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Now, activation mechanism of airbag. In real life, real airbags have sensors that sense deceleration coming from a side of the car starting to crumple and fires off the airbag. How do you plan to set off the airbag? And what's so wrong with my idea of it being all the action of a rapidly placed shield? There's no need for a clever activation mechanism because it is all manual, and the distance setting is free, allowing lots of flexibility in how you want to decelerate yourself. Quote:
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2008-03-24, 14:57 | Link #1062 |
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This is a distraction from the constant BJ discussion. I had a failed theory. I'm posting it mostly as a cautionary tale.
I had a theory on how it seemed that everyone was speaking the same language, except for the Devices, and how those were still understood even though they spoke a different language. It involved broadcast telepathy based on the language center of the brain. Basically, when a person speaks, the meaning is broadcast at the same time. This subtle telepathy would be less energy-intensive than true distance telepathy, would work if even only one of the speaker or listener was a mage, and would pass through magical displays. And the Intelligent Devices would be speaking a binary language that was interpreted as real language, with the English or German representing the odd source of the words. And it explained pretty much everything. Until I remembered Fate's video diaries she sent to Nanoha, Arisa, and Suzuka on normal non-telepathic compact discs. And that blew my theory up like a Starlight Breaker. So now we're left with people who really speak Japanese even though they're from different planets, and weapons that speak English and German but are understood by normal Japanese people. And I can't think of any other theory to explain it. Can anyone help me with this? |
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Now this is exactly why 'it's a choice made during production' is a valid excuse and avoids needles complication. Simply put: It's an anime, thus the target audience is Japanese and people will need to speak Japanese if the audience is expected to understand it. The various other languages were only added for the 'coolness' factor, perhaps even to hint at cultural backgrounds.
It's like asking why Caro picks apples in the manga even though they're on a vastly different planet, some things you'll just have to shrug and wing it. It avoids headaches. Back to the Barrier Jacket discussion, DVD screens just came in with the perfect proof I needed for my theories: A Nanoha-shaped dent in a warships hull. No Raising Heart activated Protection like it was sugested (but unproven) for Fate in A's 2, but purely the Barrier generated by Nanoha's Barrier Jacket. As it is now proven that Barrier Jackets are able to shield the wearer from impacts that shatter concrete, Fate surviving getting tossed through buildings can now also be atributed to Barrier Jackets instead of 'but we didn't see what happened, so it could have been a Defencer' theories. |
2008-03-25, 07:27 | Link #1064 | |
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I guess this makes sense - making the walls soft. Should any sudden collision at high speed occur in space (collision with uncharted asteroid?), the walls can almost act as cushions to people being thrown through the air 2) Procedural fault: You can't take the end result frame for it. It is like refuting the A's scene by going straight to the part where Fate picks herself out of the dirt. You are supposed to take a series of shots (frame by frame) centered around when Nanoha was thrown into the wall. 3) In fact, if we insist on just taking your frame alone, it actually supports MY theory. An active defense MUST have been involved. Look carefully at the shoulder cloth. Note that the hole actually goes in a contour around the bulge of the cloth. But a BJ complex and cloth is simply too soft for this (we know this from how they keep flapping around in mere wind), and thus, what will have happened is that the cloth will fold around and outwards instead of punching a neat hole in the wall as if it is a one-piece hard shell. Her hair is another thing that should have yielded to the wall, not acted like it is a one piece hard shell. Further, since we are talking the cuttable by windblast BJ, it is unlikely it'll have survived the collision so well - the sides that are rubbing against the wall should have torn. The only way to get that print is to put a hard plate of some sort behind Nanoha that includes the bulges ... an active defense. The other is that the wall is softer and weaker than the BJ (see 1) Last edited by arkhangelsk; 2008-03-25 at 07:57. Reason: Reformatted 1: Minor edits |
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How often must we say this? It is even stated that the gems on Nanoha's cloth generate Barriers, which you continously choose to ignore. It is those defenses that saved Nanoha. A Protection would have left a round shaped dent in the wall, not a figure hugging one, the only answer is that the Barrier generated by the Barrier Jacket is what saved her. It is not mere cloth that took the hit, I don't know why you keep insisting that cloth is the only thing a Barrier Jacket has, Barrier Jackets generate Field and Barriers, which can take hits normal cloth can't. Scenes like StrikerS 21, 06:37 (where Nanoha ups the powerfeed to her Barrier Jacket to allow her to fight in AMF conditions) show us that those defenses form around the body and cloth. The clothes flapping in the wind is simply done for animation purposes, it gives the feeling as if they are flying very fast. If the clothes wouldn't flap, the idea of speed is lost. Animation 101. And I'm still saying its impossible for a mere puff of wind from a passing bug to tear cloth, that is defying your precious laws of physics itself. Obviously there has to be something that allowed it to cut cloth, even with your logic. Last edited by Keroko; 2008-03-25 at 18:42. |
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There are plenty of reasons to assume there's active protection on the "cloth", but you're all forgetting something very important:
There exist such things as active materials. It is possible for something that normally appears as fabric to react differently depending on the forces applied to it - behaving like cloth when weak forces (such as wind, or leg movement) are applied, yet becoming as hard as steel when forces that could hurt the wearer are applied. This is something we can do to some degree today with non-newtonian liquids and similar materials, and is being considered for use with bulletproof vests; it'll be well within our abilities for nanostructured materials (consisting, perhaps, of mostly motors) within a few decades. I don't think midchilda would have any problem. You do eventually end up having to brake the user, though. Given that "magic" is involved the options are almost limitless, but I'd like to draw your attention to a certain scene early in A's where Nanoha decides it's a good idea to crack concrete with her civilian, un-barriered body. She's hurt, but she lives without even broken bones; none of us could say the same. Obviously magicians are just plain hard to break, though we won't know if it's the device or the magic until someone tries to kill Yuuno. |
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Let me put it this way. You see me, dressed in a T-shirt, get thrown into what looks like a brick wall and break it unharmed. Are you going to conclude that I cheated and made the thing out of styrofoam or are you going to assume my T-shirt has uber protective powers that saved me? Especially since I wore the same T-shirt that was cut by windblast last week? Quote:
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Barriers and Fields are magic, they are not plate armor. They don't restrict movement the way plate armor would. Quote:
And I did not say anything about 'author stupidity' or 'rule of cool' I was talking about animation techniques. There is a vast difference between the rule of cool and using animation techniques. Flapping cloth gives the idea of speed, just like how drawing lines on a dashing character in a manga makes it apears as if he runs faster, its the illusion of speed that is a requirement during flight scenes. Quote:
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2008-03-25, 20:07 | Link #1071 |
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Here's the thing, Fields are configured to block certain things. Clothes ripple, because in the air, or rather at least Mid Childa's ear is clean, breathable, and save so there's no need to create a field to protect them from the air, hence why the clothes ripple.
If they were going toxic gas, then the BJ will generate a field that will protect the mages from the gases that could kill them. Mind you, that's a brief explanation of it.
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The point of the analogy is the Primary Reality Reference Frame. When a mage is smashed into a Terran building, the Reality Reference Frame is the building because it is the least remarkable thing. When a mage is smashed into a Velkan Cradle wall, Reality Reference Frame becomes ... the human mage! Quote:
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Even if I am talking about the cloth, remember that my assessment of it being flimsy will only be possible because all the other layers are no help. For example, if I assess that Rein's BJ cloth has the toughness of a piece of tissue paper, I'll only be able to assess that because the barrier and field working together couldn't protect the cloth. If they can, I would never know that Rein's BJ cloth has the toughness of a piece of tissue paper because the others covered up the weakness. We can only observe the complex. Thus all we can rate is the complex. Quote:
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Incidentally, rethinking a bit on the whole issue... I remember seeing something in Stargate SG-1. Goa'uld personal energy shields stop hi-velocity bullets (well, as high velocity as an MP5 gets, but P90s are hi-velocity by our standards). And yet can be penetrated by arrows. I thus propose that the barrier system on the BJ is the same, in that it only activates to protect against high impact and bullets. Otherwise it's tuned to protect mildly against magical attack because that's what the Barriers and Shields are for. *rolls eyes at everyone* Take this man above's point into account, peoples. Non-barriered, non-jacketed Nanoha surviving such an impact...
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And Nanoha "cracked" concrete in early A's while in civilian clothing? I don't mind. It is all the more proof that some kind of active defense saved mages from all those impacts more than that thin BJ, just that ... Where is that Scene? As for G-energy shields. I hadn't done any StarGate, but has the possibility of the arrow being heavier and thus having more momentum been considered as an alternate possibility instead of a simplistic KE analysis to conclude that the shield has been moronically designed to block things without blocking all that is harmful? |
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Whaddya know. It works. For this part, at least.
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2008-03-26, 08:55 | Link #1078 |
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I think it's also got something to do with attacks. The ground isn't attacking you when you crash; it's more like you are attacking the ground, and theoretically all you need is to stop yourself then. Insert whatever you wish to explain how this works.
This might be less energetically requiring than defending an attack by another mage trying to kill you and so has premeditatedly charged his attack to better get through your defenses. Hence why Attack with intent > Jacket > Solid surface. It's just different energy levels.
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