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stormwaltzing · 2011-11-22, 03:22

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Originally Posted by encia

It depends on the applied material/applied science capabilities of Anatoray and co.

With our current level of science, we can't even construct our own biological machine i.e. treat all living organisms as advance machines.

Keep in mind that there was the Guild on Prester, too. And yes Delphine was killed and the guild TOPPLED!! But remember the Trial of Agoon so technically if the Guild was still in any sort of functioning mode (which it very well could be), that it's technically Dio calling the shots since he was the successor. So Anatoray might have that extra Guild tech to keep it standing since Dio's obviously in with helping them out.

(I may or may not have a secret dream of hearing MAESTRO DIO ok don't judge me)

Friday · 2011-11-22, 04:31

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Originally Posted by Sinestra

I love Giselle her attention to detail and the ability to retain information is an asset. She instantly looked up when she heard Tatiania say Anatoray. There is no way she is going to forget that name she looked very curious. Its only a matter of time before she asked about the name.

in the preview Giselle is seen in a library probaly looking for info

encia · 2011-11-22, 06:59

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Originally Posted by stormwaltzing

Keep in mind that there was the Guild on Prester, too. And yes Delphine was killed and the guild TOPPLED!! But remember the Trial of Agoon so technically if the Guild was still in any sort of functioning mode (which it very well could be), that it's technically Dio calling the shots since he was the successor. So Anatoray might have that extra Guild tech to keep it standing since Dio's obviously in with helping them out.

(I may or may not have a secret dream of hearing MAESTRO DIO ok don't judge me)

Atm, Anatoray's best ship is the Silvius. Silvana can go 1:1 against Guild Battleship.

azarhal · 2011-11-22, 07:36

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Hah! Love that idea. By the way, I wonder how much of the Silvius Millia has taken over by now?

I think they only have that table in the mess (the one surrendered by yellow tape).

Tatiana is know for being quite territorial, anybody trying to undercut her in her ship is going to receive a lot of staring. Staring that make Dio shut-up I must add.

MeggieMay · 2011-11-22, 08:41

I wrote this up last night but didn't get around to posting it at the time

Spoilers for length

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Some of my thoughts on LE FAM Ep 6:

I thought the beginning of the episode was very fascinating. Lady Vasant comment about being a child soilder made me wonder if the historical politics used in this show have more to do with the unrest/upheaval in Eastern Asia (along with similar issues in Africa and the Middle East) during the second half of the 20th Century than the Nazi's (the fact Augusta Farahnaz looks to me like a cross between a Buddha, a Hindu Goddess, and Chairman Mao probably isn't helping either

). After watching the episode for the first time I had to wonder if Augusta Farahnaz might not be the rightful leader of Ades but instead took the position through a power struggle. The show has already made comment that the unrest was going on before the Grand Race and the fact Farahnaz had a bunch of "child soldiers" at her disposal doesn't point to her being the peaceful one all through her reign.

Still, I do have a feeling that toward the end of her life she may have legitimately wanted to end the conflict and have peace and having a daughter may have been a catalyst for that (though I'm also wondering at this point is Sara really her biological daughter? Just as good a question - looking at her in the picture, she seems old enough to have had several children, so is Sara her only child or only "living" child?). However, I think Augusta Farahnaz wish was "peace under One nation, one planet, one people."

Not really a workable scheme because there will always be people who don't want to live under one nations ideals.

Which leads us back to Luscinia. I think Luscinia has come to the conclusion that peace be dam*d and Augusta Farahnaz's "One nation, one planet, one people" is the top priority, with the "one people" being just the people Luscinia thinks are worthy (or just the Ades people - hard to tell if he is seeing a difference there or not). Luscinia has had a stated goal since Ep 2 of wanting to control the returnee population by killing them off and my gut tells me that that wasn't Farahnaz's plan at all (70% chance she really was wanting everyone there to just be one happy world government under her rule

).

So do the others in Augusta Sara's court know what's going on? Good question! I think they all may have known the purge was coming but the Turan Exile Government stuff was just serendipity - it was all in motion when Alauda showed up with the paper. Is Sara going to be upset by this turn of events? I'm thinking the answer will be no, but not because she won't know but because Luscinia will have spun her a story she buys into. As for the massacre, it's could be they all know, since it looks like Sara's counsel were off in the countries of the nobles they were killing off subduing them. That said, I'm not sure they really know about the "population control" stuff Luscinia was spouting in Ep 2. They are most likely believing they're keeping things in control for Augusta Sara and Luscinia stuff is going on with Aluda and the Guild types but it's hard to know for certain. The thing that did stick out was Lady Vasant reaction to the loyal royalty she was talking with. I'm half tempted to think she's got her own agenda as well that has nothing to do with the other two talked about above.

As for how the Guild fits into this, I think Augusta Farahnaz was Guild. I've been studding her picture and it looks like she had faint facial marks in the design seen on the wall during the massacre along the lines of the Guild members we've seen in the past, though they don't seem to be exactly the same (i.e. not in the middle of her forehead) For pictures of Farahnaz face check :33 and 1:05 time code mark, while the design I'm talking about is at :30 and 15:58 mark.

At this point I got to wandering on what I was wanting to say and stopped and just saved it until now. So that's why this kind of just ends (sorry about that).

A couple of thoughts about what's been posted. First, I think the historical background of what is going on here goes behind the Nazi's. They weren't the first group to have large purges and they weren't the last. I think they are coming to mind because of the style setting on this show but I'm seeing more historical incidents being used here than just Germany in the 1930s. I'm not saying it isn't a (big) influence - Augusta Farahnaz's death does ring of the incident that started WWI but I'm wondering if the show is going for a broader story point here.

Shipping Dio/Lucciola For the last series, I could see that but Lucciola is gone and Dio needs to keep living. He's never going to forget Lucciola (you don't do that with the people you love who die) but to live means to work through it and live on. Just my opinion.

Baroness Roshanak - I believe we're going to see her a lot in the future. I think she knew full well who Millia is but more importantly she seem to know a lot about what was going on period. She's some sort of behind the scenes person, probably a information broker of some sort. At this point she seems to be in it for herself and I can't tell where she fits into it in the grand scheme of things. As for her "girls" being traps, possible but she mentioned they were former nobility who had bought positions by being loyal to Ades and that also works as a plot point as well (they could be male's with the same back story but that's more for fanfic IMO

).

Anyway, things don't look good in next weeks previews. Not for certain but it looks like Ades may have caught up with the Sky Pirates

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wandering-dreamer · 2011-11-22, 12:43

About the Anatoray-Disith stuff, didn't the two countries merge towards the end of the last series right before they pooled their resources to defeat the Guild? I thought that was part of the treaty, making Sophia queen over all of them, although I could have misinterpreted that.

And it also occurs to me just how much of a spoiler mine field this is for the first season, wohoops, do we have any people here you haven't seen the first season by any chance?

pewpewpew · 2011-11-22, 12:52

I thought it was interesting that only some of the Ades commanders (Luscinia, Kayvān, Ōrang, and Sorūsh) were shown to be directly involved (i.e. getting their hands dirty) in the purge, while Sadri and Vasant weren't. Sadri was presumably still with the 1st Fleet (which Tatiana instructs Dio to avoid, as they're still on the prowl), so for him it was presumably a matter of distance, even if he knew/approved of the purges. Vasant, on the other hand, was the subject of attention in this episode, has been established as a non-Ades native, and has been shown questioning Luscinia in the past (e.g. when she asks how he was able to command an Exile). Any dissatisfaction within Ades is sure to be centred on her.

I wonder if next episode is Sadri's time in the spotlight? As I mentioned above, we know his fleet is already searching for the Silvius. I hope he lives up to his appearance as a wily, professional old dude.

Soconfused · 2011-11-22, 13:27

Mmm, I hope that Roshanaku chick show's up more. Dat body....a nice contrast to all the loli's running around.

Stevie_Nix · 2011-11-22, 17:07

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I'm not a big shipper period but there was something so heartwrenchy about how it ended for them (the flashbacks didn't help :P) which just. Blew up even more in Fam with the reference all this time later. But then again, as I've mentioned before I wasn't a big fan of how they handled any of Claus' relationships (save for Lavie) in terms of characterization, so Dio and Lucciola just seemed a lot more there and not out of the blue (hi Sophia making out with Claus). But then meanwhile I am shipping everything in Fam because of dis character development...

Yes, that its. Compared to the rest of the relationships, Dio and Lucciola was probably the most developed.

On the other hand, Fam really does seem to actively working on the relationships this time.

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Could be! I just kept staring like I CAN'T TELL!!! She did say cute boys, but ... my brain...

When the scene started I was thinking to myself, "Wow, the Barioness likes girls in dressed as butlers."

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Yeah, he did. Which is like. SIDE-EYE. Up until that part I was more for the idea of his past just messing with him and him not being that much of a douche. But after this ... it was really extreme what he did. So it's like eeeeeeven if they try to go for that view of him after this it'll be a little tougher to sympathize. Unless of course there's a twist within the twist.

I'm not sure if you were ever suposed to sympathize with him in the first place. That said my theory he is being driven by this extreme need to atone for the death of the last Empress, all this rather fits nicely.

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Love the talk Giselle had with my waifu Alister in her sexy new voice lol. Its very easy to see how Alister could offer such advice given she was in the same position not long ago. I think Sophia and Fam are more alike than they think similarly to how Alex Row and Claus were similar but it took time for both of them to see it. I love Giselle her attention to detail and the ability to retain information is an asset. She instantly looked up when she heard Tatiania say Anatoray. There is no way she is going to forget that name she looked very curious. Its only a matter of time before she asked about the name.

I think that was my favorite scene of the last episode. Heh, I got to say they are setting it up nicely to finally lead the action to Anatoray.

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I thought it was interesting that only some of the Ades commanders (Luscinia, Kayvān, Ōrang, and Sorūsh) were shown to be directly involved (i.e. getting their hands dirty) in the purge, while Sadri and Vasant weren't. Sadri was presumably still with the 1st Fleet (which Tatiana instructs Dio to avoid, as they're still on the prowl), so for him it was presumably a matter of distance, even if he knew/approved of the purges. Vasant, on the other hand, was the subject of attention in this episode, has been established as a non-Ades native, and has been shown questioning Luscinia in the past (e.g. when she asks how he was able to command an Exile). Any dissatisfaction within Ades is sure to be centred on her.

I wonder if next episode is Sadri's time in the spotlight? As I mentioned above, we know his fleet is already searching for the Silvius. I hope he lives up to his appearance as a wily, professional old dude.

I found it interesting that the one general who is not an Ades native, and seems to have the most doublts about Luscinia and the conduct of the war is also the one with the most access to the Empress. Luscinia is frequently away, but seems like Vasant spends most of her time with Sara.

I like that idea, start giving the generals some more background. I think how next episode plays out is Sadri manages to catch up with the fleet heading towards Anatoray.

djmaca · 2011-11-23, 00:56

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Originally Posted by azarhal

I think they only have that table in the mess (the one surrendered by yellow tape).

Tatiana is know for being quite territorial, anybody trying to undercut her in her ship is going to receive a lot of staring. Staring that make Dio shut-up I must add.

Hah! But surprise, surprise: she didn't. Or that's maybe due to the fact that her "territory" didn't grew any bigger than it was when they started stealing ships.

DangerMouse · 2011-11-23, 01:18

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Ah, I thought her rank was lower. My mistake.

So perhaps the last scene on Earth in the original takes place after some of the events in Sunadokei no Tabibito. It's also possible they just relocated to some place where wheat was actually growing. There seemed to be a large wood growing right next to the house in the manga if I remember correctly but it's not there in the end scene of Last Exile

Yeah. She was also high-ranking enough that she was the one Sophia would have handpicked for the next promotion to Silvana's first officer if she had accepted, though it didn't turn out to be necessary anyway after everything went down in Anatoray right after.

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Great episode not only do we get to see a great race in which they pay homage to Lavie and Claus's victory from the 1st season but we also get to see potentially what is happening behind the scenes in Augusta's name.

When taking over a country the best way is from the inside out. Getting rid of the noble families is a very intelligent move. Not only have potential threats and ships been removed from Luscinia's path but using Augusta's name to justify the purge will keep it legitimate all the while that little girl knows nothing and all the same the chess pieces are being moved in around her to remove her from power. Im starting to see the bigger picture here and its a bloody and ugly one much bloodier than i had anticipated. Luscinia seems to hold a grudge against everyone and everything. However Milinia Gov in Exile posters and Fam stealing of Ades ships served as a perfect backdrop for his Purge little does she and Fam know they made his plans go even smoother. Perfect way to have an excuse to Purge troublesome Royals

Im starting to wonder if the reason Anatoray sent the Silvius into action is because they some how obtain information about this plot knowing they couldn't stop what was going to happen they decided to recon and plan for the the future. Sophia was not only a good 2nd in command but if i remember she was also a good tactician. Sending out Tatiania and the Silvius has her name written all over it. There is no way Ades can hold so much territory effectively. Its bound to suffer the same problem Rome had at its decline too much territory and not enough men to defend it. Ades has a lot of ships but once you spread them thin you can hit and run forcing them to have to redeploy over and over. Given that a group left the Silviuswith a bunch of the stolen ships gives me the impression that something very huge is being planned. I am sure those ships were taken to Anatoray and Sophia.

Love the talk Giselle had with my waifu Alister in her sexy new voice lol. Its very easy to see how Alister could offer such advice given she was in the same position not long ago. I think Sophia and Fam are more alike than they think similarly to how Alex Row and Claus were similar but it took time for both of them to see it. I love Giselle her attention to detail and the ability to retain information is an asset. She instantly looked up when she heard Tatiania say Anatoray. There is no way she is going to forget that name she looked very curious. Its only a matter of time before she asked about the name.

I am also on board with the Silvana+Urbanus=Silvius it may be the best of both platforms plus some extra goodies to make it the ship it is. I find it to be a very logical theory.

I get the feeling the shit is about the hit the fan and when the battle lines are drawn and we see who take whats side and Anatoray enters the mix i think we are going to have one hell of a war.

Yeah.

I totally agree now Giselle's going to be quite curious about Anatoray. I like those observations about Giselle, Alister, Sophia, Fam, Alex and Claus.

I don't think the Silvius is physically made from parts from either the Silvana or Urbanus, and the Silvius feels pretty new with the new look and features, but I do think it's made from the plans of both ships as we've previously theorized.

Personally I'd be quite surprised if Sophia hasn't kept the Silvana as her lead ship wherever Anatoray is here and continued to keep her upgraded since only two years ago the ship was definitely ready-to-go when you see her at Alex's grave. So far the old Silvana is still the best ship we know of that Anatoray's got under the brand new Silvius (unless it was needed for parts) so I'd be surprised if it's not in service especially given the state of the Earth. But it's similarities to the Silvana ofcourse and the Urbanus and a bit of Disith certainly feels accurate.

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I'm not sure if you were ever suposed to sympathize with him in the first place. That said my theory he is being driven by this extreme need to atone for the death of the last Empress, all this rather fits nicely.

I found it interesting that the one general who is not an Ades native, and seems to have the most doublts about Luscinia and the conduct of the war is also the one with the most access to the Empress. Luscinia is frequently away, but seems like Vasant spends most of her time with Sara.

I like that idea, start giving the generals some more background. I think how next episode plays out is Sadri manages to catch up with the fleet heading towards Anatoray.

Agreed, his drive for this really does feel like it stems from whatever disaster occurred back then.

Yeah Vasant is quite interesting. Having so many generals really opens the possibilities if they keep developing them, I can't wait to see how Ades plays out. And I agree pewpewpew, hopefully Sadri delivers.

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Baroness Roshanak - I believe we're going to see her a lot in the future. I think she knew full well who Millia is but more importantly she seem to know a lot about what was going on period. She's some sort of behind the scenes person, probably a information broker of some sort. At this point she seems to be in it for herself and I can't tell where she fits into it in the grand scheme of things. .

Yeah I got the same impression. She feels like the kind of connected character that will have a key role.

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It almost seems to be like Ades in a way IS the Guild and those guys were just the same as the grunts we saw in the first series. Of course after 600 years they're not "the Guild" anymore, but they seem to have the same sort of organization. The creepy-looking killers obeying the orders of the (prettier because they're a main character) higher-up (which was Delphine in the first series).

I dunno, if they are they are they're certainly keeping their tech highly isolated for being part of the country as little true Guild tech seems to be part of Ades' forces, since Alauda's the only one who's brought out anything resembling the next level of Guild tech in his ship, however with this I could certainly see Luscinia and Alauda having real knowing connections to the Guild on Earth and not just through bloodline like Liliana which makes Ades "sort of" part of the Guild. I think Ades' relationship to the Guild is one of the key mysteries for me.

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Interesting we got some background on Vasant. I get the feeling she is more loyal to Sara personally then Ades. Its going to get interesting when it might come down to choosing between doing what is the best for Sara and what is the best to carry out the former Augusta's ambitions. At least how Luscinia interprets them. Hell its going to be interesting to see what path each of the generals take.

So the race was part of Fam's plan to get more ships, but this time it was a wager than cover for a heist. Loved how Fam and Gisey managed to win it in the end.

I do not think there has been any misunderstanding. Luscinia has said before the mass destruction of the returnees has been the goal all along. The other generals have go along with it so far because he is ordering it.

Yeah, the way she's acted with Sara in all of her appearances so far I definitely feel like that too, she feels like she has a really strong attachment to her.

Yeah it was great.

Agreed, it hasn't been much of a secret. They're doing a great job making me really interested in how exactly everything went down back when Farahnaz died.

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I think you mean Tatiana and not Sophia. Although, they have a huge difference when it come to express their emotions. Fam goes for the "hyperactive" style to hide how she feel, while Tatiana stay in ice mode. They both want to fly in a free sky though.

Oh yeah, that's a nice parallel.

pewpewpew · 2011-11-23, 20:32

Funny thing I hadn't noticed before now, because it hasn't been emphasised in the show itself: Both Vasant and Sadri seem to have pointy ears, whereas the other three commanders don't. You can see this if you look at the character concepts on the Animax homepage. Am I seeing things?

Myssa Rei · 2011-11-23, 21:10

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Am I seeing things?

You're not the only one. I noticed Vasant's pointy ears back in episode 3, but since Sara ALSO had them, I just brushed it off as it being something connected to Ades and its connection with the Guild. Given what was known at the time, it was very easy to assume that the Turan princesses weren't an isolated case, and that there were likely other native-Guild mixed bloods running around.

Of course, this was before we learned that Vasant isn't from Ades at all, but from an annexed country. Hmm...

miketyson · 2011-11-23, 21:14

stormwaltzing: wow, something you said just made something make a whole lot more sense to me. I guess I remembered that Dio would be the Prester Guild's new Meastro after the end of LE, but I hadn't figured that out.

That makes everything we've seen make a lot more sense -- he's more at the level of someone like Sophia than someone like Tatiana (let alone Fam and Giselle). That explains what why he's free to goof around like he has been, and why there was that one deckhand saluting furiously when he walked past in ep 5.

encia · 2011-11-23, 21:45

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You're not the only one. I noticed Vasant's pointy ears back in episode 3, but since Sara ALSO had them, I just brushed it off as it being something connected to Ades and its connection with the Guild. Given what was known at the time, it was very easy to assume that the Turan princesses were an isolated case, and that there were likely other native-Guild mixed bloods running around.

Of course, this was before we learned that Vasant isn't from Ades at all, but from an annexed country. Hmm...

Vasant's head gear looks to be Guild in origin.

encia · 2011-11-24, 01:48

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I like that idea, start giving the generals some more background. I think how next episode plays out is Sadri manages to catch up with the fleet heading towards Anatoray.

Any hints for this scenario?

pewpewpew · 2011-11-24, 05:23

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Any hints for this scenario?

I hadn't really thought about it, but the captured ships (on their way back to "Anatoray") are separated from the Silvius (we saw Tatiana saying goodbye to Dio in the scene with Giselle and Alister), so they don't have the advantage of its firepower.

Additionally, they can't have much in the way of crew. I mean, we could infer that they've been shuttling technical staff to the captured ships from Anatoray, but even then these people would be unused to operating Ades ships, especially ones involved in combat. In a worst case, the prize ships have only skeleton crews and can't fight effectively.

This makes me wonder if the battle we'll see next episode will involve the Silvius alone vs. the 1st Fleet. In the preview, the only good guys we see during battle are Fam and Giselle in the Vespa (and a swarm of vanships whose allegiance is unknown). So it could just be them running interference for the Silvius while it makes a run for it. We see Federation battleships emerging from a bank of fog, which makes me suspect a trap being sprung.

Interestingly, and I hadn't picked up on this before, the preview includes a shot of the underside of an Ades ship, with massed guns pointing straight downwards. An anti-vanship weapon?

azarhal · 2011-11-24, 08:01

The Ades ships we see in the preview belong to Kaivan's fleet (the fleet are "color" coded). Sadri's fleet use the older model too.

pewpewpew · 2011-11-24, 09:07

Good catch on the colour scheme!

Kayvān hasn't exactly covered himself in glory so far; his fleet was disordered by the Sky Pirates in the first episode, and he was duped by the faked scuttling of the Lasas, allowing it to attempt a kamikaze attack on Luscinia's flagship. Maybe now it's time for him to make a better impression.

Stevie_Nix · 2011-11-25, 02:45

Just noticed that Fam, Gisey, and Millia's character's art now also shows their alternative costumes.

Also new ship cross-section!

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wandering-dreamer reads too much Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: you know that's a great question.....	About the Anatoray-Disith stuff, didn't the two countries merge towards the end of the last series right before they pooled their resources to defeat the Guild? I thought that was part of the treaty, making Sophia queen over all of them, although I could have misinterpreted that. And it also occurs to me just how much of a spoiler mine field this is for the first season, wohoops, do we have any people here you haven't seen the first season by any chance? __________________ If it has a plot I have something to say about it! Twitter time!

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Soconfused Old God Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: you....don't wanna know Age: 37	Mmm, I hope that Roshanaku chick show's up more. Dat body....a nice contrast to all the loli's running around. __________________ What exactly is the point of becoming powerful if one cannot indulge the hedonistic opportunities that come with it?

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Stevie_Nix Longtime Lurker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: The Inland Empire Age: 40	Updates at Fam's offical site. Just noticed that Fam, Gisey, and Millia's character's art now also shows their alternative costumes. Also new ship cross-section! __________________ Morinaga Milk's Girl Friends Licensed by Seven Seas!

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MeggieMay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004	I wrote this up last night but didn't get around to posting it at the time Spoilers for length Spoiler: Some of my thoughts on LE FAM Ep 6: I thought the beginning of the episode was very fascinating. Lady Vasant comment about being a child soilder made me wonder if the historical politics used in this show have more to do with the unrest/upheaval in Eastern Asia (along with similar issues in Africa and the Middle East) during the second half of the 20th Century than the Nazi's (the fact Augusta Farahnaz looks to me like a cross between a Buddha, a Hindu Goddess, and Chairman Mao probably isn't helping either ). After watching the episode for the first time I had to wonder if Augusta Farahnaz might not be the rightful leader of Ades but instead took the position through a power struggle. The show has already made comment that the unrest was going on before the Grand Race and the fact Farahnaz had a bunch of "child soldiers" at her disposal doesn't point to her being the peaceful one all through her reign. Still, I do have a feeling that toward the end of her life she may have legitimately wanted to end the conflict and have peace and having a daughter may have been a catalyst for that (though I'm also wondering at this point is Sara really her biological daughter? Just as good a question - looking at her in the picture, she seems old enough to have had several children, so is Sara her only child or only "living" child?). However, I think Augusta Farahnaz wish was "peace under One nation, one planet, one people." Not really a workable scheme because there will always be people who don't want to live under one nations ideals. Which leads us back to Luscinia. I think Luscinia has come to the conclusion that peace be dam*d and Augusta Farahnaz's "One nation, one planet, one people" is the top priority, with the "one people" being just the people Luscinia thinks are worthy (or just the Ades people - hard to tell if he is seeing a difference there or not). Luscinia has had a stated goal since Ep 2 of wanting to control the returnee population by killing them off and my gut tells me that that wasn't Farahnaz's plan at all (70% chance she really was wanting everyone there to just be one happy world government under her rule ). So do the others in Augusta Sara's court know what's going on? Good question! I think they all may have known the purge was coming but the Turan Exile Government stuff was just serendipity - it was all in motion when Alauda showed up with the paper. Is Sara going to be upset by this turn of events? I'm thinking the answer will be no, but not because she won't know but because Luscinia will have spun her a story she buys into. As for the massacre, it's could be they all know, since it looks like Sara's counsel were off in the countries of the nobles they were killing off subduing them. That said, I'm not sure they really know about the "population control" stuff Luscinia was spouting in Ep 2. They are most likely believing they're keeping things in control for Augusta Sara and Luscinia stuff is going on with Aluda and the Guild types but it's hard to know for certain. The thing that did stick out was Lady Vasant reaction to the loyal royalty she was talking with. I'm half tempted to think she's got her own agenda as well that has nothing to do with the other two talked about above. As for how the Guild fits into this, I think Augusta Farahnaz was Guild. I've been studding her picture and it looks like she had faint facial marks in the design seen on the wall during the massacre along the lines of the Guild members we've seen in the past, though they don't seem to be exactly the same (i.e. not in the middle of her forehead) For pictures of Farahnaz face check :33 and 1:05 time code mark, while the design I'm talking about is at :30 and 15:58 mark. At this point I got to wandering on what I was wanting to say and stopped and just saved it until now. So that's why this kind of just ends (sorry about that). A couple of thoughts about what's been posted. First, I think the historical background of what is going on here goes behind the Nazi's. They weren't the first group to have large purges and they weren't the last. I think they are coming to mind because of the style setting on this show but I'm seeing more historical incidents being used here than just Germany in the 1930s. I'm not saying it isn't a (big) influence - Augusta Farahnaz's death does ring of the incident that started WWI but I'm wondering if the show is going for a broader story point here. Shipping Dio/Lucciola For the last series, I could see that but Lucciola is gone and Dio needs to keep living. He's never going to forget Lucciola (you don't do that with the people you love who die) but to live means to work through it and live on. Just my opinion. Baroness Roshanak - I believe we're going to see her a lot in the future. I think she knew full well who Millia is but more importantly she seem to know a lot about what was going on period. She's some sort of behind the scenes person, probably a information broker of some sort. At this point she seems to be in it for herself and I can't tell where she fits into it in the grand scheme of things. As for her "girls" being traps, possible but she mentioned they were former nobility who had bought positions by being loyal to Ades and that also works as a plot point as well (they could be male's with the same back story but that's more for fanfic IMO ). Anyway, things don't look good in next weeks previews. Not for certain but it looks like Ades may have caught up with the Sky Pirates .

2011-11-22, 12:52	Link #1107
pewpewpew Member Join Date: Nov 2011	I thought it was interesting that only some of the Ades commanders (Luscinia, Kayvān, Ōrang, and Sorūsh) were shown to be directly involved (i.e. getting their hands dirty) in the purge, while Sadri and Vasant weren't. Sadri was presumably still with the 1st Fleet (which Tatiana instructs Dio to avoid, as they're still on the prowl), so for him it was presumably a matter of distance, even if he knew/approved of the purges. Vasant, on the other hand, was the subject of attention in this episode, has been established as a non-Ades native, and has been shown questioning Luscinia in the past (e.g. when she asks how he was able to command an Exile). Any dissatisfaction within Ades is sure to be centred on her. I wonder if next episode is Sadri's time in the spotlight? As I mentioned above, we know his fleet is already searching for the Silvius. I hope he lives up to his appearance as a wily, professional old dude.

2011-11-23, 20:32	Link #1112
pewpewpew Member Join Date: Nov 2011	Funny thing I hadn't noticed before now, because it hasn't been emphasised in the show itself: Both Vasant and Sadri seem to have pointy ears, whereas the other three commanders don't. You can see this if you look at the character concepts on the Animax homepage. Am I seeing things?

2011-11-23, 21:14	Link #1114
miketyson Senior Member Join Date: May 2011	stormwaltzing: wow, something you said just made something make a whole lot more sense to me. I guess I remembered that Dio would be the Prester Guild's new Meastro after the end of LE, but I hadn't figured that out. That makes everything we've seen make a lot more sense -- he's more at the level of someone like Sophia than someone like Tatiana (let alone Fam and Giselle). That explains what why he's free to goof around like he has been, and why there was that one deckhand saluting furiously when he walked past in ep 5.

2011-11-24, 08:01	Link #1118
azarhal Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	The Ades ships we see in the preview belong to Kaivan's fleet (the fleet are "color" coded). Sadri's fleet use the older model too.

2011-11-24, 09:07	Link #1119
pewpewpew Member Join Date: Nov 2011	Good catch on the colour scheme! Kayvān hasn't exactly covered himself in glory so far; his fleet was disordered by the Sky Pirates in the first episode, and he was duped by the faked scuttling of the Lasas, allowing it to attempt a kamikaze attack on Luscinia's flagship. Maybe now it's time for him to make a better impression.