2012-09-13, 12:59 | Link #122 | |
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i also think that madara is going to kill obito as soon as he gets what he wants.he was just using obito all this while. |
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2012-09-13, 14:53 | Link #123 |
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yea you guys are right... kishimoto is the worst writer of all time and only a 5 year old with 1 brain cell could possibly find this entertaining...
are you really that disheartened that your convoluted, random theories like kagami and rin and future sasuke and a conglomerate of all dead ninjas and whatever else would have been horrible didn't come true? if this outcome is so basic that everyone knew it, then why was I and a few others on this forum arguing for months and months about it being obito? the obito haters didn't say: yea it's going to be obito, but it would be sweet if it was izuna with rin's brain, kagami's eyes and the ramen guy's taint. most people flatly rejected the theory and called supporters of it idiots. now that it came true, you guys say that kishi is an idiot... it's getting really silly guys. if you hate everything so much at least wait for all the revelations to pass before you downgrade this manga to kindergarten reading |
2012-09-13, 15:10 | Link #124 |
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I don't speak for everyone else, but up until the reveal I did think of the notion as rather silly because it really didn't make sense at the time for reasons I explained numerous times. I do find it disappointing that he went down this route again. That doesn't mean I chalk it up to bad writing though. At least not yet. I'm willing to wait for the entire explanation.
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2012-09-13, 15:40 | Link #125 | |
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Ok First of all Obito falls into that category of dead ninja up until the last 2 chapters. Some people that didnt like the theory did say if is was going to be Obito it would be better if it was someone using his body. I had said that as well as others, so for you to sit there an say that all the "Obito haters" flat out rejected the possibility of it being Obito it is ridiculousness. In the past few chapter it has been downgraded from a good story line that had people guessing to a very predictable an ill say it rather poor writing from someone that is suppose to great. I my self is disappointed right now. It would take a good twist for me to hold the manga as it was. |
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2012-09-13, 18:28 | Link #126 | |
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- no its not...those ppl were harsh lol...i asked myself daily. why don't they see this?? (just kidding) - come on. really. two chapters messed up 600 chapters for you...if you don't like the direction the author took fine, cool, thats whats up...but poor writing, when we have yet to read the complete explanation...
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2012-09-13, 18:58 | Link #127 | |
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I don't think that Kyuubi knew who Obito was. Maybe when he felt his chakra he was feeling Madara because of some jutsu Madara cast on Obito. We still don't know the relationship between Obito and Madara. What we know is that Obito was presumed dead when Kakashi and Rin left the battlefield, Obito reappears wearing a mask and exhibiting powers that suggest he is Madara. He claims to be Madara or orchestrates a plan that is actually Madara's plan and now his secret identity has been revealed. He is Obito and we'll find out more as the story progresses.
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Naruto's primary readership age is 12. Tobi being Obito is simple yet complex enough for a 12 year old fan. Sadly, the vast majority of the forum goers are above the age of 12. Consequently, many disliked a twist that was so obvious from the start that another answer was sought. |
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2012-09-13, 19:38 | Link #129 | ||
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And I think a big problem was that the clues were very blatant from the beginning. It's almost as if Kishi realized that it was too obvious. The hairstyle. A mask that emphasizes a single eye on the side Obito's remaining Sharingan would be. The good-natured, clumsy personality (which Kishi quickly brushed off as an "act"). Instead of gradually dropping more subtle clues which would allow observant readers to piece together Tobi's true identity, it almost seems like Kishi had to backtrack and create a story that would throw everyone off track. The whole "Tobi is Madara" business made the earlier clues seemed like red herrings. People who still believed Tobi=Obito came off looking more like stubborn Obito fans than readers closely following the story. Then it turns out Tobi is Obito and it seems at once both extremely obvious and impossible Though I still find the revealed relationship between Kakashi's MS and Tobi's phasing powers a pretty well done clue that suggests Kishi's planned this for awhile... the timeline of events is really a tangled mess. Quote:
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2012-09-14, 00:06 | Link #131 | |
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Additionally, generally speaking I see Kishimoto as a good storyteller, not a good writer. I am interested in the story he is trying to tell, I just often find the actual story to be badly plotted, ill-paced, rife with inconsistencies and sometimes simply annoying. But, it is still entertaining. |
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2012-09-14, 00:46 | Link #132 | |
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just a small point, but mangas aren't like novels in that we don't really see any 'writing'. they are more like storyboards with dialogue so in a sense all we see is kishimoto's story-telling, not really his writing in the classical sense of it. so honestly i'm not exactly sure what you mean when you say that you like his story-telling and not his writing. i totally agree on the entertaining movie aspect you brought up but like you said it's much more the action and effects than the writing that is entertaining in those cases. i disagree with you to an extent on the matrix (i think the first one was really good writing actually ~keanu's performance aside), but the other films have bad writing and a bad story. its purely the action that drives them. i wouldn't put naruto on their level at all. naruto's story and writing is quite good as far as i am concerned. of course, we are all entitled to our opinion |
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2012-09-14, 04:22 | Link #134 |
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kk something i would like clarified.
Madara says that the naruto there is a bunshin, at first it was assumed that the real naruto was saving killer bee, but reading closer, it fully shows that the madara claims is a bunshin grows kyuubi tails when asking about the kages, then uses those tails to grab the stakes and hurl them at madara so it is also this proclaimed bunshin that saves killer bee, and then attacks madara's mirror fan (as if madara really needed a power up) and obliterates the bunshin so.... where's original flavor naruto at? *also judging by kakashi's reaction panel afterwards, it makes me wonder... what if the real naruto was kamui'd into the other dimension and it was the bunshin firing the bijuudama in which case naruto will fuse sage mode and perfect kyuubii mode, to activate rikudo mode and break out of the dimension, a la super buu scream style
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Screenshot of one of the panels, birdseye view: http://snag.gy/pIva2.jpg |
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2012-09-14, 09:33 | Link #136 | |
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it also explains how naruto attacked madara, i was actually impressed that he appparently had jumped from in front of killer bee, past gai and kakashi to attack madara in basically a split panel why can madara tell the difference between the original and the kb bunshin though? -__-
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2012-09-14, 10:28 | Link #138 | |
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As Kakashi didn't even realise that the Naruto in front of him is a clone, I would hazard a guess to say it was the Rinnegan but I feel this is not confirmed neither- 1. AFAIK, Nagato never mentions anything about it but feel free to correct me. Can't recall a moment when he's been duped by Naruto or saw through the clone. 2. In ch598, after Obito kamui-stakes the rasengan clone, he mutters "Just a kage bushin..." and he has a Rinnegan. Whether that comment was due to surprise or he was just saying (I think unlikely) is debatable. |
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2012-09-14, 10:54 | Link #139 |
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I personally believe that Madara is the mastermind behind everything. Zetsu IS the living spirit of the planet. Obito was either INJURED or teleported his "crushed" half to his pocket dimension hence he couldn't feel it. Madara then trained him in the ways of the Sharingan. Obito awakening his Mangekyo is probably the cause of Kakashi gaining his. Obito MAY be able to "see" through Kakashi's eye, but not likely. I think he knew Rin died in the way he can "locate anyone and teleport to their location." Obito was so distraught about Kabuto bringing Madara back, because that means he can't be revived through the Rinne-Tensei revival(Rinnegan technique Nagato used to revive Konoha) because his soul is already in use. Doing this forced Obito to protect Kabuto; because if he were killed, then the soul could never be released, only sealed.
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2012-09-14, 11:19 | Link #140 |
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Honestly, some of you naruto fanboys sound like whining crybabies now. So now theres a problem if Madara is able to differentiate between bushins? And there was another one who even asked why Madara wasn't impressed or commented on Naruto's mastery of the fox, I mean why should he be impressed with someone using the fox's power? He can make the fox roll over and beg for treats, who cares? So what if the sharingan and rinnegan weren't mentioned being able to differentiate between bushins, how do you know he's even using his eyes to sense it??
Seriously, between all the bullshit Naruto's been able to pull off lately, and the utterly ludicrous powerups, I can't believe people are still finding reasons to complain, especially when Madara is supposed to be a legendary ninja. |
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