Psycho-Pass - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

[klare]

a nice surprise to see more about the old team, a younger Gino and the trigger-happy Sasayama

it is a bit sad that in the end Yayoi gave up guitar/music, really wonder who is the bad guy, Sybil or the resistance?

[fatalblue]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Yayoi....I don't know what to think of her. Being an Enforcer is the right and smart move in the short term....but to actually agree with the sibyl? It looks like she actually supports the system.

I think Yayoi like most people living in the PP world hadn't experienced any real drawbacks or limits from being under the Sybil system. Whatever issues she could have with Sybil they weren't stopping her from doing what she loved & for all its worth Rina (an unapproved artist) either leaving little reason for her to join Rina in rebelling against the system worse since said rebellions could lead to people getting hurt.

[Elestia]

Originally Posted by Chiaki_chan

yes but he did his because this man had a hostage he was going to kill... he probably could not venture to attempt anything

The problem is that thanks to Kogami's intervention, he had effectively rescued the hostage. It's only then that Sasayama killed the man without a second thought.

Think of it this way. If Sasayama hadn't provoked the man and Kogami saved the hostage, the coefficient would probably warranted a stun effect. Therefore, Sasayama instigated a situation where he deliberately would kill a criminal as opposed to incapacitating him.

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by Elestia

Think of it this way. If Sasayama hadn't provoked the man and Kogami saved the hostage, the coefficient would probably warranted a stun effect. Therefore, Sasayama instigated a situation where he deliberately would kill a criminal as opposed to incapacitating him.

The way I saw it Sasayama couldn't get a very accurate reading because the perpetrator had the hostage right in front of him so the dominator was only picking up the hostages's coefficient, Sasayama couldn't get a reading for the guy until the hostage was out of the way.

[Elestia]

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

The way I saw it Sasayama couldn't get a very accurate reading because the perpetrator had the hostage right in front of him so the dominator was only picking up the hostages's coefficient, Sasayama couldn't get a reading for the guy until the hostage was out of the way.

Doubt it. Remember the previous episode when Akane's friend was being held hostage in the same way, but she could get a reading just fine.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by fatalblue

rebellions could lead to people getting hurt.

Well, the dominator hurts (and sometimes kills) people too, just because they're deemed latent criminals by Sibyl. At least rebelling might lead to change, which their society desperately needs. Hurting people on Sibyl's orders won't achieve anything. It just will make things worse on the long run.

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by Elestia

Doubt it. Remember the previous episode when Akane's friend was being held hostage in the same way, but she could get a reading just fine.

Yuki wasn't held hostage in the same manner. She was at least an arms length away from Shugo which he had done on propose so Akane would have a clear shot at him.

[Elestia]

Just looked back more closely on episode 11, but I'm afraid I'm right. When Sasayama was frustrated about the low coefficient for the guy, he observes at the same time that the victim's coefficient is reach near 100 as well.

If you watch the scene again you can clearly see that Sasayama took two readings; one from the criminal and one from the hostage. So, yeah the Dominator is a lot more reliable in analyzing targets in the environment than you give it credit for.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by fatalblue

I think Yayoi like most people living in the PP world hadn't experienced any real drawbacks or limits from being under the Sybil system. Whatever issues she could have with Sybil they weren't stopping her from doing what she loved & for all its worth Rina (an unapproved artist) either leaving little reason for her to join Rina in rebelling against the system worse since said rebellions could lead to people getting hurt.

Despite being thrown into rehab, which as she experienced, is useless and flat out told by someone from the Bureau later that many end up culled and no one ever comes out except by the Enforcer route?

That's some seriously docile thinking...and yet, Sibyl reads her as a latent (implying a lot about what the normal person is like)

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

The way I saw it Sasayama couldn't get a very accurate reading because the perpetrator had the hostage right in front of him so the dominator was only picking up the hostages's coefficient, Sasayama couldn't get a reading for the guy until the hostage was out of the way.

That might be the case but the fact was that he still aimed to max out their CCs ensuring the guy gets killed and endagering the hostage as well

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by Elestia

Just looked back more closely on episode 11, but I'm afraid I'm right. When Sasayama was frustrated about the low coefficient for the guy, he observes at the same time that the victim's coefficient is reach near 100 as well.

If you watch the scene again you can clearly see that Sasayama took two readings; one from the criminal and one from the hostage. So, yeah the Dominator is a lot more reliable in analyzing targets in the environment than you give it credit for.

You are indeed correct we had two reading going on at the same time but still the criminals CC only went up after he lost his hostage. Which tells me he only got really nerves without his insurance.

[Elestia]

We already know that the criminal's coefficient goes up when the target is agitated. Knowing this, Sasayama needed a way to raise the target's hue high enough so that his dominator can activate. Therefore, when the target starts ranting about how Sybil destroyed his music career, Sasayama found an opportunity to provoke the criminal by insulting the man's dream. Going by the flow of scene I'm more inclined to believe that Sasayama's taunting contributed a great deal more than Kogami's intervention of freeing the hostage.

However, Kogami probably thought that his was a really reckless idea as he was the one who refused the idea of "shooting everyone" just because their coefficient was high enough for them to be judged by the dominator. He even protested a bit when Sasayama provoked the target, knowing full well what Sasayama's goal was.

[Cosmic Eagle]

There was no need to raise the guy's CC given the situation. Just get the hostage out of the way

[jeroz]

I can see there be a series of flashback episodes dealing with each members of the team while building the world at the same time. Imagine the last episode of this "flashback arc" being about Masaoka and the very first introduction of the Sibyl system to the world, and after that we go straight into the climax and the ending.

[4Tran]

This seems to be a waste of an episode. There's nothing here that tells us much about the characters and there's not a whole lot of interesting events, themes or dialogue at play. Ostensibly for a Yayoi episode, we don't learn anything about her that couldn't have been handled in a 30-second flashback. The only exception is that we find out just how much of an ass Kougami is, but since the show doesn't acknowledge it, this may be completely inadvertent.

Overall, this episode should have built up the momentum of the previous one, but instead, it sucks the life out of the show.