Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans - Anime Spoilers & Speculation

[NBG]

I feel bad for mcgillis but I think he's going to cross the line and exact his vengeance on everyone.

"AWAKEN MOBILE ARMORS OF THE PAST! YOU'RE JOB IS NOT FINISHED! BURN IT ALL TO THE GROUND" type of thing.

[Rising Dragon]

That's stretching it. You can't rule the world if you've already destroyed it.

[Kuroi Hadou]

The question you really have to ask yourself is whose blood was Almiria covered with in the PV.

[Rising Dragon]

Those craven bitches who were poaching on her Macky, of course!

[Batknight]

So with everyone saying that Bael 'has the soul of Agnika Kaieru' what does this mean exactly? With the way everyone's freaking out about it I assume it's not just in a figurative sense.

[Skye629]

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

And here's a thought. We've been thinking about what if Mika becomes Barbatos like perhaps Agnika is Bael and Ein is Vidar. Orga being the new pilot of the Mika/Barbatos?
Just an idea.

Orga's a bad candidate if they go this route IMO, he needs to be giving commands on the bridge/his own MS (which he's never even sortied in yet, imo its mainly for if this ship goes down or if he's on land)

Barbatos is best used as an offensive weapon, not a command MS



Personally leaning towards Hush, however that means that Mika is going to have to bite it, and Hush somehow has to get the same AV setup as Macky or Gaelio

[kgrodriguez]

Originally Posted by Batknight

So with everyone saying that Bael 'has the soul of Agnika Kaieru' what does this mean exactly? With the way everyone's freaking out about it I assume it's not just in a figurative sense.

I'm not sure either, but using the context clues that the show has provided, I can come up with a theory.

Excessive use of the full extent of the AV system leaves an imprint of the thoughts/ideas/"soul" of said user to the system. These can, in turn, possibly take over the body and/or mind of whoever uses it next.

(1) We've seen Mika regain functions that he has lost whenever he is connected to Barbatos. Now I'm no expert on neurology, but they could probably come up with some sort of explanation close to the above.

(2) Gaelio saying that Ein can use his body as he wishes, and then Vidar's fighting style suddenly becomes similar to that of Ein. If Ein's brain is in there just so that Gaelio's brain doesn't fry itself with the information overload that the AV system brings, then the Vidar should still be having the same fighting style. But it changing it's fighting style suggests otherwise. It is not Gaelio using Ein, it is Ein using Gaelio.

(3) McGillis kept on referring to Bael as Agnika, so this leads me to think it has some similarities with Ein and Vidar.

As to why there are some freaking out, my theory is that Agnika is not who we think he is based on what was already presented in the show. Agnika could very well have been corrupted by power and from being the leader, became a crazed mad man hell bent on destruction in the name of reforming the status quo. Notice that it was the old seven stars member that was shown to be freaking out as if he saw the devil. It could very well be because he is one that knows more about Agnika and Bael.

Maybe this is why there is a Seven Stars, so that not only one person (Agnika) will lead the organization.

Maybe this is why Bael is in a water prison, so that if anyone dare activate it, they can flood it or something like that.

[Skaddix]

Yeah Agnika probably went nuts at the end and those that would be the Seven Stars were forced to put him down.

Now we know why McGillis likes Tekkadan so much. Kindred Spirits. It also lowers the chance of McGillis voluntarily screwing Tekkadan. That does not count go off the rocker thanks to Bael.

Question remains will Kudelia do something.

2 to 1 Odds Only? Rustal needs more troops.

Is it just me or does it look like Iok might actually make it out alive thanks to Rustal putting him under how arrest.

Red Head Scientist cant wait to experiment on Julietta.

[kgrodriguez]

Originally Posted by Skaddix

Yeah Agnika probably went nuts at the end and those that would be the Seven Stars were forced to put him down.

Now we know why McGillis likes Tekkadan so much. Kindred Spirits. It also lowers the chance of McGillis voluntarily screwing Tekkadan. That does not count go off the rocker thanks to Bael.

Question remains will Kudelia do something.

2 to 1 Odds Only? Rustal needs more troops.

Is it just me or does it look like Iok might actually make it out alive thanks to Rustal putting him under how arrest.

Red Head Scientist cant wait to experiment on Julietta.

(1) This I agree with. If anything, I think the AV system of Bael does something to McGillis, and that leads to Bael vs Barbatos.

(2) I think Kudelia will indeed do something, though I'm not sure what. I'd like to think that she'd use her connections on Earth to lend a hand to Tekkadan, which eventually leads to a more unified world or something like that.

(3) Nah, Iok will still do something. He's subordinates will probably push him to do so.

[tdx]

I still think that the soul from episode 44 is Agnika's, and the man who obtained it is McGillis. Almiria's in there for the drama, which is to be expected because that particular episode is penned by Okada herself. As a possibility, maybe Almiria will take her own life instead of just being predictable collateral damage.

45-46 look like they'll give us some new levels of desperation (and I thought it was impossible, huh). Vidar vs Barbatos&Bael is poorly balanced, Gaelio won't stand a chance like that, so we probably can expect Julietta (the possibility of her Ein-fication is still not zero, imo) to join the fray, and of course the clash of the fleets is inevitable, too, probably with Tekkadan having to take the brunt of it because Liza Enza's fleet looks like eager newbies without much real fighting experience (and the subs cut corners a little, 40 is the count of Halfbeak class ships alone in Rustal's fleet - implying that there are other ships of other classes as well in his fleet)

With Iok... the most disastrous development may be that Rustal gets killed somehow and Iok is left in charge of the whole goddamn Arianrhod...

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

And here's a thought. We've been thinking about what if Mika becomes Barbatos like perhaps Agnika is Bael and Ein is Vidar. Orga being the new pilot of the Mika/Barbatos?
Just an idea.

We have yet to see Orga pilot at least his custom Shiden...

As to Barbatos with Mika's soul, if it does happen, it will probably be his memento to his son (Atra seems sad so I guess she's close to making up her mind).

[NBG]

i wonder if mcgillis will go kill iznario

[Skye629]

If the theory behind Agnika/Bael is true, its quite possible what I theorized before in the earlier episodes may be true. That the account of Agnika Kaieru that McGillis reads may be romanticized/altered from actual truth. At any rate theres much more to Bael than meets the eye, I wonder if we will get info through the show first, or when the model kits arrive in March

Originally Posted by tdx

With Iok... the most disastrous development may be that Rustal gets killed somehow and Iok is left in charge of the whole goddamn Arianrhod...

Ermmmmmmm

Isnt that good? Chances are Iok will singlehanded wreck the whole fleet on his own without McGillis having to raise a finger

[Irenesharda]

Originally Posted by NBG

i wonder if mcgillis will go kill iznario

As they say, there are.worse things than killing someone. Iznario himself was all about power.
McGillis both took away his power and exiled him so that.he can never have it again, while he, his slave, takes everything and becomes the.master.

[Faux Mecha]

makes me wonder what is up with the Bael being sealed in chamber full of water unless it has something to do with Agnika's tastes when he was still alive, like he loves water & swimming or something.

[kgrodriguez]

Originally Posted by Skye629

If the theory behind Agnika/Bael is true, its quite possible what I theorized before in the earlier episodes may be true. That the account of Agnika Kaieru that McGillis reads may be romanticized/altered from actual truth.

The more and more we get to know about Bael and Agnika, the more I believe this is true.

[tdx]

Originally Posted by Skye629

Ermmmmmmm

Isnt that good? Chances are Iok will singlehanded wreck the whole fleet on his own without McGillis having to raise a finger

Iok proved a lethal disaster to everyone in vicinity, both friend and foe alike... judging by how dirty and mercilessly he fought the Turbines, we'd get a lot of victims, including among Tekkadan, if he was to be left in charge of a massive fleet without Rustal to check in his stupidity.

[vic-vic]

Dirty or merciless... it's just me or Iok's style of fighting very similar to Tekkadan's MO. I think it would be funny to see Orga losing a lot of his friends to thir very owb style of battle

[tdx]

Originally Posted by vic-vic

Dirty or merciless... it's just me or Iok's style of fighting very similar to Tekkadan's MO. I think it would be funny to see Orga losing a lot of his friends to thir very owb style of battle

When pirate mooks sent a surrender signal, Tekkadan's fighters accepted and didn't kill. Now compare to Iok ignoring all sorts of surrender signals and cease-fire requests and firing forbidden weapon at civilian escape pods.

[vic-vic]

I also remember what Mika had done when Carta and her subordinates stood outside their mobile suits

[tdx]

And? They were neither civilians, nor were they surrendering, weren't they. We've discussed it many times how that was Carta's fault and her failure as a commander. And speaking of Orga, his initial reaction was a freak-out.