2010-11-03, 00:34 | Link #81 |
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The combination of upcoming fights is ludicrous. This will be a long arc if you assume every match up against the zombies will have at least 4 chapters dedicated, assuming 1v1.. they may team battle, but like most shonen battles they usually focus 1v1.
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2010-11-03, 01:03 | Link #82 |
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whats with the color spread though, rasengans floating around naruto? oh dear -__-
other than that i lovedd the fanservice no jutsu this chapter. I support the zombie ideas because hell with such a large cast, might as well make use of them anyway possible i will enjoyy this =D
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2010-11-03, 02:53 | Link #84 |
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As a Bleach fan who just witnessed the events of a "war" finally come to a conclusion after over 3 years worth of chapters, I can safely say, the thought scares me. Granted, Kishi and Kubo are very different writers IMO, but the fact remains, the present scenario makes it pretty easy for virtually any writer to drag this out for quite a long time indeed. So it should be interesting to see the pace at which this all plays out.
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2010-11-03, 05:18 | Link #85 | |
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This was fanservice-no-jutsu-no and I loved it. Best chapter ever. I got the return of so many old characters even if they are zombies, the Konoha 11 returning, teams being formed, Shikamaru and Temari working together again on the same team. ShikaTema will happen! And the Alliance finally looking like an army. Everything was awesome.
It's ironic that Madara actually did what Naruto hopes to accomplish. He brought the ninja world together. The fights are all there. Naruto vs. Sasuke The Kages vs. the old Kages including Gaara vs. his father! Shikamaru vs. Asuma Neji vs. his father Sakura vs. Chiyo Jinchūriki fights! Hanzo fight Kankurou's team vs. Sasori Rock Lee vs. Kimimaro Tsunade vs. Dan Kakashi vs. Zabuza and plenty of more matchups Kishi can throw at us. Quote:
Naruto fans generally love many of the secondary characters and welcome their return to the manga. With Bleach during the Winter War, people wanted to see what Aizen was up to and what was happening with Ichigo. With Naruto, the war is the only thing that matters.
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2010-11-03, 05:59 | Link #87 |
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Lots of ninjas rezzed out there...Chiyo, Kimimaro, previous Kages, the Akatsuki....should be a long, looong war alright. Feels kinda right though, pacing is what will determine the success of this arc. Naruto and Sasuke have finished powering up, can Kishi postpone their battle without leaving his main characters in the margin?
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2010-11-03, 06:21 | Link #88 | |
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Trying to make sense of the Organization and Chain of Command:
5 Kages: Ōnoki, Tsunade, A, Mei Terumī, Gaara
Commander General: Gaara DIV 1 General: Darui (Cloud) Midrange Fighters: Chouza, Tenten, Kotetsu? Izumo? Captain: Chouza? Captain: Hiashi? DIV 2 General: Kitshuci (Rock) Close Range Fighters: Kurotsuchi, Neji, Karui, Hinata Captain: Kurotsuchi? Captain: Raidou? DIV 3 General: Kakashi (Leaf) Close/Midrange Fighters: Gai, Lee, Sakura Captain: Gai? Captain: Baki? DIV 4 General: Shikamaru (Leaf) - On behalf of Gaara (Sand) Long Range Fighters: Chouji, Choujuurou? Captain: Temari? Captain: Akatsuchi? Ambush Company Captain: Kankurou Members: Sai, Omoi Captain: Genma? DIV 5 General: Mifune (Iron) Special Ops Members: Ino, Shino, Hana, Kiba, Tsume? Intel Company? Captain: Shikaku? Captain: Samui? Captain: Ibiki? Captain: Motoi? Sensor Company Captain: Inoichi Members: Aoba Sensor Company Captain: Ao Members: Shii Medical Company Captain: Shizune Members: ??? Recon Squad Captain: Anko Members: Tokuma, Aburame ? = Where I think they should or would go. Close/Midrange I'm guessing is a mixed Division of both Close and Midrange not fighters who are in-between. Why divide fighters by fighting style? Why are Chouji and his dad in different divisions? Quote:
Leaf = Sleeveless w/Neck Protector Sand = Extended Shoulder and Neck *Gaara appears to be an exception Cloud = Single Shoulder No Neck Mist = Extended Shoulder No Neck Rock = Double Shoulder No Neck That would be awesome! I'm surprised they've gone this long without being detected. I bet Kabuto knows, but feels they are no threat nor the intel they collect. He probably means for them to be there, for one reason or another. |
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2010-11-03, 06:47 | Link #91 | ||
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Ah well, no need to dwell on that, what's done is done. It should be cool to see Haku in action again, his jutsu was one of the best in the series.
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2010-11-03, 06:56 | Link #92 |
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I can't believe it, But Kishi has managed to outdo Kubo in lazy writing, I mean this is like the epitome of lazy shounen writing. You can already tell who's going to be fighting who and it's just terrible terrible writing no matter which way you look at it.
Reviving every dead character in the series just so you can easily give every old character one final fight for some purposeless character development?? Someone needs to give kishi a good smack in the head.
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2010-11-03, 07:16 | Link #93 | ||
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Your point is moot when you address Shounen. But I'll bite. On your second point of reviving every dead character, I can agree with it to a degree, but there's also a quality to it. That is, what james has already abundantly described: Quote:
Giving them quirks and depth without resorting to flashbacks is something I applaud. I loathe flashbacks and Naruto is already a flashback-heavy manga. How else would you characterize them? You would never see the extent of those ties between shinobi without lengthy flashes to another day and age. To expand on so many characters required a move that allowed storytelling to happen organically (ie team members sharing info on some of the zombies, opponents throwing jabs at the good guys or trying to turn them against each other) So, yeah, it was heavy-handed, but the subsequent interaction and exposition will only benefit. Last edited by Frenchie; 2010-11-03 at 07:26. |
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2010-11-03, 07:17 | Link #94 | ||
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And you know what. This is exactly what Kishi is planning to do. There is also zero sense of threat since it has been made obvious Kabuto would spread his legs to offer A LOT OF secondary characters token wins instead of keeping his zombies near him to make himself a BAMF ala Madara. There is only a semi-important fight here. It's Hinata returning the favor to Hizashi (who had killer intent toward her because he thought she sucked compared to Neji) by defeating him in front of a powerless Neji. And it comes from someone who thinks she is just a waste of space in every panel she is in. All the rest has absolutely no value beside fanservice. The family / teacher fights are already overdone in this manga and adding at least 3 more is overkill. Quote:
It's the same thing here. At least 25 zombies (5 Akatsukis, 6 jins, 3 kages, at least 11 elite ninjas, at least 2 being cut offpanel). An average of 3 chapters per zombie, and I think the average will be higher than that and it will take one year and a half to reach Kabuto, who will have a special set of zombies for whoever fights him for real (Jiraiya, Sakumo or whoever) so that will take even more time. Kabuto is the villain arc, and he'll die this arc since he has accomplished his only reason to be in the manga with the Yamato thing, but it's unlikely he'll get personally involved before 2013. This is just not bearable and you'll see it won't take long before the forums start to rage and ask for Naruto vs Sasuke instead of "Tenten, Chouza and guys from another village" vs "an unknown zombie" Good luck with your year and a half (if Kishi rushes things) of Shizune, Darui, Ao, Sai, Kiba fights before the plot starts moving on. I'll have dropped the manga way before that if all Kishi has to offer is cheap drama and fanservice. Last edited by Rahan; 2010-11-03 at 07:30. |
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2010-11-03, 07:33 | Link #95 | |
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I'd say james is reading a bit too much into things, This is just a lazy way to make old characters relevant again without any need of thinking of any new subplots, Fanservice at its best. And you seriously think that this won't result in new flashbacks?? If anything it will increase the number of useless flashbacks in the series.
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2010-11-03, 07:46 | Link #96 |
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I don't read Naruto just for Naruto and Sasuke. I'm more interested in balanced fights than I am seeing those two powerhouses going at each other. Not to mention what you're saying about Kishi is pure speculation.
I enjoy seeing other characters than Naruto. Team battles are lots of fun, and I expect them to be even more enjoyable in the context of a war. The idea that you'd be uninterested by fights without Naruto in it is deplorable. There's only so much diversity that can be offered by the heavy-hitters, and I want to see some more bloodline limits and abilities used in exciting ways in battle before this manga is over, thank you very much. |
2010-11-03, 07:51 | Link #97 | |
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By now, people should know I never liked Sasuke and that I grew to dislike Naruto. This doesn't make this arc more or less relevant in any way. |
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2010-11-03, 08:21 | Link #98 | |
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Ok... just let's think how Bleach and Naruto could look alike:
Aizen= Madara Kabuto= Gin Ichigo= Naruto Captains & ViceCaptains= Jounins and Chounins Fraccions & Arrancar= zombie army yeah... probably you can think that it's the same, but one thing is different, Kubo and Kishi's way too do things are different. Perhaps we would have pillars fight again, but the way Kishi make this kind of battles are way too different. Just go to Kakashi Gaiden and see how Minato Team acts and how Konoha's yellow flash did things. I think that is the way Kishi will do things here. With thousand of soldiers and not only 1 on 1s. Quote:
Kabuto can't go and fight Sasuke knowing that Madara is with him, so, he helps Madara and pulls some plan to isolate Sasuke in the middle of the fight to kill him. So there is when Anko's team could be handy.
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2010-11-03, 08:27 | Link #99 | |
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@Rahan, what do you like then?
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Also, why is fanservice inherently seen as bad? Aren't you supposed to please your base? I mean really, this is where you irked me: You said that Kishimoto was being lazy and/or stupid in writing his plot. You make it sound like anyone who likes this turn of events is just as brainless. Users like Dede and many others have been very critical of disaffecting the original genin teams at the start of Shippuuden. Shikamaru might have been spared, but the rest suffered a big hit in terms of presence. I remember several people being displeased by the fact that the story now seemed like it was constantly revolving around Sasuke. Now that the story has gotten around to more or less wrapping up the Uchiha vs Senju, we finally return to the teams, and, hopefully, see more of them, we finally get a great deal of enjoyment from the perspective of these fights and these developments (Which, I still believe, will feature shorter flashbacks than you would get without the zombies' perspective) and you get a few naysayers that complain how everything's gone wrong. I trust what my feelings tell me, I believe this is the right direction to take and I hope to god that I do get those damn genin fights. I've waited too goddamn long for this. |
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2010-11-03, 08:31 | Link #100 |
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I forgot another thing about Bleach's comparison:
Isn't like those battles where boring... maybe it went for too long, but the battles weren't that bad. Besides, in Naruto, battles can be even more cool for the crazy things they can do, isn't bankais and slashes or piercing.
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