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I don't think it's very likely either; it's just that the alternative - an Iranian nuclear strike on Israel - is completely impossible. Do bear in mind that the Israelis apparently approached Bush for permission to launch a strike against Iranian nuclear facilities earlier this year. Even Bush was wise enough to deny them, but there's at least a possibility in this direction. Quote:
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I'm quite familiar with August Storm, but the Americans would never have expected that level of Soviet success. Besides, one of the reasons why the Kwantung Army was so weak is because all of the best troops had already been stripped out to bolster Pacific garrisons or to oppose Olympic. By the way, the best work on August Storm (in English) is here: http://cgsc.leavenworth.army.mil/car...z3/glantz3.asp.
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i.e. if you ask me - I dont think that the US military intelligence at the time was stupid. not at all. i do think that they probably didnt know of some things - like that Stalin had spies in the US nuclear program and was well-informed about it - but they were surely very much in the clear regarding the power distribution of the Soviet Far Eastern forces vs. the Japanese Manchurian army. in so far dropping the nukes was more of a hasty decision to "secure" Japan for the US than anything else. Quote:
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It's written by David Glantz while he was in the U.S. Army. Right now, he's regarded as the foremost Western expert on Soviet military operations in World War II.
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I must mention that people seem to think too highly of Iran in this situation. While they certainly have been wronged by the US, people really think that their leaders are incredibly rational people. Some of their views are quite insane (Though people will say the same about some US people, but w/e, I'm not here to justify everything the US says or does).
So while Obama may be trying to talk without preconditions (Which has its merits in diplomacy), I do not see what can really be done. The US is not going to withdraw its support from Israel, it will stay occupied in Iraq for at least the moment, and it is not going to approve of nuclear power in Iran. The only advantage the US may get in this is a better image of a more diplomatic nation instead of being an aggressor, and it may give Iran an even worst image than what the US has tried to already paint. For me, I do not see this Middle East situation turning out pretty at all. I can definitely see war with Iran in the future, which would be quite unfortunate.
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also, there are other places established for the Jews, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birobidzhan. but for some reason they are not exactly willing to live there.. the typical reply to that is that Jews had been unjustly exiled from Palestine and that it is their historical motherland. which may be true, but seen pragmatically, is an absurd argument. that was 2000 years ago. if you start to redistribute land everywhere in the world according to who rightfully lived on it thousands of years ago, you'd have to completely redraw all the maps. places like the US for example would have to go to the North American natives - Indians. Australia would have to be given back to the Aboriginees. etc etc. like half of the world today was colonized by force by some people who did not live there 2000 years ago. so using that as a reason is ridiculous. but if you drop that, there is simply no justification for the Israeli invasion of Palestine and for the very existence of Israel in the first place - which is what Ahmadinejad says. Quote:
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I just hope Iran never runs out of oil, because that could be a very dark day for the Middle East. Desperation + fanatical leaders = a recipe for disaster.
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About the Iranian leaders, I have problem to not find them problematic with their ideologie (wishing to wipe out a other country) mixed with a twisted view of islam. About Ahmadinejad , I think he might try , but the guy before him ( a reformator than I forgoted his name), I might have a little confidence on his jugement. Question, do someone know if the Israelian asked permition or approval to the US before Entebbe ?
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We will soon see whether that is the case or not. Hopefully, there will be some openess on this score. Quote:
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That's not quite the way the standard of proof works. Since I brought up a negative claim, it's really your job to find information that refutes it. In any case, the Soviet Union and the West fought their halves of the war separately. The western Allies didn't tell the Soviets any great detail about their upcoming plans, and the vice versa was true. What the West did know, was that Stalin had been letting them know that he was interested in entering the war against Japan. In the summer of 1945, the date of the DoW had been set at mid-August to September. And that was pretty much all they knew until Stalin told them that he and Japan were at war. Quote:
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As a Russian immigrant into America (when I was 4), all I have to say is this:
We here in America made complete asses out of ourselves lately. The world got the leader they wanted, well, aside from the terrorists. Ayman Al-Zawahri wasted no time in insulting Obama. As for Medvedev, he's a puppet through and through. Putin owns the joint, and he's smart, cunning, and ruthless. Frankly, as an American, I'd much sooner wish to have that man as an ally than an enemy. Given that he essentially inherited a bankrupt nation (remember Long Term Capital Management? It went under because Russia literally defaulted on its debt), Putin has done a LOT of good, which is why the Russians adore him (and the few that don't...get conveniently disposed of). |
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the fact that he's Obama's foreign policy advisor... not good. Albright - another East European + Jew, this time from Czech Republic, real name Marie Jana Korbelová) - is also largely amoral. this is exemplified by her famous "the lives of 500,000 Iraqi children are a high price, but WE [sic!] are willing to pay it" line. Hillary.. bleh. tbh I have the impression she'll do anything for power. from my impression she doesnt have any reservations about changing positions from one day to the next if it is needed. no principles whatsoever. and Biden.. he went to Georgia almost immediately after it started the war, and called for $1 billion humanitarian help for Georgia (!).. so eh.. Quote:
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Khodorkovsky is another story, but that was without question quite justified. you could probably jail all of the oil oligarchs since the way they obtained the rights to whatever oil they produce was questionable at best, and in most cases quite illegal. also, the issue with Khodorkovsky was not that he didnt adore Putin or such. it was much more severe: 1) he had major political ambitions, including bribing Duma members by the bunch and directly opposing Putin and 2) he had concrete plans to sell major parts of Yukos - which in essence would have meant selling the control of a major part of Russian oil - to US companies, in particular Chevron. both are very grave things, and in Putin's place I wouldnt have hesitated in jailing him either. Last edited by Mumitroll; 2008-11-23 at 05:32. |
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The idea of relocated the jew on that territory is a old idea, and of course they were not saying the palestinian's territory but a country wthout people for people without country ( not sure the citation is completely right)
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basically the whole existence of Israel is simply a continuous colonization effort, constantly striking down native resistance with violence. thats not to say its something unusual - no, on the contrary, most of the world was at some point colonized in much the same way. for example in the US, the white European settlers basically destroyed the native Indians and herded the remaining ones in concentration camps euphemistically called "reservations", and that was it - the cornerstone for the modern USA. same thing in Australia. same thing in a good deal of Africa. etc. its another question of whether imperial colonization is always bad - in my opinion, not necessarily. it depends on what the colonizing power does. there are former colonies which view their old imperial lords rather favorably. for example, Taiwan. it is a former Japanese colony, yet the Taiwanese are in general quite friendly with the Japanese. a Taiwanese friend who guided me when I was there in March said that most of the good construction work, for example, was done under Japanese rule, and the corruption was far lower then than it is today. he viewed Japanese rule quite positively. another similar case is that of various former Russian satellites. many of them initially joined the Russian empire out of a wish for protection, explicitly sending envoys to the Tsars - like Georgia, for example. while among newage nationalistic governments it is popular to sweep such facts under the carpet, the general attitude towards Russians in many of those satellite states is quite positive since they invested immense money into developing the infrastructure, educational systems, etc of those border republics. now only if Israel would behave similarly towards the Palestinians... instead of driving over them with tanks.. Last edited by Mumitroll; 2008-11-23 at 08:09. |
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What I shoul have said is what is done will be difficult to reverse now ( of course, you can't reverse all those death) even if the will to do so was present ( and it nor teally for now.)
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