old 2009-09-17, 11:40   Link #113
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Enjoyed this episode.
The new opening I love.
I just love this episode. <3
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Old 2009-09-17, 11:42   Link #114
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Evas flashback should be longer - "Hey I am your younger self do you remember? Sudenly believe in magic and all will be alright." - thats just not enough.
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No smoking Rudolf and Hideyoshi on boat. Also skipping the scenes with Battler and seven Sisters and than mentioning it looks kinda stupid.
I don't think any of those scenes were necessary. Surely DEEN would have included them if they had more time to play with but they are working on a tight schedule.

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I dont like Renove - hes not slick enough. He looks and speaks like submissive homosexual than a one of the most powerful demons that works like butler to kill some time.
What are you talking about? That fits his character perfectly. This is a guy who likes baking cookies and making tea and laughs "pukukuku". If you thought he was a gar badass instead, you must not have read the VN very carefully.

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Last scene where Rosa suddenly says she killed Beatrice was out of place.
Not really. That's the perfect cliffhanger for the end of the first part of this arc.

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There was a lot of very lazy animation (the inheritance discussion scene again, beach scene) on the other hand few scenes were done really well (Eva flashback, Metaworld).
Making that scene more animated (as in making the adults wrangle their arms about) wouldn't have made it any better. It's a scene of people talking. Live with it.

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DEEN is trying to make the series graduating just like VN was graduating through all episodes. But the novel started at high quality and was only adding more awesome parts, DEEN started very poor and is slowly through mediocre quality to actually good one. I still expect next espisodes to fall in quality again, just like it was in second arc.
You're expecting too much and much of what you expect simply isn't possible given the time constraints and general issues when translating a novel into a visual work.
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Old 2009-09-17, 11:52   Link #115
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What are you talking about? That fits his character perfectly. This is a guy who likes baking cookies and making tea and laughs "pukukuku". If you thought he was a gar badass instead, you must not have read the VN very carefully.
I agree with everything you said, but I especially agree with this.
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Old 2009-09-17, 12:05   Link #116
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I agree with everything you said, but I especially agree with this.

And let's not forget his super-duppy powers, he can be BROnove, but he's a bit fancy with other people
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Old 2009-09-17, 12:19   Link #117
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Now that I've watched the episode with subs, and now that I'm seeing it through the eyes of a VN player, I have to say that's it's going to be a really different experience from here on out. Regardless, there's nothing major to complain about for this episode, it was a great adaption for the time they had to work with. I don't want to get too hopeful, but perhaps DEEN were saving the big guns for the Arcs that really matter, so I'm once again going to expect great things coming into this one.

Only a couple minor things I didn't like:
+ The re-using of animation irks me for some reason. I know that reanimating the discussion at the dinner table over and over again would be trivial, but it still feels like an itch I can't scratch.
+ The transitions from the game board to the meta-world seemed kind of cheap at times. I know they were sudden in the VN, but I feel that the transition during the beach wasn't sudden enough. Maybe I was just hoping that the transition would make me jump like it did in the VN. >_> Like I said, nothing important at all.
+ Ronove didn't have enough to time to flaunt his homosexual tendencies.
+ Speaking of which, I could have sworn that there was at least one Red Truth used during this time in the VN... or am I remembering it wrong?
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Old 2009-09-17, 12:36   Link #118
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Oh I can see the ironic Haruhi parodies coming soon with Battler and Ronove.
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Old 2009-09-17, 12:45   Link #119
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Oh I can see the ironic Haruhi parodies coming soon with Battler and Ronove.
Same here. People have been saying that since Ronove's seiyuu was announced. I think it's funny how the roles are switched now. =P
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Old 2009-09-17, 13:05   Link #120
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I think this is the first time I've totally loved an episode. There were a few art inconsistencies as usual, but overall it was really good.

Really liking Ronove and "Beatrice"'s voices. (I just like listening to them talk, even. XD ) Oh, and Ronove's little laugh was so delightful, bwahaha. Young Eva was really good, too. They all sound pretty... perfect. o__o;

Oh and, when the meta-world scene kicked in, with Beato saying "Like I'd let you!" or w/e, the way she said it was SO great--it just made me burst out laughing. <3 Ohara.
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