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They have the raw uranium in their backyard and mastered the enrichment technology. If they really want that bomb they get it. The last two wars against iran's proxies turned out to be bad PR for Israel. At the end of such a war (or many wars) however there will be no winners only loosers. There must be another way. Okay now something that is more on topic: Currently irian protesters are mourning the dead. The number of protesters seems to remain high. I think there is a good chance that the number of demonstrators will raise over the weekend. edit: I regard it as a good thing if the whole situation calms down a little bit. This will make demonstrations a whole lot safer. There need not be an overly violent approach to change the ruling system of a country (as former GDR citizen I see great potential in peacefull demonstrations).
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2009-06-18, 14:56 | Link #102 |
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the numbers of protestors might increase
but the protests themselves are growing less and less violent in nature the regime is getting things back under control, and they are already talking about starting to forbid farther protests in the coming days if after all this time you dont see millions floading the streets, i dont think your likely to see this later this whole thing is dying down edit: if things die down without making a real change then it was all for nothing and those who died did so for nothing
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2009-06-18, 17:30 | Link #104 |
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when israel bombed the reactor in iraq
people said it would be back up in a few years time it wasnt reactors cost money and material the've spent YEARS getting to the point where the would have a bomb in a matter of years earsing all that work would go a LONG way in canceling it out altogether
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2009-06-18, 22:34 | Link #106 |
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It is not because the regime is gaining the control, it is because the civil way is the best way to gather more people to their side and attract the attention of the people in the middle. That is why the government is trying to be more careful than usual, and why the religious leaders are acting more flexible (though I am guessing that may be partly because Ahmedinejad was not the primary choice for the majority of the mullahs). Currently, no one can guess what may happen if the government starts to use extreme force on them.
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2009-06-18, 22:51 | Link #107 |
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Aye, you've got a great percentage of the middle class, professionals, intellectuals, etc as well as many of the moderate clerics irritated enough to be marching. The best way to attract the rest of those classes is by showing you're being civil. The paramil thugs might as well have shot themselves and their masters in the foot rather than the protesters they killed.
Also, the Guard, the military, and the police are split on this --- one of the defeated candidates was a former commander of the Revolutionary Guard. At the moment, there's no guarantee for any side that if they pull the trigger for violence - it won't go down badly within those organizations.
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2009-06-18, 23:31 | Link #108 | |
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Their paramilitary is a scary group. 10+-million strong staunchly religious people who ran into minefields in front of tanks 30 years ago, and stick-waving mob now? I'm hoping America doesn't get a bunch of those in later years. Also, why is Israel even brought up in this? It's only tangentially related. Key places to look at: http://iran.twazzup.com #iran@irc.anonnet.org |
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2009-06-19, 05:20 | Link #109 |
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looks like we got an ultimatum
Spoiler for Khamenei to Mousavi: Support regime or be cast out:
now its just a question if musavi has the courage of his convictions
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2009-06-19, 11:52 | Link #110 | |
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Khamenei may have to "cast out" a third to a half of the clerics as well as Mousavi ... not unexpected but wow, this might turn into a spectacular mess. Khamenei appears to have stake his entire credibility with the masses on "nothing to see; move along". o.O
One of the other defeated candidates has also called for a new election: Quote:
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2009-06-20, 06:44 | Link #112 | |
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But one serious issue to note if that happens, the destabilisation of Iran can very quickly lead to the destruction of the Mideast. On the contrary, since Iran doesn't have many allies in their region, it could also be viewed by the local Muslims as "not our problem".
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2009-06-20, 07:50 | Link #113 |
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how would the destabilisation of Iran lead to the destruction of the mid east ?
it may lead to the collapse of iran's goverment and effect the country itself but what possible effect would it have on the rest of the middle east ? apart from leading to excessive partying from all moderates nations and the weakening of all extreimists forces (syria, hizballa, hamas) in the area that is ? edit: claims of a suicide bombing at the shrine of the ayatolla Khomeini http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8110582.stm Spoiler for the part of the bomber:
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2009-06-20, 17:55 | Link #115 |
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In general the deomnstrators don't appear to be non-violent on various videos. They build burning barricades and generally make it too easy for the Bajitis to find a pretext to fire into the crowds.
In some of the videos on youtube they show those Bajitis throwing rocks, which the demonstrants throw back at them. How stupid is that? Thats like giving them back their amunition. And they can use it as pretext to shoot at the now violent demonstrants. [Speculation] I could imagine however, that those radical demonstrators are Bajitis themselves, that want to give their armed comrades a pretext to fire at demonstrators. [/Speculation]
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We are witnessing an unprecedented moment in history due to the significance of the impact the internet is having on this event. This is the power of digital information in the hands of common people.
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I'm only passing this along because I agree with what they say at the end of the commentary... please let the world know. http://breakfornews.com/KarekarAveShooting090620.htm There's a link to where the video is. Go there at your own discretion... it's very disturbing.
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2009-06-20, 18:45 | Link #118 |
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make that at least 19 dead possibly more
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/...ion/index.html and i second that warning and that video WAS disturbing take note anyone who still hasnt watched it
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2009-06-20, 19:22 | Link #120 |
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and i for one would like to say how much i respect president barak obama for his swiftness and deceisiveness in expressing his total and complete support for the iranian people in their struggle to protect their freedom of expression and right to protest, against the opressive tyranical regime that they live under and in the face of the brutal opression they now face at the hands (and boots) of the regime
and for his call to the western world to unite in supporting these breave souls in their struggle, and to make sure that they know that they arent alone to let them know that freedom loving people from all around the world, are with them ... is what i would be saying if he did any of that i guess "yes we can" doesnt extend to people who cant vote for him
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