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Perfect 10 | 52 | 48.60% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 37 | 34.58% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 10.28% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 4.67% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.93% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.93% | |
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2012-06-09, 11:39 | Link #282 | |
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We can't ever say if he would do this for anyone else given that he stays far away from his old home and goes straight to Aoi, Rin, and Sakura when he visits Fuyuki. So he'd have no way of telling any other child/person got the treatment, given how low key the Matou are and how completely seperate from the magic world he is at the moment. |
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2012-09-02, 04:58 | Link #285 |
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"Change of plans - I shall use a race to settle things with the girl!"
I have to admit, that made me smile a bit, but.. "You really are the renowned King of Knights, flower of the battlefield!" What...didn't you say you renounced her as a king because of her self-sacrifice? "He was never interested in his opponent's power or wealth." Mhm. But a scene ago, he was impressed enough by Saber's display of power/spirit (whatever the fuck you want to call winning a close race is) to reacknowledge her as the King of Knights. Oh whatever, we'll just ignore the obvious inconsistencies in character writing because Waver said so. "Without destroying or degrading them, he sought to conquer souls." ..... And yeah, Kariya's no good. Sorry about that, fans. :/ The misunderstanding trope is a horrible, horrible cliche that persists even in modern day writing...which is the true tragedy here, not the scene itself. Aoi rushes in thinking Kariya killed her husband, and instead of properly explaining himself, he gives away his last bit of sanity and humanity to silence her. I thought he retained some of his moral fiber even through his apparent insanity, but as he nears death, he's bound to break down... I just don't think Kariya was written as a character I could ever like. And lol, I predicted exactly what Kirei would say at the end of the episode. "What are your thoughts, Kirei?" "More wine." lol. Terrible episode, 3/10. Last edited by SJCrew; 2012-09-02 at 05:55. |
2012-09-02, 09:30 | Link #286 | |
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Especially when Kariya had already told her that he was fighting for Sakura, she immediately interrogated him as if he was fighting for the Makiri's desire for the Grail, which he wasn't, and she knew he wasn't. So while I will say he did the worst thing possible here, I give him the leeway of actually having brain damage. Aoi was described in the novel as being the perfect wife for a magus, because she believes and obeys unquestioningly, and that was not meant to be all positive. I doubt highly she would have listened to Kariya at this point, unless he dragged her to the Matous and she saw Sakura in the pit. It'd have to be that graphic and eye-opening. |
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2012-09-02, 10:26 | Link #287 | ||
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2012-09-06, 23:34 | Link #288 | ||||
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2012-09-07, 07:30 | Link #289 | |||
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I criticize Rider and Thess shows up - right on cue!
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As for the relationship between Saber and Rider, Gilgamesh laughed when Saber told them of her intentions, but it was only when she explained her methods of kingship that Rider became vocal. That is what he mentions time and time again throughout the series. Episode 14: "That light comes from her having taken her people's hopes all upon herself. Its brightness is what makes it tragic. ... It is too painful to look upon." Her wish is never mentioned again until the end of the series. Quote:
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I don't fully agree with his philosophies either. Ideally, there should be a compromise between Saber's ideals and Rider's ideals where people should not be expected to sacrifice themselves to ensure that the king gets what he wants and that a king should not have to sacrifice their humanity in order to rule. Rider was a great leader and people wanted to follow him. I get that. But his mindset of entitlement is a bit twisted. Gilgamesh was the perfect opponent to make him realize his folly. If Rider were to have survived that defeat, I'm betting it would have humbled him quite a bit. He's a wise man, so I'm pretty sure he knows what it means to be outmatched. Also, I'm very baffled as to why you guys feel the need to defend Kariya when you're basically restating what I said. "He's insane because of the worms." Uh...yeah? "I endured all of that for you and Sakrua" isn't the clearest indicator he doesn't recognize the woman he loves. "I'll never forgive you if you deny all that?" Clear and conscious [?] rebuke...of the very same Aoi he loves. With the horror on his face as she enters the church to Tokiomi's dead body...who could he have possibly mistaken her for? Lmao. But yeah, the jealousy, rage, and worms and stuff drive him to attempt murder. Spoiler:
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2012-09-07, 11:52 | Link #290 | |
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Spoiler for Light Novel - Act 14 - Kariya’s Church Scene:
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2012-09-07, 18:45 | Link #291 | |
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Going to send the Rider answers in a PM, because they contain spoilers?
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That was in season one. Of course jealousy and other factors played a role, but the man wasn't in a state to sip tea calmly. He was practically a zombie.
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2012-09-08, 07:06 | Link #292 | |
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Edit: The discussion could also be moved to this thread: Fate/Zero General Character Discussion Thread Last edited by chaos_alfa; 2012-09-08 at 16:28. |
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2012-09-08, 14:39 | Link #293 | |
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I didn't want to get banned because I was talking about the Fate route and spoiling a CD Drama. Sorry. Quote:
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2012-09-08, 16:30 | Link #294 | |
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